MAGDK unkillable now?

Gprime31

argonian magdk...i like this setup this patch unkilllable and unlimited sustain... working as intended...lmao

SnowTheMadDog

ok

jaime1982

Sure

Waffennacht

Didn't know builds had limited sustain as is

Sload no good?

Curious as to why specifically mDK when any class can use infused potion combo with Argonian?

casparian

It's not a class thing, it's an Argonian thing. Why ZOS didn't nerf that potion passive months ago is beyond me.

chris211

Gprime31 wrote: »

argonian magdk...i like this setup this patch unkilllable and unlimited sustain... working as intended...lmao

just use drain poisons grouped with bleeds and gg they dead

CatchMeTrolling

casparian wrote: »

It's not a class thing, it's an Argonian thing. Why ZOS didn't nerf that potion passive months ago is beyond me.

It doesn’t need to be nerfed, plus it was already nerfed.

Lexxypwns

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

IZZEFlameLash

Man, mDK QQ is still a thing. Argonian passive don't need nerf either. What needs nerf is how Infused jewelries play with potion enchants. Just adjust the enchant so that it cannot give this high of uptime. Or make it so that it cannot be triple tapped for that particular enchant. Infused on jewelry is kinda bad choice on devs' part. Can be very imbalanced like this.

Metemsycosis

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Every magicka class has an answer for defile. Reflective plates grants freedom. Psijic skill creates expedition. They have no execute. That is why magicka dks die. They can't secure kills without an ulti. Most challenging class atm. Imo.

IZZEFlameLash

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Every magicka class has an answer for defile. Reflective plates grants freedom. Psijic skill creates expedition. They have no execute. That is why magicka dks die. They can't secure kills without an ulti. Most challenging class atm. Imo.

MDK really don't have answer to Major Defile. Major Mending's 25% is miniscule because DB heals are miniscule unless you are in execution range and still get overpowered by the defile even without Befoul CP points. 3k cost heal that doesn't exactly heal when defiled along with usual DoTs. This is what makes DKs easy to kill. Reflective Plate does not do much at all because snare is readily reapplied and defile does not get reflected. Psijic's speed buff is as useful as Chain. A.k.a, not so much.

Nemeliom

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Not so sure. Check this:
https://youtu.be/fWD90P1JG-8

Minalan

Nemeliom wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Not so sure. Check this:
https://youtu.be/fWD90P1JG-8

Gotta love that zaan proc pressure!

IZZEFlameLash

Nemeliom wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Not so sure. Check this:
https://youtu.be/fWD90P1JG-8

Tbh, I didn't see anything impressive there. But nice potatoes. I would want these potatoes for myself. Not to take away any credits or anything but this is nothing new. Can be done on other class much better like that 1v6 I had on my new Stamden that I had no idea on how to play. Didn't make it to recording though. I have better use for my hdd than to record this game.

MaximillianDiE

Minalan wrote: »

Nemeliom wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Not so sure. Check this:
https://youtu.be/fWD90P1JG-8

Gotta love that zaan proc pressure!

Zaan - making potoatoes great 2018

ak_pvp

You can make some really tanky HDK builds. Not quite mag/stam, 40k health, hots etc conventionally unkillable and can tank a few players off. But to an average MDK, bleeds, defiles and sloads fks them hard, no alt defense to rely on besides 1) Being tanky 2) Shields which synergise horribly.

Lexxypwns

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Every magicka class has an answer for defile. Reflective plates grants freedom. Psijic skill creates expedition. They have no execute. That is why magicka dks die. They can't secure kills without an ulti. Most challenging class atm. Imo.

Almost none of this is actually relavent to how mDK actually survives.

Nemeliom wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Not so sure. Check this:
https://youtu.be/fWD90P1JG-8

Sweet straw man, but that’s all it is

IZZEFlameLash

ak_pvp wrote: »

You can make some really tanky HDK builds. Not quite mag/stam, 40k health, hots etc conventionally unkillable and can tank a few players off. But to an average MDK, bleeds, defiles and sloads fks them hard, no alt defense to rely on besides 1) Being tanky 2) Shields which synergise horribly.

