Should "Trials" be under "Activity Finder"

TheForsake

It seems that all other activities in the game are under Activity Finder, how come trials isn't under there?

nnargun

No

Because you'd never finish one if every joe could join just like that. It's a good thing that there is this hurdle of having to go to craglorn and look for a group.
Pugging vet DLC dungeons is a big risk already and there are only 3 variables.

White wabbit

No

I always thought that VDSA could be though

Hurtfan

Yes

Yes, you don't have to use this feature if you don't want to. Why not have it as an option?

White wabbit

No

nnargun wrote: »

Because you'd never finish one if every joe could join just like that. It's a good thing that there is this hurdle of having to go to craglorn and look for a group.
Pugging vet DLC dungeons is a big risk already and there are only 3 variables.

Lol yes 12 DD's queuing can only seeing it being a nightmare

Danksta

Yes

Sure, but cries for nerfs that come from activity finder users should be ignored. Trials shouldn't be balanced around PUGs.

Though after thinking about it, it just seems it would be mostly a waste of time.

Merlin13KAGL

Other

For normal, sure.

For Vet, not without some kind of rank/experience tier structure attached to those trying to join. You could probably have 12 people that have cleared content do so again as PuGs. If a large portion have not, it's likely going to be an exercise in frustration.

You'd have to have a penalty too, so people aren't dropping out 10 minutes into it.

It's not a bad idea in and of itself, I'm just not sure how successful it would be or how much use it would see.

acampbell

No

I don’t know if it would be worth it, it would be too difficult for most PUG’s I’d have thought anyways?

Cryptical

Yes

Yes.

Absolutely yes.

But it may have to treat groups differently than the existing group finder. If there’s a pre-made of 11 looking for a healer, and another pre-made of 11 looking for a tank, then that’s a problem.

Especially considering how long the queue is for a simple dungeon, that queue could be downright killer.

nnargun

No

Hurtfan wrote: »

Yes, you don't have to use this feature if you don't want to. Why not have it as an option?

People who want to but don't bring the requirements will be the problem. Not people who don't want to.

Ever been in a bad trial pug? Even the Craglorn trials can get very frustrating very quickly if half of the group expects being carried spamming LAs.

Hurtfan

Yes

nnargun wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Yes, you don't have to use this feature if you don't want to. Why not have it as an option?

People who want to but don't bring the requirements will be the problem. Not people who don't want to.

Ever been in a bad trial pug? Even the Craglorn trials can get very frustrating very quickly if half of the group expects being carried spamming LAs.

People know the risks, and yes, we all have been in bad PUGs. It's not the end of the world.

Cryptical

Yes

Maybe the reward for going in a random trial solo could be something other than xp. Xp gets boring once you’ve gotten beyond the next expected champ point raise. People currently above 780 are looking at already being max capacity even if they don’t play at all until the wolf dlc later this year.

A completion there would be no joke. Maybe double final reward coffer?

And a few new achievements. Like, get 25 completes of a random solo and you get a Trial Mercenary title. For 50 you get Trial Gladiator. For 100, Trial Colliseum Master.

Merlin13KAGL

Hurtfan wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Yes, you don't have to use this feature if you don't want to. Why not have it as an option?

People who want to but don't bring the requirements will be the problem. Not people who don't want to.

Ever been in a bad trial pug? Even the Craglorn trials can get very frustrating very quickly if half of the group expects being carried spamming LAs.

People know the risks, and yes, we all have been in bad PUGs. It's not the end of the world.

The ones with experience know the risks. The ones getting ready to cause the impending train wreck are quite oblivious, I assure you.

nnargun

No

Hurtfan wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Yes, you don't have to use this feature if you don't want to. Why not have it as an option?

People who want to but don't bring the requirements will be the problem. Not people who don't want to.

Ever been in a bad trial pug? Even the Craglorn trials can get very frustrating very quickly if half of the group expects being carried spamming LAs.

People know the risks, and yes, we all have been in bad PUG. It's not the end of the world.

I think you are naive.

I firmly believe at least half of the pugs would fail...on normal. Even pugs made of players actively looking in craglorn fail sometimes. What makes you think you'd have any chance if suddenly any scrub could queue by just pressing a button? Absolutely no way this could work. And if you think this could work for vet you are out of your mind. You sure you use group finder very often?^^

OutLaw_Nynx

No

Hell no

Cryptical

Yes

nnargun wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Yes, you don't have to use this feature if you don't want to. Why not have it as an option?

People who want to but don't bring the requirements will be the problem. Not people who don't want to.

Ever been in a bad trial pug? Even the Craglorn trials can get very frustrating very quickly if half of the group expects being carried spamming LAs.

People know the risks, and yes, we all have been in bad PUG. It's not the end of the world.

I think you are naive.

I firmly believe at least half of the pugs would fail...on normal. Even pugs made of players actively looking in craglorn fail sometimes. What makes you think you'd have any chance if suddenly any scrub could queue by just pressing a button? Absolutely no way this could work. And if you think this could work for vet you are out of your mind. You sure you use group finder very often?^^

I use group finder often. All of my zaan heads, 1heavy / 3 medium / 1 light, came from vet pugs.

