Who should be running minor lifesteal

TheNightflame

the tooltip on my healer with quick siphon is significantly higher than on my tank with blood altar, but all tanks insist they run blood altar instead for the 'OP hot'. is it better for tanks to run minor lifesteal than a healer? I feel like there's never been a discussion on this, only people bringing up their ideas, so hopefully we can consolidate them here.

VaranisArano

From what I see online (and the skill sites might be outdated), the HOT from quick siphon and blood altar are the same (600 health) except that quick siphon gives the caster 150% more health back and blood altar has a synergy.

So from that, I can see why a tank might prefer to gain the synergy in addition to the same lifesteal (for them) and why you might prefer to get the higher lifesteal for yourself.

Tasear

The healer will have the stronger heal for it.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Whoever has the highest healing with minor life steal will be the one giving out the heal, so the tank is wasting his magic. I use siphon spirit on my temp sometimes and when I see the tank drop blood alter, I see my life steal still going out.

TheNightflame

that was my logic too but the tanks i run with insist on keeping the blood altar (they've got better scores/run more than me so I tend to just trust them)

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

In my opinion tanks usually run this because they have few second gaps from time to time where they don't have anything else to offer to the group. For example as main tank i cast blood altar when i dodge roll the steam breath on vAS+2. And i don't think that healing is that far off compared to healers for some trials as tanks can allocate some CP points into healing and also they have igneous shield which gives major mending for a few seconds.

Healers should focus on keeping the group buffed and making sure that people stay alive. I don't think that its best for them to cast it as it has a cast time and they might be needed to heal someone at that exact point in time. In addition to that on a positioning perspective the tank is in the center of the fight so when he casts it it is positioned better. But i don't play a healer so i cannot be sure on all of that.

TheNightflame

the cast time is lost when you morph it, but you're right in that casting it is still a cast that could've been an extra orb or (since people rarely pop them ) combat prayer. The topic is pretty grey/i haven't seen a set decision really, so all comments are good

AcadianPaladin

I run a templar healer. From my prospective, blood altar is a fine skill but there are just too many others I need to slot and I prefer the baseline combo of rapid regen/mutagen + extended ritual + combat prayer touched up with healing springs and BoL as an emergency burst. That's five primarily healing skills slotted already. Then I want EleDrain, shards and blockade for sure. That leaves me two 'flex spots'. Since I tend to run normals and sometimes with pugs or loose gaggles doing WBs, I really sometimes need the ability to 'face tank' a boss if cornered and there's no tank or the tank is busy - therefore I slot sweeps with channeled focus to sustain it. Then. . . I'm outta slots. . . as much as I'd like to also slot reflective light, purifying light, radiant glory. . . . So many skills, so little slots.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

@AcadianPaladin have you tried honor the dead instead of breath? I find it is much better, the secondary heal on breath is only like 3k non crit now on my temp, would be like 5k with a crit, my extended ritual hits for that, meanwhile, you get 15% back every cast with honor the dead, even if you have to spam cast it. Much better deal to me.

I run siphon spirit on my temp in most content, eledrain is better for trials, so I run that skill there there.

My bars normally look like this these days-

Front bar,

Vampires bane, honor the dead, siphon spirit, springs, combat prayer, ulti is empowering sweep for the adric spear passives.

Back bar

Extended ritual, purifying ritual, radiant glory, luminous shards, Lighting wall, ulti warhorn

For trials I swap out vamp bane for inner light, siphon spirit for radiant arua, shards for healing orbs and radiant glory for channeled focus.

thegenuinebuzz

A Tanks tooltip will be higher at peak times, as the only thing affecting that minor buff is Blessed CP( tanks have 100 in here) and the mending ( Tanks will igneous at high damage times), meaning your tank should run this buff, also as a healer your resto bar is cluttered enough and running force siphon typically gimps your build as you're dropping another important skill on your main heal bar.

FakeFox

It is entirely situational. I think the best case is having a healer run blood altar. But this is not always possible for a healer due to positioning and time issues, so sometimes tanks run it. There are two important things to note here, why a healer running it can be very strong. Firstly if the healer runs it the tank can synergize it for alkosh and a strong heal, secondly minor lifesteal procs SPC. Quick Siphon I wouldn't use at all except for very specific fights, blood altar is just so much stronger and more flexible and as long as you don't need it for SPC there is barely any reason to use quick siphon on a healer over blood altar on a tank.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

thegenuinebuzz wrote: »

A Tanks tooltip will be higher at peak times, as the only thing affecting that minor buff is Blessed CP( tanks have 100 in here) and the mending ( Tanks will igneous at high damage times), meaning your tank should run this buff, also as a healer your resto bar is cluttered enough and running force siphon typically gimps your build as you're dropping another important skill on your main heal bar.

Because all tanks are dragonknights, right. And it would be incredibly wastful to have 100 points into blessed. That last 1% is not worth 25 cp. I 100% know that a tanks, any tanks, even dks, will not have a higher tooltip then my Templar healer. I have a 44% increase to healing all the time, 14% blessed, 5% argonian, 2% healing mage, 8% from minor mending, 15% from the ritual mundas, then whenever I heavy attack with the resto I get that major mending you so preciously point out.

Berenhir

I don't think the return of minor lifesteal scales with the values of the caster so it doesn't matter who casts the ability that puts ml on the target

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Berenhir wrote: »

I don't think the return of minor lifesteal scales with the values of the caster so it doesn't matter who casts the ability that puts ml on the target

Minor life steal scales with all percentage amps of healing and it is who ever has the most percentage amps, ie whoever had the highest life steal value, will be the one to put out the heal.

SirMewser

Tasear wrote: »

The healer will have the stronger heal for it.

This!

It's like when you are the healer and you run regeneration...
Anyone but the healer casts that same skill, it replaces it, with a weaker heal.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

SirMewser wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

The healer will have the stronger heal for it.

This!

It's like when you are the healer and you run regeneration...
Anyone but the healer casts that same skill, it replaces it, with a weaker heal.

No it is not. The stonger life steal overrides the weaker. Try it out.

And regeneration stacks too.