Sustain sets

srfrogg23

I’m sure it has been discussed in the past, but with jewelry crafting being available, I’m looking for new ways to increase my sustainability while healing (people don’t like dying because the healer went oom).

I’m currently using the liche set in conjunction with Julianos and Troll king, but I’m starting to take a hard look at replacing Liche with either Seducer’s or Magnus’ Gift.

What do y’all think? Good trade off? Which would be better?

Edit: I guess it would help to mention that I’m using a magblade to heal.

My play style revolves around keeping HoTs up at all times with funnel health, healthy offering, and rapid regeneration. But, I also use a lightning staff on the backbar and lay down elemental blockade and twisting path for added dps.

I use soul siphon for “oh crap” moments and I use sap essence as an AoE heal/dps to add to the HoTs in add-heavy situations.

I use siphoning attacks, siphon spirit, and heavy attacks for sustain. I can sustain pretty well, but my goal is to drastically reduce the number of heavy attacks I need to use in order to keep my dps up without hindering my LA/Funnel Health weaving.

redshirt_49

Yeah Julianos and Troll King is not ideal for healing. Worm's Raiment is probably better. Getting gear in full divines plus the attronach mundus also helps getting that extra bit of recovery.

The new Vanus set added with Summerset also isn't half bad if you're on a budget.

I've also tried running the Seducer + Magnus' Gift combo and it does excellent for sustain but isn't so great for "oh crap" heal moments.

I wanted to try Stendarr + Vanus later to see it's viability as a budget build since both of those sets come incredibly cheap on guild stores.

EDIT : I forgot to mention Jorvuld's Guidance which is an excellent sustain set but can be a bit of a pain to farm because it is DLC dungeons and not many have access to it, so queues can be quite lengthy.

Itzmichi

Just take the regular healer sets, instead of meh sets. You should land at 38k+ magicka and 2300+ reg + heavy attacks. How can you not sustain should be the question?

chris211

srfrogg23 wrote: »

I’m sure it has been discussed in the past, but with jewelry crafting being available, I’m looking for new ways to increase my sustainability while healing (people don’t like dying because the healer went oom).

I’m currently using the liche set in conjunction with Julianos and Troll king, but I’m starting to take a hard look at replacing Liche with either Seducer’s or Magnus’ Gift.

What do y’all think? Good trade off? Which would be better?

for pvp I run 5 spc + 5 fortified brass heavy and 2 earthgore heavy

raj72616a

Itsmichi wrote: »

Just take the regular healer sets, instead of meh sets. You should land at 38k+ magicka and 2300+ reg + heavy attacks. How can you not sustain should be the question?

healing spring refund magicka, rapid regeneration / mutagen has long duration, sustain shouldnt be a problem for just healing, unless you spam combat prayer and BoL too much?

profundidob16_ESO

srfrogg23 wrote: »

I’m sure it has been discussed in the past, but with jewelry crafting being available, I’m looking for new ways to increase my sustainability while healing (people don’t like dying because the healer went oom).

I’m currently using the liche set in conjunction with Julianos and Troll king, but I’m starting to take a hard look at replacing Liche with either Seducer’s or Magnus’ Gift.

What do y’all think? Good trade off? Which would be better?

the problem is not in your sets but your (wrong) playstyle. Force yourself to join random group finder vet dungeons and try your best to heal them only with healing springs spams where your goal is to always have multiple people inside it. Use your panic burst heal skill (BOL or combat prayer or warden equivalent) ONLY when you feel the healing springs won't be enough.

Yes it will require you to learn and fail and yes people will die but it is also the only way to become an efficient healer that 'knows' when a burst heal is needed. Right now you're completely overhealing.

To give you a point of reference: as cp750 templar my favorite set combo is julianos+spc. No sustain at all because I'm efficient enough and the higher dmge (=healing in this case) number make it so i have to cast less to get people's health up and thus also save on magicka. The added big bonus from mastering this hard playstyle that includes these no-sustain sets is that you become able to burst heal super rough burst dmge phases that are considered 'unhealable'

For an easier setup that is super forgiving and gives alot of sustain but less healing power: Olorime+(Seducer/magnus/mending/lich)

monster set earthgore

ArchMikem

My healer has crap recovery, like 600. But its not necessary cause in PvE Healing you're constantly weaving heavy attacks in between healing your group. I only ever run out if i have to spam breath of life for some reason.

Really your only "required" set is Spell Power Cure to aid your group damage. You can literally wear anything else and not go wrong. But for monster sets, Earthgore is REALLY nice.