Even 40k health knights get melted these days. Not an impossible task for those with defiles. I've taken a 45k health out personally with Stamblade. Keeping the defile up was the key. So... yeah imo, not even healthknights can stay for that long unlike how they used to be.

UppGRAYxDD

Is it just me that giggles inside everytime someone calls their build "unkillable" or "god tier"?

IZZEFlameLash

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Is it just me that giggles inside everytime someone calls their build "unkillable" or "god tier"?

Just about every console big egomaniacs' videos trying to sell common knowledge builds.

Metemsycosis

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Every magicka class has an answer for defile. Reflective plates grants freedom. Psijic skill creates expedition. They have no execute. That is why magicka dks die. They can't secure kills without an ulti. Most challenging class atm. Imo.

Almost none of this is actually relavent to how mDK actually survives.

Nemeliom wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Not so sure. Check this:
https://youtu.be/fWD90P1JG-8

Sweet straw man, but that’s all it is

As usual, you're right, lexxy

(Tongue -in-cheek):

magicka dk class skills are irrelevant to magicka dk survival. likewise, alliance war skills are irrelevant to alliance war survival.

(Btw youre misusing the term straw man. it's not a straw man if it's an actual example. In logic, the video linked is called illustrative example.)

Ophion

Gprime31 wrote: »

argonian magdk...i like this setup this patch unkilllable and unlimited sustain... working as intended...lmao

Interested way of making a post. Probably tabbing out of the game out of clear anger and frustration, making a post on the forum, calming down mid sentence and trying to play it off with sarcasm. Well played!

Dredlord

Metemsycosis wrote: »

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Every magicka class has an answer for defile. Reflective plates grants freedom. Psijic skill creates expedition. They have no execute. That is why magicka dks die. They can't secure kills without an ulti. Most challenging class atm. Imo.

Almost none of this is actually relavent to how mDK actually survives.

Nemeliom wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Not so sure. Check this:
https://youtu.be/fWD90P1JG-8

Sweet straw man, but that’s all it is

As usual, you're right, lexxy

(Tongue -in-cheek):

magicka dk class skills are irrelevant to magicka dk survival. likewise, alliance war skills are irrelevant to alliance war survival.

(Btw youre misusing the term straw man. it's not a straw man if it's an actual example. In logic, the video linked is called illustrative example.)

Lexxypwned...

ak_pvp

Metemsycosis wrote: »

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Every magicka class has an answer for defile. Reflective plates grants freedom. Psijic skill creates expedition. They have no execute. That is why magicka dks die. They can't secure kills without an ulti. Most challenging class atm. Imo.

Almost none of this is actually relavent to how mDK actually survives.

Nemeliom wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Not so sure. Check this:
https://youtu.be/fWD90P1JG-8

Sweet straw man, but that’s all it is

As usual, you're right, lexxy

(Tongue -in-cheek):

magicka dk class skills are irrelevant to magicka dk survival. likewise, alliance war skills are irrelevant to alliance war survival.

(Btw youre misusing the term straw man. it's not a straw man if it's an actual example. In logic, the video linked is called illustrative example.)

I think they were going about how the DK skills don't fare at all in the current snares/bleed/defile meta, and the comment about answer for defile isn't exactly true, sorcs have an extra shield for defiles and bleeds, NBs can cloak bleeds, and avoid defiles in cloak, templar has purge, warden is in a similar boat, but with better mitigation and healing. DK has no class defense for it.

As for mobility, wings is bad, and psijic isn't a DK skill, and its also kind of mediocre.

None of those skills are relevant to how DK survives in the meta we are talking about. Now, if you wanted actual examples, cauterize serves as a good cheap pseudo hot, DKs healing amps are decent, and power lash/embers has a decent heal whilst damaging portion.

None of that helps with 5k dps of bleeds and sloads on you but eh.

Lexxypwns

Metemsycosis wrote: »

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Every magicka class has an answer for defile. Reflective plates grants freedom. Psijic skill creates expedition. They have no execute. That is why magicka dks die. They can't secure kills without an ulti. Most challenging class atm. Imo.

