Advanced Repec

rabb1t_ESO

This one thinks an "advanced respec" option would be nice. An option to have repec for skills/morphs work like Champion Point respec. A single click would un-do a morph, a second click would untrain the skill entirely, and maybe an option next to the skill line to reset just that line.

With this one having like 400 skills, of which probably 385 are used at any given time, it is suuuuuuchhh a pain to respec. Like with the new Psijic line; some things were tried, would rather have those points back, but this khajiit would effectively need to respec about 380 points just to regain like 6. It would be so much easier and nicer for players with more points just to click a few times to adjust instead of hundreds.

Having a full wipe as an option would still be nice, but probably 'advanced respec' would be used 99% of the time if it were an option.

Taleof2Cities

Giving a single skill or morph respec option means players don’t have to put any meaningful thought into the growth of their character ... especially when there now is the skill advisor built into the base game UI.

The current system of resetting all skill points favors new players anyway ... since respeccing fewer skill points costs less overall.

idk

I think the cost of both should just be free.

Make them free for ESO+ members (have seen this under a similar model). Zos could also offer a field respect option for SP and attributes, an assistant purchased from the crown store.

That is a win/win for Zos and many active players. Increased incentive to sub and a one time purchase from the crown store.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_MattFiror

adeptusminor

Skill and CP presets would be nice. Still charge however much it is, but it would be a really nice quality of life improvement to be able to save particular setups and be able to change to them with a button press without having to manually change the CP setup/skill allocations individually.

oXI_Viper_IXo

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Giving a single skill or morph respec option means players don’t have to put any meaningful thought into the growth of their character ... especially when there now is the skill advisor built into the base game UI.

Sorry, but most people don't care about the"growth" of their character (whatever that even means). It's a simple QoL feature that we should have had ages ago. This will give people much more flexibility when switching from PvP to PvE. Not everyone has the time to make multiple characters for multiple purposes. It's a game that's supposed to be fun and convenience is king.

Acrolas

If they're having difficulty with a smaller respec UI design, they could just divide resets among more options:

Racial & Class reset
Armor & Weapons reset
Guild & World & Alliance War reset
Crafting reset

I think most targeted resets would fall into one of those four categories.

rabb1t_ESO

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Giving a single skill or morph respec option means players don’t have to put any meaningful thought into the growth of their character

I don't follow. Right now people can respec any time they want, it just resets the entire character. If someone gets one skill and is sad, or two, or three, or five, the suggested change would NOT impact their current ability to reset after 1 sad skill, or two, or three, or five. The "planning ahead" really isn't affected unless someone is so poor they can't respec as often as they'd like.

Honestly if I could unlearn the Psijic skills I didn't like easily I'd have done it 3-4 times by now. Instead I've been holding off because I know it will take around 15 or more minutes to reset everything, and this is with having screenshots of all my trees so I can just click click click super fast. I'd much rather have the option to spend 1-2 minutes just clearing the few skills I don't want. (And gods forbid I accidently mis-click during that reassignment, there goes another 10-15 min doing it yet again.)

I'd disagree that it (the current system) promotes "meaningful thought" the way it is. I've been playing more than 3 years, and as per the OP, when I last could see it I had like 395/408 total skills. (Pre-Summerset) Introducing two new skill lines, and now having skills in there I don't like because of how they work, does NOT promote "meaningful thought". I like the theory of the ability, but in use and practice it's just not for me. Actual use and execution has little to do with logical thought when I don't know what an ability will act and feel like without having used it. I'd like those points back without having to redistribute the other like 390+.

Not to sound mean or insulting, but if you want the effect you are implying, IMO you'd have to have ZERO respec options. Which is not something games do anymore.

ResTandRespeC

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Giving a single skill or morph respec option means players don’t have to put any meaningful thought into the growth of their character ... especially when there now is the skill advisor built into the base game UI.

Sorry, but most people don't care about the"growth" of their character (whatever that even means). It's a simple QoL feature that we should have had ages ago. This will give people much more flexibility when switching from PvP to PvE. Not everyone has the time to make multiple characters for multiple purposes. It's a game that's supposed to be fun and convenience is king.

Or even within one or the other. For example need to change from fp to crushing shock for 1 trial and needing to go back for the next trial.

shadowwraith666

a single skill line reset would be nice, in skyrim you had the ability to use dragon souls to reset a single perk tree without effecting the rest or you could make the skill line legendary by resetting it back to 15 and giving you back all the skill points used in that skill tree.

CelestialSlayer

i really dont understand why people are against players respecing their characters. the current system is rubbish and takes quite a bit of time to do as you have to do all you skills again. its alright if you have time to spare but some of us dont. maybe some of us shouldnt even play mmo's and stick to single player games instead.

MrSensible

Just to weigh in, I agree with the OP and also think that the skill respec option should be free or very nearly free.

When it's at the usual price point (50gold per skill point or something like that), I'll wait until I've made enough regrettable skill-choices that I think a reset is in order; maybe once a month or so. But the previous two weeks, when skill resets were only about 200 gold because of the Summerset Release, I was resetting every other day.

Cheap resets made it so that I could play around with my character build and try out new and weird ideas. It was awesome, I had a blast trying out a tank with full domihaus and rolling through enemies to apply knock down (totally unviable, but fun). This kind of experimentation just isn't something I'm going to do when a respec costs 10k.

But yeah, it's a serious pain in the balls to reallocate the same 98% of my skill points just so I can change one skill tree.