GrigorijMalahevich

Lich is can't be compared to Seducer or Magnus. The only time when you can (for sustain purpose) replace Lich is when you use Mist and you can replace Lich with Warlock.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

I am horrified by some of the comments in this thread, which only confirm why PUGs are so painful.

As a Healer you are either a High Elf, a Breton or an Argonian. Really makes no difference.

Many people prefer a high magicka pool .Which makes sense for a per magsorc, but not for a healer. The reason is smple: if you can't sustain, what is the point of having 40K magicka, if you are always with an empty bar? I do prefer having 30-32K magicka and a huge magicka regeneration.

My main healer currently has 32K magicka and 20K health. 3400 magicka regen in combat. This results in more than 15 consecutive BoL, if needed. And a pool that rarely drops below 80% in veteran trials. I don't need heavy attacks to regenerate magicka. In veteran trials yo udon't always have the chance to HA since the team might need you to spam heal.

How to get that much regeneration? All divines. Magicka regeneration glyphs. Magicka reneration mundus. Witch Brew. As a templar, make sure you have Channeled Focus on your feet. Spellpower or Tristats potions highly available.

Finally, you need to learn to play as a healer. You heal when the Team needs it. Not for the sake of spamming heals. Else yo uare just wasting magicka nad losing the opportunity to buff/deal damage. With time and experience you know in advance when you will need to spam BoL.

Flaminir

As a healer the moment you switch to a dedicated sustain set then you are doing less to help your group than you could do.

They have their place as a starter set for sure, but if you want to be as good a healer as possible then you should aim for sets that buff the group (EG: Spellpower Cure / Olorime / Wormcult / Mending / Jorvulds etc) and then get your sustain from other means such as:

• Regen / Cost reduction jewellery glyphs
• Atronach (Regen) Mundus stone
• Witchmothers drink (Though tbh I think this drops your health too much in some harder content...a dead healer heals nothing. But is good in easy/medium stuff).
• Divines traits to boost your regen mundus
• Magicka return glyph on main resto staff
• Ele drain & shock bloackade combo! Off balance for the group to boost their dps, and magicka return for you! Win/Win!
• Make sure you have enough CP in 'Tenacity' in the green tree... get more magicka back from your heavy attacks!

If you are still struggling after all that then as others have said, you need to take a look at the healing style and the skills you're using. BoL has its place in very mobile fights such as Asylum / Cloudrest etc, but is expensive and not efficient for most. Use healing springs more. Heavy attack where you can etc.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

@jaschacasadiob16_ESO wow. 3400 regen is WAY over kill. What does your breath hit for? Like 8k noncrit? Your secondary heal on hat would be like 1.5k, worthless. My honor the dead, which is the superior morph now, hits for 13k non crit. Honor the deal is so much better now. Basically lowers the cost of the skill by 15% if you spam it, as you get that much back immediately and 60% if you don't need to.

I have 1.3k regen on my temp, dont use channeled focus unless I am in a trial and I do 15k DPS with just budding the team with lightning wall, shards and using purifying ritual, with vampires bane to have more dps with free Major prophecy.

The key is to be heavy attacking when you have all your buffs up, ie combat prayer, Lighting wall and eledrain. You are using eledrain right @srfrogg23? No reason not to have that up 100%, either on the boss or the biggest mob/s around.

I run mending most of the time with SPC and Bogdans. Earthgore is trash for pve healing, been a DPS when the healer had that crap on, only proced on me like twice, mean while, Bogdans adds like an extra 10% healing on my healer. Or sentinel of rkugams, to me, those are the only 2 monster sets worth using.

profundidob16_ESO

ArchMikem wrote: »

My healer has crap recovery, like 600. But its not necessary cause in PvE Healing you're constantly weaving heavy attacks in between healing your group. I only ever run out if i have to spam breath of life for some reason.

Really your only "required" set is Spell Power Cure to aid your group damage. You can literally wear anything else and not go wrong. But for monster sets, Earthgore is REALLY nice.

that used to be true until summerset. The new olorime set replaces spc with not only better uptime of the same buff but in addition gives more magicka recovery

Flaminir

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO I was about to say I agree with everything you wrote there... great post! Except one thing I have a different opinion on!

Earthgore!

I've seen that save SO many deaths in the harder content... it's been really worthwhile.

It's a great emegency 'Oh ***' safety net that can keep people alive. Especially when learning new content, and helps keep the slightly squishier stam builds alive.

On the flipside stuff like Bogdan wouldn't do that, its just a basic low level heal... .and its's RNG!

I hate the idea of RNG healing... Its either totally wasted if they are max health (Or close to it), or its not enough if the *** hits the fan. Relying on an RNG proc to do basic healing feels wrong, and if you're not relying on it then its a wasted slot.