At the very least, it would broaden some people’s horizons.

profundidob16_ESO

Yes

yes but only on normal I suppose

nnargun

No

The feature would be abandonded by any half decent player for obvious reasons. It's easy enough to find a group in Craglorn and the fraction of total scrubs will be much smaller there.

valeriiya

Yes

Yes. If people want try to get through a trial with a group of randoms, why not let them.

KittyHazWares

No

No for vet trials.
Yes for normal.

Hurtfan

Yes

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Yes, you don't have to use this feature if you don't want to. Why not have it as an option?

People who want to but don't bring the requirements will be the problem. Not people who don't want to.

Ever been in a bad trial pug? Even the Craglorn trials can get very frustrating very quickly if half of the group expects being carried spamming LAs.

People know the risks, and yes, we all have been in bad PUGs. It's not the end of the world.

The ones with experience know the risks. The ones getting ready to cause the impending train wreck are quite oblivious, I assure you.

Ignorance is bliss. And someone may make a friend or 2 out of it and at least get a taste of what Trials are all about. Not everyone is a social butterfly, some people are shy and have a hard time putting groups together, joining a guild or whatever.

And, why are you worried about it? You wouldn't use this feature.

Integral1900

Yes

Yes, but you would have to create a seperate version for pugs because no way in heck is a 12 player pug going to get through normal maw, you would have to bring down the nerf bat good and hard

redshirt_49

Yes

The only argument against it is that PUGs can be horrible, but if you're afraid of that : don't pug. After all vet dungeon pugs are a thing and it hasn't stopped people from putting premades together. Nor have vet dungeons been hit with any nerf hammers.

Include it for the shy people. The PUG naysayers don't have to use it.

AlnilamE

Yes

Cryptical wrote: »

Maybe the reward for going in a random trial solo could be something other than xp. Xp gets boring once you’ve gotten beyond the next expected champ point raise. People currently above 780 are looking at already being max capacity even if they don’t play at all until the wolf dlc later this year.

A completion there would be no joke. Maybe double final reward coffer?

And a few new achievements. Like, get 25 completes of a random solo and you get a Trial Mercenary title. For 50 you get Trial Gladiator. For 100, Trial Colliseum Master.

I don't think the OP is suggesting a "random trial" activity, but rather that you can use the group finder for a specific trial you want to run.

josiahva

Yes

Yes please...I think this is the first step to making trials less elitist. Sure...there will be many people unable to complete them the first time they queue...just like happens with EVERY vet DLC dungeon...but eventually, as people get practice with the fights, the completion rate will increase until like now...when going into a vet DLC dungeon via the group finder I can complete it 80% of the time.

Look at it another way: there is NO REASON not to have this option. If you are afraid of not completing it with a pug...simply dont use the group finder...go with a pre-made. There is nothing wrong with having options.

josiahva

Yes

Integral1900 wrote: »

Yes, but you would have to create a seperate version for pugs because no way in heck is a 12 player pug going to get through normal maw, you would have to bring down the nerf bat good and hard

not true....you just treat it like you treat any vet DLC dungeon...when you get to a boss(twins) you simply explain the relevant mechanics beforehand. Explaining the mechanics on the twins is a lot simpler than explaining the mechanics on say the treeminder in vROM after all, it would consist of: Stay by your tank, don't cross the room as long as both bosses are up.

idk

Yes

There is already a thread on this subject this week. Since the OP of this thread does not even get into the topic I suggest people use the original thread this week instead of this one The poll here is worthless, entertainment value, as any forum poll is.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5224198#Comment_5224198

ezio45

No

Hurtfan wrote: »

Yes, you don't have to use this feature if you don't want to. Why not have it as an option?

because it will frustrate and breed hostility?

trials arnt like dungeons and ppl cant even get a consistent group to do that, normal trials maybe but vet nah

Hurtfan

Yes

ezio45 wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Yes, you don't have to use this feature if you don't want to. Why not have it as an option?

because it will frustrate and breed hostility?

trials arnt like dungeons and ppl cant even get a consistent group to do that, normal trials maybe but vet nah

What kind of people do you PUG with? lol

It won't affect your gameplay negatively, and I agree, there will be train wrecks but dang, it's just a game.

Nifty2g

No

No because you need to communicate via mic on what people are doing and what to attack.

How can healers talk to their group, how can tanks tell people what to focus.

Think about it

Kel

Yes

I see alot of "pugs fail" as a reason to say no, while seeing alot of suggestions to just ask in Craglorn. But, that's also a pug.
All this tool would do is allow you to get into a pug without having to go to a zone and spam chat. A pug is a pug, there's no guarantee weather that's using a tool or spamming chat. It's just a convenience, nothing more.
So yes, for normal trials, I don't see the difference between hitting a button to queue or screaming in chat.
All the reasons for "no" already happen now, there would be literally no other difference except for convenience.
The only other argument I see against it comes down to "new players might try trials" and that just seems silly. Sure, all new players won't be top tier from jump, but they don't need to be....it's a normal pug, not some leaderboard run...