Battleground matchmaking in its current state is... garbage

Veo

The matchmaking for bgs is complete garbage since the patch.

Please improve the following points:
Wait times are over 30 minutes per game for veterans.
Solo players still getting matched against premades.
Groups are not filled with 4 players... when the game starts
New players still face veterans and premades... (veterans log on small characters because of long wait times... and the brilliant idea of character based daily boxes...)
MMR and matchmaking not fully explained in the patchnotes.

The first step: explain your masterpiece of matchmaking system to your paying playerbase so we can give proper feedback

To be honest for a dev team with your experience and a studio with that much money... thats just a shameful display...

HeathenDeacon

i'll be honest i havent even tried to Q since update but from the sounds of things i'd be wasting my time.
I gotta say its a real shame becasue the previous system was 99% fine for me as just an average solo console player.
Sure there were matches where one team might dominate, but for the most part games were balanced enough for the 3 team setup.
Just having insta-queues makes up for one or two bad matches.
Matchmaking was by far passable enough before that i could even take in low cp/ complete pvp noobs and they would have fun.
I really don't see the point in mucking up the system like they did.
Going from insta- Q times to anything more than 5 minutes will just drive down interest from anyone except the hardcore.
IT will kill the player pool and you'll end up with more premade matches than before.

Veo

The first thing they could have done to improve the system is seperating premade and solo queues completely...
I guess they where afraid to few players queue for premade then and no premades get invites.
It would have still been better than what we have now.
Pitting premades against solo players is always wrong!

Apache_Kid

What sucks is that BGs during the Dragon Bones patch was the most fun ive had in PvP in this game. And now we have this. Sad.

Jaavaa

Yeah. This waiting times are ridiculous. 30 mins and more. No wonder no one wants to play bg atm. The game sucks so hard since last patch.

Veo

Jaavaa wrote: »

Yeah. This waiting times are ridiculous. 30 mins and more. No wonder no one wants to play bg atm. The game sucks so hard since last patch.

Im pretty sure more players play bgs now but most of them queue up for the boxes and the motif you can get...
So the numbers increased thats all that counts here. Pretty sure zos thinks thats a huge success on their side.
At least i cant believe new players enjoy bgs...
It would be nice to hear from some new players who tried bgs now that they are free for all and if they enjoyed them.

griffkhalifa

Veo wrote: »

The matchmaking for bgs is complete garbage since the patch.

Please improve the following points:
Wait times are over 30 minutes per game for veterans.
Solo players still getting matched against premades.
Groups are not filled with 4 players... when the game starts
New players still face veterans and premades... (veterans log on small characters because of long wait times... and the brilliant idea of character based daily boxes...)
MMR and matchmaking not fully explained in the patchnotes.

The first step: explain your masterpiece of matchmaking system to your paying playerbase so we can give proper feedback

To be honest for a dev team with your experience and a studio with that much money... thats just a shameful display...

Since when is that stuff new? Literally been like that since they introduced BG's.

Orange_fire_dragon

Yeah I consistently get matched up vs 2 premade teams meanwhile my team is filled with solo que and a lot of times people at under 100cp that die easily because they dont have no gear at that point yet.

ak_pvp

Last patch was amazing for bgs. This patch they are absolute trash. Kinda sad tbh.

Beyond the bad balance it's awful too.

Que bugs (multiple fails, infinite no match ques that need restarts,) incomplete teams, loadscreen+desync bugs that have been since morrow are worse now. And the worsened premade MM.

Just separate the queues.

VexingArcanist

Just here to concur.

Peekachu99

Queues should be separate, full stop. If you queue up with even one other person, you wait till it matches you with another set of 2.

ChunkyCat

So I have to disagree with this whole BGs matchmaking takes too long.

If my queue goes for 5 minutes, I leave the queue then rejoin. Within minutes, I’m in a match. Am I exploiting something? Or is the queue just laggy and broken?

The only real issues I see with BG is the load screen bug after you’re killed in a match. In a time sensitive game, being stuck in a queue for 3-4 minutes is a deal breaker for winning. I don’t know what causes it, or triggers it, but it’s usually accompanied by seeing your opponents as walking “corpses” that you can’t target. This leading you into another 3-4 minute load screen.

For every 10 games I play, I’d say two or three are destined for the load screen bug.