Odnoc

CelestialSlayer wrote: »

i really dont understand why people are against players respecing their characters. the current system is rubbish and takes quite a bit of time to do as you have to do all you skills again. its alright if you have time to spare but some of us dont. maybe some of us shouldnt even play mmo's and stick to single player games instead.

Maybe some of us should't play RPG's but stick to FPS instead.. RPG's inherently take time, something you're claiming people don't have much of..

This game, mmoRPG.

srfrogg23

rabb1t_ESO wrote: »

This one thinks an "advanced respec" option would be nice. An option to have repec for skills/morphs work like Champion Point respec. A single click would un-do a morph, a second click would untrain the skill entirely, and maybe an option next to the skill line to reset just that line.

With this one having like 400 skills, of which probably 385 are used at any given time, it is suuuuuuchhh a pain to respec. Like with the new Psijic line; some things were tried, would rather have those points back, but this khajiit would effectively need to respec about 380 points just to regain like 6. It would be so much easier and nicer for players with more points just to click a few times to adjust instead of hundreds.

Having a full wipe as an option would still be nice, but probably 'advanced respec' would be used 99% of the time if it were an option.

I support this 100%. Most of the time when I respec, I’m just changing a handful of abilities and the other 200 or so points go right back to where they were.

Mojmir

Odnoc wrote: »

CelestialSlayer wrote: »

i really dont understand why people are against players respecing their characters. the current system is rubbish and takes quite a bit of time to do as you have to do all you skills again. its alright if you have time to spare but some of us dont. maybe some of us shouldnt even play mmo's and stick to single player games instead.

Maybe some of us should't play RPG's but stick to FPS instead.. RPG's inherently take time, something you're claiming people don't have much of..

This game, mmoRPG.

go play RPG without worrying about what others do? MMOrpg.

rabb1t_ESO

MrSensible wrote: »

Just to weigh in, I agree with the OP and also think that the skill respec option should be free or very nearly free.

Hadn't really thought about cost, more concerned with re-doing like 390+ points because I want to clear just a few. But yeah, lower cost would be good, maybe scaling based on how many changes you do + a base charge.

akredon_ESO

Sign me up. I have almost 400 skill points and it gets really annoying to put all those points back in when really all i needed was 50-100 moved around

SugaComa

I'd rather have load outs ... Pay 10k for a load out and you can set armour n weapons CP and skills, allowing for fast changes

Add to this option to unlock both morphs but only equip one of them so you can swap on the fly

oXI_Viper_IXo

SugaComa wrote: »

I'd rather have load outs ... Pay 10k for a load out and you can set armour n weapons CP and skills, allowing for fast changes

Add to this option to unlock both morphs but only equip one of them so you can swap on the fly

Do you mean pay 10k once for a loadout or every time you switch?

efster

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Giving a single skill or morph respec option means players don’t have to put any meaningful thought into the growth of their character ... especially when there now is the skill advisor built into the base game UI.

Sorry, but most people don't care about the"growth" of their character (whatever that even means). It's a simple QoL feature that we should have had ages ago. This will give people much more flexibility when switching from PvP to PvE. Not everyone has the time to make multiple characters for multiple purposes. It's a game that's supposed to be fun and convenience is king.

Exactly. My NB solo pug healer playstyle in PVP has been wrecked because I don't have access to Cloak anymore due to needing it in PVE when I tank; the Dark Cloak morph is absolutely mandatory as the self-sustain increase is insane. I've put a lot of thought into my character's growth and that's precisely why a one-skill morph option (via the OP's suggested interface or otherwise) is necessary. So I can play my very carefully built character the way I want to play it -- in all 3 roles, be it PVP or PVE. I don't have time to build a different character for every occasion. The people who do have that time aren't the ones with this problem.

rabb1t_ESO

SugaComa wrote: »

I'd rather have load outs

Totally different than what this post is about. Probably already other threads about that. Been requested since beta.

rabb1t_ESO

Update; Seems my estimate was off. Decided a few healing things should be changed, so WITH screenshots, WITH having my build 100% planned before respect, it took 30 minutes to do carefully.

While many think this isn't a big deal, remember that the majority of players will only play 1-2 hours a couple of nights a week, and likely won't have screenshots and a 100% set plan in advance. Again, this is a pretty huge investment for characters who have lots of skill points. (And again, the current system has zero 'undo' potential if they make even just one mistake during re-allocation.)

rabb1t_ESO

Yaaayyy. Watching a video of someone on the PTS, and they are showing that the respec shrines WILL work with the - / + system (as champion points do). So it looks like this is going in soon.

purple-magicb16_ESO

The skills respec should be done similar to the cp respec.

rabb1t_ESO

As above, it looks like it is on the PTS for the next dlc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv_dUNgjCkE

PlagueSD

rabb1t_ESO wrote: »

This one thinks an "advanced respec" option would be nice. An option to have repec for skills/morphs work like Champion Point respec. A single click would un-do a morph, a second click would untrain the skill entirely, and maybe an option next to the skill line to reset just that line.

With this one having like 400 skills, of which probably 385 are used at any given time, it is suuuuuuchhh a pain to respec. Like with the new Psijic line; some things were tried, would rather have those points back, but this khajiit would effectively need to respec about 380 points just to regain like 6. It would be so much easier and nicer for players with more points just to click a few times to adjust instead of hundreds.

Having a full wipe as an option would still be nice, but probably 'advanced respec' would be used 99% of the time if it were an option.

Guess what's coming in the Wolfhunter DLC...