Why was it a good idea to add sloads?

Knowledge

I know a lot of people complain about it and there are others that know how to counter it. However, the majority of players believes sloads is "cancerous" and is broken. It makes PVP effortless for some classes as they can rely on several proc sets to kill their enemy by just light attacking.

The rationale behind adding a set like this is beyond me.

However, I can tell you why it's a bad idea to add a set like this.

• The PVP community is already in decline.
• Battlegrounds "for everyone" was added to combat the PVP population decline.
• Sloads deters people from wanting to PVP and upsets them.
• Allowing this set to continue as-is, without a nerf, is going to cause people to not PVP or outright quit (some have).
• The only true way to deal with Sloads in PVP adds another hurdle for getting involved in PVP which is needing a group with a healer.
• Apart from requiring a premade in Battlegrounds, with a healer, the only alternative is to also run Sloads.
• Everyone running sloads makes for a very uninteresting PVP experience with light-attacking being the only needed skill in most cases (zaan, sloads, whatever other proc set).
• It makes little sense to try to encourage more people to PVP by opening up battlegrounds and then make the PVP environment upsetting.

Derra

It wasn´t.

chris211

Knowledge wrote: »

I know a lot of people complain about it and there are others that know how to counter it. However, the majority of players believes sloads is "cancerous" and is broken. It makes PVP effortless for some classes as they can rely on several proc sets to kill their enemy by just light attacking.

The rationale behind adding a set like this is beyond me.

However, I can tell you why it's a bad idea to add a set like this.

• The PVP community is already in decline.
• Battlegrounds "for everyone" was added to combat the PVP population decline.
• Sloads deters people from wanting to PVP and upsets them.
• Allowing this set to continue as-is, without a nerf, is going to cause people to not PVP or outright quit (some have).
• The only true way to deal with Sloads in PVP adds another hurdle for getting involved in PVP which is needing a group with a healer.
• Apart from requiring a premade in Battlegrounds, with a healer, the only alternative is to also run Sloads.
• Everyone running sloads makes for a very uninteresting PVP experience with light-attacking being the only needed skill in most cases (zaan, sloads, whatever other proc set).
• It makes little sense to try to encourage more people to PVP by opening up battlegrounds and then make the PVP environment upsetting.

no sets like sloads lower the skill ceiling

White wabbit

They added it to make the game more enjoyable, I'm haven't used it yet but have guild mates that love it
So ZOS you put the set in so don't even think about nerfing it

ChunkyCat

Sload topics are spreading faster than Sloads damage in a battleground match.

amir412

Derra wrote: »

It wasn´t.

Honeslty at this point, i truly think they are trying to kill cyrodill slowly and eventually get rid of it.
They started with Zaan, and now this set... and i bet more of those will keep coming.

VaranisArano

It was an excellent idea from the part of the marketing team who thought "What can we add to the game to make PVPers buy an expansion that is otherwise mostly PVE oriented?"

Because if PVPers thought they could get away with not using jewelry crafting or the Psijic Order, its kinda hard to escape the current dominance of Sload's as a proc set.

ZOS has done this before with Earthgore and Zaan, making a proc set that's fantastic in PVP so all the PVPers have a reason to buy the content and that wont get nerfed until a couple updates later when the sales of the content drop off.

Its not a healthy move for PVP, but its a healthy move for ZOS' sales, and I think we know which one is more important at this point.

Maulkin

VaranisArano wrote: »

It was an excellent idea from the part of the marketing team who thought "What can we add to the game to make PVPers buy an expansion that is otherwise mostly PVE oriented?"

Then it's a terrible idea, because it convinced none of them to buy it. You can craft Sloads for someone else. I've crafted it for plenty of friends without the chapter.

I think in his own special way Wrobel thought it was a good idea and it would help the game balance.

Ectheliontnacil

White wabbit wrote: »

They added it to make the game more enjoyable, I'm haven't used it yet but have guild mates that love it
So ZOS you put the set in so don't even think about nerfing it

Pls tell me this is a troll!