Sentinel at least gives stamina so has another purpose.... while not as useful as earthgore imho, its still got a job to do.

AbysmalGhul

Seducer is a good set for reduction and regen. If you want to save your mats, you can buy Alteration Mastery. It's practically the equivalent, but instead of the 6% reduction cost in magicka abilities , it provides 6% reduction cost in all abilities. I would shoot for about 1400 magicka regen and use magicka reduction glyphs on your jewelry.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

On the flipside stuff like Bogdan wouldn't do that, its just a basic low level heal... .and its's RNG!

An basic heal that heals for more then earthgore and more often. When the group takes ANY damage and you heal them, it can proc. It can proc on any heal, all the time. No need to have your team be in dire straights to have it go off. Bodgans is literally like having a healing Springs go off every rotation. Like I said, I have played with healers that use earthgore and it never felt like it went off. Bodgans on the other had, goes off basically off cool down when you need it. I have healed the serpant on vet with it a lot and it was like 20% of my healing there. Out of like 20 milion healed in the time it took to heal. My tooltip with Bogdans is 6k per tick for 6 seconds. Amazing.

srfrogg23

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

I’m sure it has been discussed in the past, but with jewelry crafting being available, I’m looking for new ways to increase my sustainability while healing (people don’t like dying because the healer went oom).

I’m currently using the liche set in conjunction with Julianos and Troll king, but I’m starting to take a hard look at replacing Liche with either Seducer’s or Magnus’ Gift.

What do y’all think? Good trade off? Which would be better?

the problem is not in your sets but your (wrong) playstyle. Force yourself to join random group finder vet dungeons and try your best to heal them only with healing springs spams where your goal is to always have multiple people inside it. Use your panic burst heal skill (BOL or combat prayer or warden equivalent) ONLY when you feel the healing springs won't be enough.

Yes it will require you to learn and fail and yes people will die but it is also the only way to become an efficient healer that 'knows' when a burst heal is needed. Right now you're completely overhealing.

To give you a point of reference: as cp750 templar my favorite set combo is julianos+spc. No sustain at all because I'm efficient enough and the higher dmge (=healing in this case) number make it so i have to cast less to get people's health up and thus also save on magicka. The added big bonus from mastering this hard playstyle that includes these no-sustain sets is that you become able to burst heal super rough burst dmge phases that are considered 'unhealable'

For an easier setup that is super forgiving and gives alot of sustain but less healing power: Olorime+(Seducer/magnus/mending/lich)

monster set earthgore

Yeah... I went ahead and updated my OP to address these kinds of... “misconceptions”.

P.s. you should see all the neat little gold trophies I have in my house

Merlin13KAGL

Agree with @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO here. Bogdan is underestimated.

You're looking at a 20% proc chance in 4 man, 60% proc chance in 12 man. That's per heal.

With as many HoTs going off at any given time, it's basically up all the time.

*On a side note / Easter Egg:

The model for the totem actually has moving parts. The top three 'poles' with attached chains begin upright and the fall to the side as it lands. I never paid much attention to this until the top half got stuck on the environment the other day and stayed upright looking like some kind of antenna. Took me a minute to realize that's what it was (sadly, didn't think to screenshot it).

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

@Merlin13KAGL I agree it is underestimated but that is not how percentage based proced work. They do not add to each other. It is still 5% per person healed.

On your spoiler, I have seen that as well. Wish it was like that all the time, with the titan wing open and the chains spread, would make it more obvious.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

@jaschacasadiob16_ESO wow. 3400 regen is WAY over kill.

Olorime comes with magicka regen. It is a side effect of Summerset. SPC was different. Yea, it is a lot. I plan to swithc rings glyphs from regen to spell damage.

Merlin13KAGL

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

@Merlin13KAGL I agree it is underestimated but that is not how percentage based proced work. They do not add to each other. It is still 5% per person healed.

On your spoiler, I have seen that as well. Wish it was like that all the time, with the titan wing open and the chains spread, would make it more obvious.

18.5% in 4 man , 46% in 12 man, and that's with only a single heal going at any given time.

Still pretty good proc rate, any way you slice it.

Flaminir

The difference between bogdan and earthgore (imo)...

Bogdan randomly heals when you dont nessesarily need it.

Earthgore is more controlled and only procs when you DO need it.

The aim would always be that people don't need earthgore... if the group play well, avoid damage, and the healing is decent then its used less.

But its there as that emergency backup.