ArchMikem

My only issue is being placed against premades who know exactly what theyre doing. The 4 grand warlords in full impen with the sword and shield Dragonknight dps cheese.

They might as well force players to not already be in a group if they want to queue, since trying to separate premades and solos would be too difficult.

Apache_Kid

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Queues should be separate, full stop. If you queue up with even one other person, you wait till it matches you with another set of 2.

The queues should be set up in whichever way causes me to find a match the fastest.

But then again i can actually handle losing and don't come to the message boards to make a thread whining about how a clearly superior team beat me and how bad pre-mades are every time i lose a match (you know who you are) .

Sometimes i win sometimes i lose. Almost every time i lose, it's because the other team was better than my team. That is ok.

AlienatedGoat

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Queues should be separate, full stop. If you queue up with even one other person, you wait till it matches you with another set of 2.

The queues should be set up in whichever way causes me to find a match the fastest.

But then again i can actually handle losing and don't come to the message boards to make a thread whining about how a clearly superior team beat me and how bad pre-mades are every time i lose a match (you know who you are) .

Sometimes i win sometimes i lose. Almost every time i lose, it's because the other team was better than my team. That is ok.

Except that isn't the case. You can sit in BG for many matches, and be matched up against premades the entire time.

Even Alcast streamed the new BG and had this issue. In the end he just gave up on BG because it was just straight premades stomping his PUG groups. They weren't even scoring.

That's not sporting. If teams were matched evenly starting out, on a level playing field (read even team selection), that would be sporting. What you're describing isn't that.

If another team is superior after you've been matched fairly, that would be a fair win. But what is actually happening is that the system stacks a premade team with a far superior advantage against a PUG team or two that is at a far larger disadvantage. This creates a huge gap between the teams, to the point that you commonly have matches where its 5XX/0/0.

Again, this wouldn't be as bad of a problem if it didn't happen so frequently. Queuing into BG PUGs you are far more likely to get stomped by a premade than you are to have a fair match against other PUGs.

How is it remotely even or fair to have matches so badly skewed that the other 2 teams can't even score points?

AlienatedGoat

Phage wrote: »

That's not sporting. If teams were matched evenly starting out, on a level playing field (read even team selection), that would be sporting. What you're describing isn't that.

To make a real world analogy, a fair match would be one MLB team matched against another MLB team. Regardless of each team's relative skill, at least they are in the same league. So it's fair.

What's actually happening here is that the MLB team is being matched against Little League teams, made up from names drawn from a hat.

That's not fair at all.

zaria

Apache_Kid wrote: »

What sucks is that BGs during the Dragon Bones patch was the most fun ive had in PvP in this game. And now we have this. Sad.

Its now open for all so lots new players will try it, also the xp and ap bonuses even then loosing make it tempting to run an noob or junk build trough it, and yes its as nice as getting fake in an vet dlc.
From the few times I tried BG and from the design it obviously for experienced PvP players and obviosly an pre formed group of them would slaughter any non pre formed group.

MrDenimChicken

IDK I played BGs for 3 hours yesterday on 3 different characters and all the matches were close and pretty even. This was solo queue. And there weren't those blowouts from grenades just stomping everyone.

Kalante

i swear eso is the only place were people call a team "premades" never heard that before and iv'e played fps games since 2007.

Troneon

RIP BG

Gprime31

Veo wrote: »

The matchmaking for bgs is complete garbage since the patch.

Please improve the following points:
Wait times are over 30 minutes per game for veterans.
Solo players still getting matched against premades.
Groups are not filled with 4 players... when the game starts
New players still face veterans and premades... (veterans log on small characters because of long wait times... and the brilliant idea of character based daily boxes...)
MMR and matchmaking not fully explained in the patchnotes.

The first step: explain your masterpiece of matchmaking system to your paying playerbase so we can give proper feedback

To be honest for a dev team with your experience and a studio with that much money... thats just a shameful display...

Just put on sloads Zaan and duroks you’ll be fine

Apache_Kid

Phage wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Queues should be separate, full stop. If you queue up with even one other person, you wait till it matches you with another set of 2.

The queues should be set up in whichever way causes me to find a match the fastest.

But then again i can actually handle losing and don't come to the message boards to make a thread whining about how a clearly superior team beat me and how bad pre-mades are every time i lose a match (you know who you are) .