Maryal

Maybe it's part of a secrete experiment involving the de-evolution of mankind, you know, some sort of dark psychological experiment and we are the guinea pigs. Yea, it's probably that.

White wabbit

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

They added it to make the game more enjoyable, I'm haven't used it yet but have guild mates that love it
So ZOS you put the set in so don't even think about nerfing it

Pls tell me this is a troll!

Trolls live under bridges I do not

Thogard

Raising the floor and lowering the ceiling was the intention of the set. The design was to make it easier for less skilled players to kill those with more skill.

The result, though, was that group composition and coordinated teamwork became far more important. Stacking sloads is an extremely effective mechanic for killing people. Purify synergy is on a 20s cooldown..

Hard to be coordinated if you’re a casual player. Even if you’re really talented, casual play will make it hard for you to get a consistent group... so while it might be Easier to be effective, this patch kills the game for the casual yet talented players who don’t run in organized groups

RighteousBacon

White wabbit wrote: »

They added it to make the game more enjoyable, I'm haven't used it yet but have guild mates that love it
So ZOS you put the set in so don't even think about nerfing it

Your guild mates probably like it because it’s overperforming and making there group of zerglings kill solo players even faster

DeadlyRecluse

It's hard to argue that the set doesn't raise the floor.

If I'm in a Battlegrounds with 3 randoms, and I've got a light-attack bow spammer, I guess I do want him to be wearing Sloads. Then he's at least contributing.

The issues with the set are myriad and well-enumerated in various threads at this point, but I wouldn't anticipate a nerf to it in the near future. C'est la vie.

Biro123

I think its time we had another thread about sloads. I feel there aren't enough yet.

DeadlyRecluse

Biro123 wrote: »

I think its time we had another thread about sloads. I feel there aren't enough yet.

Interest in the topic is exsloading.

White wabbit

RighteousBacon wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

They added it to make the game more enjoyable, I'm haven't used it yet but have guild mates that love it
So ZOS you put the set in so don't even think about nerfing it

Your guild mates probably like it because it’s overperforming and making there group of zerglings kill solo players even faster

Lol couldn't be farther from the truth, not everyone on here zergs some like solo or 2-4 man groups but hey you keep thinking what you want

Lexxypwns

To sell boxes. If even a couple of people buy summerset to get access to the sload crafting station then it’s a win for them

Waffennacht

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I think its time we had another thread about sloads. I feel there aren't enough yet.

Interest in the topic is exsloading.

Like 2 months late

Qbiken

Do I get a price if I ironically say yes and go against the stream?

Vaoh

Just let ZOS nerf it already so we can forget the Devs making this game were incompetent enough to let this go Live in the first place.

Next patch they either will or won’t nerf it. Simple as that. Enough threads on Sloads.

Grimlok_S

Thogard wrote: »

, this patch kills the game for the casual yet talented players who don’t run in organized groups

Can confirm..
One patch after another, it is increasingly difficult to be effective while solo.

Thogard

White wabbit wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

They added it to make the game more enjoyable, I'm haven't used it yet but have guild mates that love it
So ZOS you put the set in so don't even think about nerfing it

Your guild mates probably like it because it’s overperforming and making there group of zerglings kill solo players even faster

Lol couldn't be farther from the truth, not everyone on here zergs some like solo or 2-4 man groups but hey you keep thinking what you want

Sloads is a single target dmg set. You can’t have it proc on two people at the same time. Your buddies might be running in 2-4 man groups, but if they were fighting groups larger than theirs, they wouldn’t be wearing one of the only sets in the game that can only do single target damage.

But please feel free to post some of their 4vX vids and prove me wrong. If it were possible to 4vX with sloads effectively, I’m sure it’d have gotten nerfed already.

Gilvoth

only a small group of people on "this forum" is bothered by it.
the eso community as a whole entire eso is not here to comment.

