No-CP Magplar build

Amorpho

There doesn't seem to be many No-CP (Battlegrounds) Magplar builds out there (or at least not publicly released). I am working on one at the moment, but I was wondering if anyone had any experience they might want to share.

I was thinking about:
* sload for damage
* something else for sustain (Lich? Transmutation? Maybe Desert Rose?)
* tankiness from Pirate Skeleton (or Bloodspawn?)
* Mundus Stone: the Apprentice.
* Drink: Witchmother potent brew
* 5 lights + 2 heavy
* High Elf Vampire

Any thoughts? I'm slightly concerned for stamina sustain though.

Checkmath

If you wear light armor in no cp you will definitely need a defensive set: eitger wizards riposte or pirate skeleton work, but otherwise you are too squishy. Regarding bufffood: in no cp a decent stamina pool is a must have, so either you use tristat food or you have to wear shacklebreaker.
You surely can combine both sets i mentioned and you will have a decent build already.

Baz

Thurvokun + Sload (if you really want it) + Overwhelming.
Infused Frost Staff + S&B (escapist poison) for BGs with Blockade
Nirnhoned Shock staff (escapist poison) + S&B for OW with Ele drain

If someone in your team/group wear Riposte, you can drop Thurvokun for Skoria

Amorpho

What do you reckon should be the minimum magicka recovery in BGs?

Checkmath

Amorpho wrote: »

What do you reckon should be the minimum magicka recovery in BGs?

depends on how much you use mistform. if you dont use it, go for around 1.6-1.8k magregen, if you use it it needs to be higher unless you use dersert rose.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Magplar tends to be pretty mix-n-match if you know what you're doing. You can make a build that's not just viable, but pretty optimal by looking at the top 10 magplar sets and picking 3 at random and then adjusting your enchants/armor type/mundus to get your stats to where they need to be.

But your idea 1 damage, 1 sustain, 1 defense is a pretty good starting point. If stamina is gonna be a problem, you can run amberplasm or shacklebreaker which are strong magicka sets that also help stam quite a bit. Tri-stats for armor enchants is also great, if you want to drop some extra cash.

Pirate skeleton over blood spawn (just my personal opinion, BS is still good), our offensive ultimate selection isn't amazing so we can't really make best use of the extra ult gen like an mDK or stamblade can.

Drakkdjinn

No CP, ranged Templar, optimized for play on ZoS poor server infrastructure - hits hard and is hard to perish

https://youtu.be/nA8MOrMjj6E

Full build vid at end of above

Baz

Amorpho wrote: »

What do you reckon should be the minimum magicka recovery in BGs?

Usually, i'm at 1k6 when i'm not using lich, and 1k4 when using lich.

Btw, when you are using procset like sload/overwhelming, no need for high Spell Damage, go full sustain as your sets hits for you (Overwhelming + Sload + frost Blockade is a LOT of pressure)

Personally, I prefer running Lich instead of Sload to be able using a vMA staff for the extra LA damages.

I don't use at all Mist in BGs. Repentance or maybe Race against Time is by far superior imo

Amorpho

How about this build (Desert Rose + Shacklebreaker)? I'm going to test it today:
en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=24629
I think it's going to work awesome!

Checkmath

Amorpho wrote: »

How about this build (Desert Rose + Shacklebreaker)? I'm going to test it today:
en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=24629
I think it's going to work awesome!

Looks good, pretty standard build;)
I wouldnt use toppling charge tough.

Amorpho

Checkmath wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

How about this build (Desert Rose + Shacklebreaker)? I'm going to test it today:
en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=24629
I think it's going to work awesome!

Looks good, pretty standard build;)
I wouldnt use toppling charge tough.

You're not the first one to mention this but I honestly can't fight without a gap closer - whatever the class! Especially with Templars since their mobility is rubbish!

Koensol

Amorpho wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

How about this build (Desert Rose + Shacklebreaker)? I'm going to test it today:
en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=24629
I think it's going to work awesome!

Looks good, pretty standard build;)
I wouldnt use toppling charge tough.

You're not the first one to mention this but I honestly can't fight without a gap closer - whatever the class! Especially with Templars since their mobility is rubbish!

Agreed. It depends on your playstyle as well. I like to play very aggressive so I definately want toppling charge. Set up combo from range with purifying light + reflective light + unstable core + meteor and then charge with some jabs. If you stun them its RIP. I love it.

But some people play a more conservative role and I can imagine you don't need it as much.

Checkmath

Amorpho wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

How about this build (Desert Rose + Shacklebreaker)? I'm going to test it today:
en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=24629
I think it's going to work awesome!

Looks good, pretty standard build;)
I wouldnt use toppling charge tough.

You're not the first one to mention this but I honestly can't fight without a gap closer - whatever the class! Especially with Templars since their mobility is rubbish!

I just mentioned it, since you cant use toppling charge in melee range, so you cant stun the enemy afterwards reliably. Additionally you dont have a mobility benefit from it, if you want to run or something on the defense. I therefore prefer accelerating drain, which stuns pretty good and provides 10% speed.

rikimm16_ESO

Skoria
Overwhelming (or Sloads)
Wizard Riposte

3 stat food (we need the stamina to CC break)

Argonian (imo)
Vamp

Checkmath

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Skoria
Overwhelming (or Sloads)
Wizard Riposte

3 stat food (we need the stamina to CC break)

Argonian (imo)
Vamp

Boring and no skill behind that setup. The same goes for sloads like overwhelminh surge. Let the sets do your work then

Amorpho

Koensol wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

How about this build (Desert Rose + Shacklebreaker)? I'm going to test it today:
en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=24629
I think it's going to work awesome!

Looks good, pretty standard build;)
I wouldnt use toppling charge tough.

