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Stam NB gear question
Zeromaz
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I use Troll King, Agility Jewelry, Master DW, Master Bow, and a damage set. All medium.
Its hard to tell if troll king is worth it sometimes. At 50% health i’m sitting at 11.5k HP which can get chewed up pretty quickly. If i were to swap out agility and TK for a 5 set piece, would that be worth it? What sets would you guy’s suggest? Or would you advise against it?
Its hard to tell if troll king is worth it sometimes. At 50% health i’m sitting at 11.5k HP which can get chewed up pretty quickly. If i were to swap out agility and TK for a 5 set piece, would that be worth it? What sets would you guy’s suggest? Or would you advise against it?
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Grimhallow✭✭✭Troll King works much better if you have higher health or resistance (for obvious reasons).
Generally speaking, I would go with either the Master's Bow or the Master's DW pair. Rally/Forward Momentum is too much to give up.
In any case, this patch it is really difficult to justify giving up the options that a two piece monster set provides, and I would trade out the master weapons (or at least one of them) for the additional 5-pc set before I traded out the 2-pc monster set.0 -
Zeromaz✭✭✭✭Troll King works much better if you have higher health or resistance (for obvious reasons).
Generally speaking, I would go with either the Master's Bow or the Master's DW pair. Rally/Forward Momentum is too much to give up.
In any case, this patch it is really difficult to justify giving up the options that a two piece monster set provides, and I would trade out the master weapons (or at least one of them) for the additional 5-pc set before I traded out the 2-pc monster set.
Yeah, good point. I think i’m at 23k HP right now. I love the Master weapons... i also want to avoid any kinda 5 piece that i have to activate. I like to keep it simple so i can focus less on buffing or activating something and more on fighting. What kinda set would you think if i were to drop the Master DW?
Also, i’ve ised DW/bow for too long to care about rally. The heal from the bow is just as big as rally and can be used more often. I also get major brutality elsewhereEdited by Zeromaz on June 13, 2018 12:22AM0 -
Grimhallow✭✭✭Well one example would be Spriggan's on the Jewelry and a 2h front bar.
Paired with Master bow you'll have substantial damage, allowing you to run a defense/recovery set on your body.0 -
Zeromaz✭✭✭✭Well one example would be Spriggan's on the Jewelry and a 2h front bar.
Paired with Master bow you'll have substantial damage, allowing you to run a defense/recovery set on your body.
I like where your mind is at right now
Just curious. How much penetration do you think is too much in pvp? Most people buffed up have what... 16k resists?
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NightAngel690✭✭✭You don’t have to run spriggans. In fact the only time you should run spriggans is if you don’t have enough cp points...aka...you’re <300cp. If you’re running agility and an armour set that gives you a minimum of 1 stam, you can get up to 40k stam Which means you can run the lovers stone with divine traits on my armour. That gives me 3k pen paired with asylum maul which ignores about 20% of resistance. So if someone has low resistance like 10k, that’s gives you 2k pen. When you take that, plus cp points into consideration, I was doing...7-8k pen which is actually a lot more than you really need. Plus every time you use reverse slice you generate ult which is a huuuuge bonus for a nb. The only thing about pen though is that it doesn’t work on sorcs/damage shields which means you can instead run warrior Stone to give you weapon damage or thief for extra crit.
pre-Summerset I was a Dot dw/bow build and got up to 4K weapon damage on my dw bar with 3.5 on my bow bar.
If you really want to discuss dw options more, feel free to inbox me.Edited by NightAngel690 on June 13, 2018 1:10AM0 -
Grimhallow✭✭✭Going past 6-8k pen is going to start seeing diminishing returns.
You use Spriggan's with a Nirn 2H and no CP into Pen for optimal damage (the penetration CP star isn't super efficient, so I don't ever put more than 15-20 points into that star anyways).
Don't use divine traits in PvP. Well Fitted, Impen, (and infused of you have impreg armor) are going to be the best.0 -
NightAngel690✭✭✭I don’t know where you got your information but That is where I’m going to have to disagree with you. For max damage, use divines. This is a staple for gankers. For 1vX and los fighting then yes, do inpen but if you want max damage output then divine is absolutely necessary. It makes the difference between 2.5k and 4K.
As for not putting cp into pen, you most definitely should so you don’t always have to run spriggans to make up for lack thereof which gives you a lot more freedom to experiment and explore the various sets eso has to offer. Plus, you can always put cp into crit resistance. I’ve done a bunch of different theory craft builds and they all had enough cp for 2-3k crit resistance, 4K pen, with plenty of left over cp for anything else you might want to do.