Bogdan is relying on RNG to heal people... I'd rather not rely on RNG for standard healing tbh... will people live or die... lets let RNG decide

All of this is subject to your group and the content being run though tbh. I can see where both would be useful in different circumstances. I'm just challenging your statement that Earthgore is "Absolute trash" in PvE.... it's not!

srfrogg23

I’ll probably give Bogdan a try. It seemed unreliable based on the tool-tip, but it’s worth a try.

I really was hoping for some sort of comparison between Liche, Seducer, and Magnus before I dump a bunch of crafting mats into one of them, though. I’d like to reduce the amount of time I have to spend using heavy attacks in a fight. Just wondering if one of those sets would be more effective for that goal.

Merlin13KAGL

Bogdan can proc 6 times in the timeframe Earthgore procs once...

What happens when someone needs that EG proc 6 seconds after someone burned it up tripping over a rock outside of group? (I get that people are generally gonna be stacked, but who hasn't seen it proc in a less than ideal fashion?)

With Troll King, at least it could spread to more than just that one person.

The goal behind Bogdan vs the other two is to help keep people from getting to the 50% mark where the other two sets would be needed.

Flaminir

And what happens when you need an emergency heal in a fight like St Olms / Asylum and people are not stacked... Bogdan procing in places where nobody is even stood.

Lets just say that there are benefits of each set and content where each would be more suitable My point was never to say one is better than the other overall, just countering the comment earlier that EarthGore is trash... it's not. And there are sitiations where both would be good.

@srfrogg23 In answer to your question... any of those sustain sets you mention means dropping another 5 piece set that will be helping the group.... so you will be helping the group less, and be less effective in the healing role. There are all th eother options listed above to help with sustain which will make you a better healer and help your sustain much more.

If you want a comparison between those sets (Which again... will make you less effective...t from a purely comparative perspective)

• Magnus is RNG... anything where you are relying on RNG to heal and/or sustain is a bad thing. If RNG is against you andyou run out of magicka in a bad moment then people die. It's unpredictable.
• Seducer is the most consistent of the options mentioned, but I'd still take all the other sustain options listed above before choosing just8% cost reduction. That said it does give you certainty and you know where you are which enables you to plan / play accordingly.
• Lich is strong, and can be just run on the back bar which is a nice bonus, but it only procs when you get low, so you're seeing no benefit most of the time. If you are down at 33% magicka then you must be in a pretty tight and heavy healing spot... so would that regen then be enough to get you out of the hole?

Benefits to seducer or lichbut I would never use magnus as a serious healer at any level due to the rng involved.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

I prefer Earthgore for PvP and Bogdan for PvE.

Earthgore procs only if one drops below 50% health. This should not happen very often in veteran PvE content. The opposite is true for PvP where, moreover, there are often tons of people stacked together. The heal is massive. This is often not needed in PvE where maybe only the tank needs it in those oh sheet situations. In PvP when two factions collide, you have multiple people needing huge heals at the same time. It has a long cooldown.

Bogdan procs out of any heal. The HoT is decent. It often helps a DD surviving a red circle and a tank sustaining a boss fight. It has no cooldown, so essentially if you place multiple HoTs you have a totem around all the time. I could live without it but hey, it better to have an extra HoT up all the time than nothing.

Taleof2Cities

Just wanted to mention Willow’s Path as a possible sustain set also ... in case you wanted to lock down regen in one 5-piece and then focus on other areas in the rest of your build.

josiahva

For sustained non-stop heals on my hybrid healer/tank I use Seducer and Alteration Mastery(which could now be paired with Earthgore with the changes to 2 handed) This is in 5 pieces of heavy armor...so if I can sustain indefinitely in that setup in heavy armor I am sure it would be much easier in light...but since you aren't tanking at the same time, there are better choices than alteration mastery for you, but I find Seducer to be great for sustain regardless of what you pair it with

jaws343

Sustain set on a healer is unnecessary and isn't helping the group. I personally run SPC and Mending/Jorvould/Twilight/Worm on my Breton healer and hit 37K Mag, 2.5K regen and never run out of resources.

srfrogg23

jaws343 wrote: »

Sustain set on a healer is unnecessary and isn't helping the group. I personally run SPC and Mending/Jorvould/Twilight/Worm on my Breton healer and hit 37K Mag, 2.5K regen and never run out of resources.

Ok, are you guys talking about Healing Mage when you say “Mending”? I’m looking at the Wiki and I’m not seeing any sets with the word “mending” in the name.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

Yes, they refer to the Healing Mage set that drops in Aetherial Archive.

srfrogg23

How in the heck did Healing Mage become known as “Mending”? Mending isn’t anywhere in the Healing Mage description. That makes zero sense, lol!