Almost none of this is actually relavent to how mDK actually survives.

Nemeliom wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Not so sure. Check this:
https://youtu.be/fWD90P1JG-8

Sweet straw man, but that’s all it is

As usual, you're right, lexxy

(Tongue -in-cheek):

magicka dk class skills are irrelevant to magicka dk survival. likewise, alliance war skills are irrelevant to alliance war survival.

(Btw youre misusing the term straw man. it's not a straw man if it's an actual example. In logic, the video linked is called illustrative example.)

Because someone kills potatoes doesn’t mean his build is unkillable. Constructing a logical fallacy whereby this one instance which isn’t typical demonstrates that a build cannot be killed is very much a straw man. Video was lit tho

Snare purge is of arguable value without an immunity attached, no? You’re asserting basically the same end point as me while arguing the process I arrived at the conclusion with.

I’m not really sure why you’re so salty, probably running your snowflake build keeps getting you rekt and you’re taking it out here.

In fact you’ve provided 0 evidence to counter my argument that mDK cannot counter Sload+Defile and definitely can’t counter sload+defile+bleeds. Healing ward is a soft counter but scales poorly when outnumbered so you need another answer, you cannot reposition because you have no snare immunity.

Usually resulting to sarcasm and 0 facts speaks for itself.

@Dredlord ily

Metemsycosis

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Every magicka class has an answer for defile. Reflective plates grants freedom. Psijic skill creates expedition. They have no execute. That is why magicka dks die. They can't secure kills without an ulti. Most challenging class atm. Imo.

Almost none of this is actually relavent to how mDK actually survives.

Nemeliom wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Not so sure. Check this:
https://youtu.be/fWD90P1JG-8

Sweet straw man, but that’s all it is

As usual, you're right, lexxy

(Tongue -in-cheek):

magicka dk class skills are irrelevant to magicka dk survival. likewise, alliance war skills are irrelevant to alliance war survival.

(Btw youre misusing the term straw man. it's not a straw man if it's an actual example. In logic, the video linked is called illustrative example.)

Because someone kills potatoes doesn’t mean his build is unkillable. Constructing a logical fallacy whereby this one instance which isn’t typical demonstrates that a build cannot be killed is very much a straw man. Video was lit tho

Snare purge is of arguable value without an immunity attached, no? You’re asserting basically the same end point as me while arguing the process I arrived at the conclusion with.

I’m not really sure why you’re so salty, probably running your snowflake build keeps getting you rekt and you’re taking it out here.

In fact you’ve provided 0 evidence to counter my argument that mDK cannot counter Sload+Defile and definitely can’t counter sload+defile+bleeds. Healing ward is a soft counter but scales poorly when outnumbered so you need another answer, you cannot reposition because you have no snare immunity

The oppostie of salty mate. Lol I do well and my builds might be snowflaky (?). No small thanks to you actually, though, for having shared as much info as you have .

But if say there were more than one video you'd agree those vids would be examples rather than straw men, was my point. Thesis and example. Simple stuff. Saying, oo oo, straw man is a little dismissive. Another way of saying, a bad example or insufficient example isn't a straw man either.

Last I checked mobility was never part of the kit. Snare removal can be useful, it's up to the player to make use of it. And purge works it just does.

Lexxypwns

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Every magicka class has an answer for defile. Reflective plates grants freedom. Psijic skill creates expedition. They have no execute. That is why magicka dks die. They can't secure kills without an ulti. Most challenging class atm. Imo.

Almost none of this is actually relavent to how mDK actually survives.

Nemeliom wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Mag DK is arguably the most killable magika spec. It has 0 answer for Major Defile, gets rekt by Sloads and doesn’t have the mobility to kite burst.

Edit: unless you’re talking about full tank specs

Not so sure. Check this:
https://youtu.be/fWD90P1JG-8

Sweet straw man, but that’s all it is

As usual, you're right, lexxy

(Tongue -in-cheek):

magicka dk class skills are irrelevant to magicka dk survival. likewise, alliance war skills are irrelevant to alliance war survival.