To me, spriggans is a good training set. It helps the new player make up for lack of cp and it gets the job done. Once you get enough cp you can either choose to keep it, or, if you’re like me and want a challenge, switch it up for something else to compliment your play style. The majority of the stamblades from gankers to 1vX’rs I’ve talked with don’t run spriggans with equal amounts running inpen and divine0 -
Grimhallow✭✭✭For max damage, you would run divines. But the opportunity cost is very high, and the survivability afforded by impen and well fitted is noticeable.
It's also true that you don't need a ton of penetration. We get plenty from major fracture (via surprise attack).
Regardless, Spriggan's is one of the most efficient damage sets, and has an excellent 2-4 piece to boot.
There is nothing wrong with putting some points into pen. You probably should given how much CP we have access to. But it isn't a very efficient star, and the diminishing returns are high, so don't over-invest in CP pen.
Obviously you don't have to run Spriggan's, but it's an excellent damage set, and easy to pair with the master bow, as it provides two lines of stam upfront (so that you don't lose max stam when you swap bars).0 -
Zeromaz✭✭✭✭Going past 6-8k pen is going to start seeing diminishing returns.
You use Spriggan's with a Nirn 2H and no CP into Pen for optimal damage (the penetration CP star isn't super efficient, so I don't ever put more than 15-20 points into that star anyways).
Don't use divine traits in PvP. Well Fitted, Impen, (and infused of you have impreg armor) are going to be the best.
Can you explain more about dimished returns on pen past 6-8k? Full light armor sits at something like 9k resists so i would assume that is where the dimished returns would come in. However, consider that and armor buffs, people should be sitting at 14k+... no? 5280 armor reduction from surprise attack... add spriggans and we’re still only sitting at 8730.0 -
Grimhallow✭✭✭Diminishing returns tend to hit for a variety of reasons, but most often it comes to the opportunity cost. To increase your pen you'll have to give up raw damage, and sometimes a variety of other stats, like crit modifiers in CP among other things.
Pen also doesn't do anything to help damage shields, which have no resistance to penetrate.
I've found 6k to be the sweet spot where you get the highest damage across the widest variety of circumstances.
Whether you are fighting a shield spamming sorcerer, or a heavy armor DK, you can feel comfortable and prepared for any situation.Edited by Grimhallow on June 13, 2018 3:07AM1 -
Zeromaz✭✭✭✭That makes sense. Though i do love the feel of slapping someone with an axe and going right through all of their armor
What type of weapon damage are you comfortable with? 4k?Edited by Zeromaz on June 13, 2018 3:19AM0 -
NightAngel690✭✭✭Honestly, I wouldn’t run spriggans with master’s bow. If I’m doing that, I would run sheervenom that way there’s a poison proc’d as well as an increase in weapon damage. W/o masters bow at 300cp, I could get a poison tic of 3-5k. Besides, you could always put a crusher enchant on it to provide that extra debuff while Buffing your own weapon damage.0
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Grimhallow✭✭✭I would look at the tooltip over the weapon damage, though I usually probably run around 4-4.5k damage fully buffed.
That would include the weapon damage proc on your bow.
Generally for my tooltip, I like my surprise attack to be around 10.5k
You can see one of my builds here:
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=63443
You'll notice that the 10,788k surprise attack tooltip includes the Master Bow proc, but doesn't include the weapon damage glyph (meaning that you can potentially get your burst even higher).Edited by Grimhallow on June 13, 2018 3:42AM0 -
Zeromaz✭✭✭✭Sheer Venom is a great set. I wouldn’t rule it out. I do use poisons on my bow bar, and i have my weapon damage glyph up front on my offhand.
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Zeromaz✭✭✭✭I would look at the tooltip over the weapon damage, though I usually probably run around 4-4.5k damage fully buffed.
That would include the weapon damage proc on your bow.
Generally for my tooltip, I like my surprise attack to be around 10.5k
You can see one of my builds here:
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=63443
You'll notice that the 10,788k surprise attack tooltip includes the Master Bow proc, but doesn't include the weapon damage glyph (meaning that you can potentially get your burst even higher).
Thanks for sharing the build. With those stats being what you’re comfortable with, i should be sitting pretty well. I am always thinking of tweaking my setup but i’m probably near the limit for my build unless i did something drastically different. I’m just addicted to damage.... you know?0