You're not the first one to mention this but I honestly can't fight without a gap closer - whatever the class! Especially with Templars since their mobility is rubbish!

Agreed. It depends on your playstyle as well. I like to play very aggressive so I definately want toppling charge. Set up combo from range with purifying light + reflective light + unstable core + meteor and then charge with some jabs. If you stun them its RIP. I love it.

But some people play a more conservative role and I can imagine you don't need it as much.

That's exactly how I play.

rikimm16_ESO

Checkmath wrote: »

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Skoria
Overwhelming (or Sloads)
Wizard Riposte

3 stat food (we need the stamina to CC break)

Argonian (imo)
Vamp

Boring and no skill behind that setup. The same goes for sloads like overwhelminh surge. Let the sets do your work then

#MySetsCarryMe

I agree, it is boring but very efficient. The OP wants to know what’s out there and our experiences, not how skillless is a setup.

BTW, I have no problems killing or sustaining with that set in battlegrounds. I love how NB just melt against it (not using Sloads btw)!

Amorpho

Amorpho wrote: »

How about this build (Desert Rose + Shacklebreaker)? I'm going to test it today:
en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=24629
I think it's going to work awesome!

I have been testing this but I find I am way too squishy (I'm practically on my backbar almost all the time). I think that 5 piece light armor without shields is just not good enough - even with Pirate Skeleton. In fact, Pirate Skeleton has often been a problem. The transformation has something like 0.5 second animation that often messes up my rotation or my barswap. Do you guys fight in light armor or heavy? I also think it would be a lot more beneficial for stamina sustain. So many light-armor build eventually die after running out of stam in BGs.

I am going to try a different approach today. It's less damage but I suspect it will be a lot more survivable:
* 5 - 1 - 1 setup (heavy)
* Shacklebreaker + Desert Rose
* Bloodspawn

en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=69020

An alternative would be
* Shacklebreaker + lich (back-bar)
* 2 piece willpower (front-bar)
* Bloodspawn

Any thoughts?

Checkmath

Amorpho wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

How about this build (Desert Rose + Shacklebreaker)? I'm going to test it today:
en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=24629
I think it's going to work awesome!

I have been testing this but I find I am way too squishy (I'm practically on my backbar almost all the time). I think that 5 piece light armor without shields is just not good enough - even with Pirate Skeleton. In fact, Pirate Skeleton has often been a problem. The transformation has something like 0.5 second animation that often messes up my rotation or my barswap. Do you guys fight in light armor or heavy? I also think it would be a lot more beneficial for stamina sustain. So many light-armor build eventually die after running out of stam in BGs.

I am going to try a different approach today. It's less damage but I suspect it will be a lot more survivable:
* 5 - 1 - 1 setup (heavy)
* Shacklebreaker + Desert Rose
* Bloodspawn

en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=69020

An alternative would be
* Shacklebreaker + lich (back-bar)
* 2 piece willpower (front-bar)
* Bloodspawn

Any thoughts?

in heavy this is a pretty comon build, so will work very good.
about pirate skeleton, there is a trick with a costume, which oppresses the transformation. therefore you still get the buffs and debuffs, but no animation disturbance.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Checkmath wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

How about this build (Desert Rose + Shacklebreaker)? I'm going to test it today:
en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=24629
I think it's going to work awesome!

I have been testing this but I find I am way too squishy (I'm practically on my backbar almost all the time). I think that 5 piece light armor without shields is just not good enough - even with Pirate Skeleton. In fact, Pirate Skeleton has often been a problem. The transformation has something like 0.5 second animation that often messes up my rotation or my barswap. Do you guys fight in light armor or heavy? I also think it would be a lot more beneficial for stamina sustain. So many light-armor build eventually die after running out of stam in BGs.

I am going to try a different approach today. It's less damage but I suspect it will be a lot more survivable:
* 5 - 1 - 1 setup (heavy)
* Shacklebreaker + Desert Rose
* Bloodspawn

en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=69020

An alternative would be
* Shacklebreaker + lich (back-bar)
* 2 piece willpower (front-bar)
* Bloodspawn

Any thoughts?

in heavy this is a pretty comon build, so will work very good.
about pirate skeleton, there is a trick with a costume, which oppresses the transformation. therefore you still get the buffs and debuffs, but no animation disturbance.

I think only disguises suppress the transformation, pretty sure costumes don't help.

brandonv516

All really depends on your playstyle - many choices.

However, go Argonian.

Checkmath

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

How about this build (Desert Rose + Shacklebreaker)? I'm going to test it today:
en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=24629
I think it's going to work awesome!

I have been testing this but I find I am way too squishy (I'm practically on my backbar almost all the time). I think that 5 piece light armor without shields is just not good enough - even with Pirate Skeleton. In fact, Pirate Skeleton has often been a problem. The transformation has something like 0.5 second animation that often messes up my rotation or my barswap. Do you guys fight in light armor or heavy? I also think it would be a lot more beneficial for stamina sustain. So many light-armor build eventually die after running out of stam in BGs.

I am going to try a different approach today. It's less damage but I suspect it will be a lot more survivable:
* 5 - 1 - 1 setup (heavy)
* Shacklebreaker + Desert Rose
* Bloodspawn

en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=69020

An alternative would be
* Shacklebreaker + lich (back-bar)
* 2 piece willpower (front-bar)
* Bloodspawn

Any thoughts?

in heavy this is a pretty comon build, so will work very good.
about pirate skeleton, there is a trick with a costume, which oppresses the transformation. therefore you still get the buffs and debuffs, but no animation disturbance.

I think only disguises suppress the transformation, pretty sure costumes don't help.

ah sry, disguise was what i meant