(Btw youre misusing the term straw man. it's not a straw man if it's an actual example. In logic, the video linked is called illustrative example.)

Because someone kills potatoes doesn’t mean his build is unkillable. Constructing a logical fallacy whereby this one instance which isn’t typical demonstrates that a build cannot be killed is very much a straw man. Video was lit tho

Snare purge is of arguable value without an immunity attached, no? You’re asserting basically the same end point as me while arguing the process I arrived at the conclusion with.

I’m not really sure why you’re so salty, probably running your snowflake build keeps getting you rekt and you’re taking it out here.

In fact you’ve provided 0 evidence to counter my argument that mDK cannot counter Sload+Defile and definitely can’t counter sload+defile+bleeds. Healing ward is a soft counter but scales poorly when outnumbered so you need another answer, you cannot reposition because you have no snare immunity

The oppostie of salty mate. Lol I do well and my builds might be snowflaky (?). No small thanks to you actually, though, for having shared as much info as you have .

But if say there were more than one video you'd agree those vids would be examples rather than straw men, was my point. Thesis and example. Simple stuff. Saying, oo oo, straw man is a little dismissive. Another way of saying, a bad example or insufficient example isn't a straw man either.

Last I checked mobility was never part of the kit. Snare removal can be useful, it's up to the player to make use of it. And purge , it just does.

Mobility was less important when there was less unavoidable damage, now any scrub with Masters DW and Sload or Sload and Reverb can just put crazy pressure out. Two scrubs with Sload and one of them has reverb and you basically have to burn them before they get you on your back foot or it’s GG. Being able to Streak, Shadow Image, Cloak, and Purge debuffs are all viable counters because they can buy you a relief from that pressure. Magika DK simply can’t ever relieve pressure and therefore has less tools to deal with the meta specs.

I’m not denying mDK can be tanky, but nothing is unkillable and unless you’re building full tank stam is generally moreso than magika.

If you told me there were multiple videos showing a non-tank mDK being unkillable against decent players then yes, obviously that’s evidence. I saw a video of a 6’10 4th grader today and he was dunking on an 8’ rim without really jumping, I couldn’t reasonably argue that 4th graders should play on 10’ rims because of that. This video is a 6’10 4th grader

Metemsycosis

I didn't appreciate the OPs hyperbole either. I am just not sure this video is like a 6'10" 4th grader running the basketball courts. I still maintain that magdk has a great defensive kit but has trouble killing people and therefore falls behind in fights they were otherwise ahead in. My opinion.

IZZEFlameLash

You know, I played around with wings, reflect is nice and all but snare cleanse is really not great. DKs are not immorts as they once was when dynamic ult gen was a thing. You should've seen them. Hell, I feel that it was more balanced then than now. And I played my scrub sorc during that DK era as that was the only character I had. But anycase, DK tanks are only really a thing with stamina and even that is now bad in PvP where players are going to be smarter than braindead PvE AI mobs hitting you with attack intervals. Hardly immortal as others and I said.

WaltherCarraway

magDK unkillable

ok

ak_pvp

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

You know, I played around with wings, reflect is nice and all but snare cleanse is really not great. DKs are not immorts as they once was when dynamic ult gen was a thing. You should've seen them. Hell, I feel that it was more balanced then than now. And I played my scrub sorc during that DK era as that was the only character I had. But anycase, DK tanks are only really a thing with stamina and even that is now bad in PvP where players are going to be smarter than braindead PvE AI mobs hitting you with attack intervals. Hardly immortal as others and I said.

DK honestly got worse this patch, not directly, but defenses aren't up with the power creep, bleed/sloads are everywhere, zergsorcs are problematic and it all sux.

Last patch I thought I hit a nice point where I could be decently tanky, but put out ok damage, now I spend most of my time trying to live vs 5k/s bleeds, sloads and POTLs whilst evading BS CCs.

The dragonknight playstyle is dead. You just have discount magblades/sorcs.