White wabbit

Thogard wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

They added it to make the game more enjoyable, I'm haven't used it yet but have guild mates that love it
So ZOS you put the set in so don't even think about nerfing it

Your guild mates probably like it because it’s overperforming and making there group of zerglings kill solo players even faster

Lol couldn't be farther from the truth, not everyone on here zergs some like solo or 2-4 man groups but hey you keep thinking what you want

Sloads is a single target dmg set. You can’t have it proc on two people at the same time. Your buddies might be running in 2-4 man groups, but if they were fighting groups larger than theirs, they wouldn’t be wearing one of the only sets in the game that can only do single target damage.

But please feel free to post some of their 4vX vids and prove me wrong. If it were possible to 4vX with sloads effectively, I’m sure it’d have gotten nerfed already.

Guess you haven't heard of the class on here called nightblade ,as I said not everyone zergs from keep to keep though guessing your in that category since your the one that keeps being up groups

Grimhallow

White wabbit wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

RighteousBacon wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

They added it to make the game more enjoyable, I'm haven't used it yet but have guild mates that love it
So ZOS you put the set in so don't even think about nerfing it

Your guild mates probably like it because it’s overperforming and making there group of zerglings kill solo players even faster

Lol couldn't be farther from the truth, not everyone on here zergs some like solo or 2-4 man groups but hey you keep thinking what you want

Sloads is a single target dmg set. You can’t have it proc on two people at the same time. Your buddies might be running in 2-4 man groups, but if they were fighting groups larger than theirs, they wouldn’t be wearing one of the only sets in the game that can only do single target damage.

But please feel free to post some of their 4vX vids and prove me wrong. If it were possible to 4vX with sloads effectively, I’m sure it’d have gotten nerfed already.

Guess you haven't heard of the class on here called nightblade ,as I said not everyone zergs from keep to keep though guessing your in that category since your the one that keeps being up groups

Sload's isn't a very effective "outnumbered" set, even on nightblade, where you can pretty carefully control the proc. The time to kill is too long, and failure essentially means a 6-8 second cooldown before you can reengage for a second burst.

It is effective in very specific 1v1 matchups, particularly against shield sorcs and some heavy armor players. But for the most part it's dramatically outperformed by more conventional damage sets when fighting outnumbered.

Though, like @Thogard , I would love to see some footage and be proven wrong. Although, even if the footage does exist, it would be difficult to argue that they wouldn't have been more effective in different sets.

Sloads is overpowered cancer because of the way that it operates and the type of damage it does, but it is primarily effective in coordinated, evenly sized groups (BGs, Keep Sieges, etc.), or when zerging down small groups/ solo players.

CyrusArya

The problem isn’t sloads, the problem is OP builds that can take on groups and entire zergs solo. Sloads is just the promised messiah that has finally arrived to deliver us Xv1 gankers to the promised land. I don’t even use the set, scouts honor...I promise. I just defend it in every post because it brings true balance to the game.

It’s not even that bad, you just have to think outside the box and learn to ADAPT and OVERCOME. I just slot purge on my stamblade cus thats a logical thing to do, and never engage in fights where I don’t heavily outnumber the opponent. Ez.

NyassaV

Just remove the set. I don't care anymore. Get this garbage out of the game. Legit even the people that bought the attunable stations for will would probably be happy the set is gone if they actually care about the game. Or just nerf it till it's useless. Oblivion damage is a little too strong in nearly every case.

NyassaV

Vaoh wrote: »

Just let ZOS nerf it already so we can forget the Devs making this game were incompetent enough to let this go Live in the first place.

Next patch they either will or won’t nerf it. Simple as that. Enough threads on Sloads.

No more. I want this bloody set gone by midyear mayhem or else it's going to be a mess

WillhelmBlack

It just needs a large cooldown and a condition to proc it.

I like the idea of the set but the damage is way too high for a constant dot, and it IS constant.

LittlePinkDot

Im exclusively a solo pvper. Have any of you ever grouped randomly in cyrodil on console? The voice chat is terrible, people wont shut up.

Im glad my main is a stamblade, could be the only good solo class left.