Sometimes i win sometimes i lose. Almost every time i lose, it's because the other team was better than my team. That is ok.

Except that isn't the case. You can sit in BG for many matches, and be matched up against premades the entire time.

Even Alcast streamed the new BG and had this issue. In the end he just gave up on BG because it was just straight premades stomping his PUG groups. They weren't even scoring.

That's not sporting. If teams were matched evenly starting out, on a level playing field (read even team selection), that would be sporting. What you're describing isn't that.

If another team is superior after you've been matched fairly, that would be a fair win. But what is actually happening is that the system stacks a premade team with a far superior advantage against a PUG team or two that is at a far larger disadvantage. This creates a huge gap between the teams, to the point that you commonly have matches where its 5XX/0/0.

Again, this wouldn't be as bad of a problem if it didn't happen so frequently. Queuing into BG PUGs you are far more likely to get stomped by a premade than you are to have a fair match against other PUGs.

How is it remotely even or fair to have matches so badly skewed that the other 2 teams can't even score points?

Im not saying the old way was perfect.

What im saying is that the old way was so much better, in Dragon Bones, with its flaws, than what we have now.

They tried to "fix" it due to all the complaining and this is what we got.

Recremen

How does one become a veteran BG player? My main is Grand Overlord in alliance rank but I haven't done a super huge number of BG, and so far I've been queued against a huge wealth of players. Also I'd like a definition on "premades". It's so hard to tell since many people are good at sticking together and coordinating, the only thing I can see is if you notice 4 people on the same team match after match. Usually I notice two people at best like that.

molecule

In the last 2 days - Played 9 won 2 - seems nothing has changed for random BGs'

1 team always walks it

Strider__Roshin

Kalante wrote: »

i swear eso is the only place were people call a team "premades" never heard that before and iv'e played fps games since 2007.

No kidding. The adult thing to do would be to try to team up with others, but this community is much more of a fan of whining and stomping their feet. I solo queue all the time, and when I encounter a premade I try to look at group composition and find a weakness; the group's keystone you could say.

Thogard

If you're bad at PvP and/or haven't played a lot of BGs on your character, then you'll love the new system.

If you're good at PvP AND have played a lot of BGs on your character, then you'll hate the new system because it will make you wait a VERY long time before giving you a match, force you to fight premades, or both.

It really really sucks to be a high MMR solo queuer right now. You get to always be the one fighting the premades, and you have to wait a long time to do it.

If you're low MMR... it's great. Other than the whole sloads / mag sorcs / mag NBs spamming status effects on everyone thing. but that's a separate issue

xS Foxy

More 700 bgs Wins before summerset and since summerset impossible to match a bgs on console.. the matchmaker are ridiculous atm... the others old bgs players have the same problem.. summerset = end of bgs for us...Ever the same random players who match.

elijafire

Never say die!

Eli

NeillMcAttack

You can not queue if you are in a group. So why are we complaining about pre-mades?

The way matchmaking works, as far as I can tell. To balance a high MMR player, it only needs to balance 1 more high mmr player for each team, and then fills out with all the players that just want dailies done or whatever. It’s not that you need to wait for another 11 high MMR players to start a game.

If you are waiting for more than 10 mins the queue is bugged and you should reset it. 9 times out of 10 you will have one within minutes.

Finally, BG’s are one of the only things that are fun right now in the game. Trials and Cyro are pretty broken and causing a lot of people to lose faith in the games future. Sure there are rare instances of a skill needing more than one press, but overall, the games are more balanced and performance seems.. fine.

Dusk_Coven

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

You can not queue if you are in a group. So why are we complaining about pre-mades?

Because this is a 2018 necro.

relentless_turnip

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

You can not queue if you are in a group. So why are we complaining about pre-mades?

The way matchmaking works, as far as I can tell. To balance a high MMR player, it only needs to balance 1 more high mmr player for each team, and then fills out with all the players that just want dailies done or whatever. It’s not that you need to wait for another 11 high MMR players to start a game.

If you are waiting for more than 10 mins the queue is bugged and you should reset it. 9 times out of 10 you will have one within minutes.

Finally, BG’s are one of the only things that are fun right now in the game. Trials and Cyro are pretty broken and causing a lot of people to lose faith in the games future. Sure there are rare instances of a skill needing more than one press, but overall, the games are more balanced and performance seems.. fine.

it was june 2018 and he was upset