Is the "Stealthy" passive super necessary/helpful for Nightblades? (for PvE & PvP)

RGD

So I've got a Bosmer (Wood Elf) Stamina Nightblade, and I enjoy Nightblades in general, but there's something bugging me. The cosmetic aspect of my Bosmer, I'm a stickler for the visual aspect of a character keeping me interested in playing it, so I've been interested in switching over to Reguard Nightblade, however I'm unsure how useful the Stealthy passive may be to the Nightblades arsenal. I'm aware of how good Reguards are for Stamina overall, but I don't wanna screw myself if I decide to do some PvP in-and-out ganking or some assassin type gameplay in PvE by not having the passive.

Can anyone enlighten me? is the 10% stealth damage bonus & reduced detection radius super useful?

Nox_Noir

It's very strong for PVP ganking, and pretty much useless for PVE.
The sneak damage bonus is absolutely useless in PVE, if you wanna "gank" PVE mobs, pretty much any weapon heavy attack from sneak will do, or you just use the blade of woe, and the only use case i can think of where the detection radius would help a bit is dark brotherhood and thieves guild heists/sacrements, or farming pickpocketing.
For PVE DPS this passiv is 100% useless

Shinshadow

If only they would implement a stealth mechanic for nightblades in PvE endgame. . . that would be the gameplay that I dream about.

hakan

from what ive heard their passive also works everytime you shadowy disguise, so yeah ten percent is powerful. and even tho they are minimal bosmer also have poison and disease resistance ( around 2 percent less damagr taken) and immune to status effects, that helps too. and again bosmers 21 percent passive is always active

i am, too, torn between changing my dunmer stamblade into bosmer or khajiit but i have done so many things with her and already rocking pvp with her. i dont think i need a race change. bosmers male are ugly.

RGD

hakan wrote: »

i am, too, torn between changing my dunmer stamblade into bosmer or khajiit but i have done so many things with her and already rocking pvp with her. i dont think i need a race change. bosmers male are ugly.

So you're using Dunmer and doing perfectly fine? Are you ganking by chance? I've seen a lot of Nightblades that can 1 shot certain people in PvP from stealth, or near to it, and usually they're Wood Elves. I just want to know if I can do the same with a Redguard instead of a Wood Elf, as you put it, they're not the greatest looking, my main thing is how tiny they are compared to everyone else, I believe Bosmer males are even shorter with their maximum height than females.

dovakiin5574

PvP don't go without it

PvE if you want to do Thieve's Guild or Dark Brotherhood it can be helpful

evoniee

its useless if you cant utilize cloak. Its good passive, but it wasted if only doing it the same way. bad example is, Snipe with crouch and use bow 24/7.

hakan

RGD wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

i am, too, torn between changing my dunmer stamblade into bosmer or khajiit but i have done so many things with her and already rocking pvp with her. i dont think i need a race change. bosmers male are ugly.

So you're using Dunmer and doing perfectly fine? Are you ganking by chance? I've seen a lot of Nightblades that can 1 shot certain people in PvP from stealth, or near to it, and usually they're Wood Elves. I just want to know if I can do the same with a Redguard instead of a Wood Elf, as you put it, they're not the greatest looking, my main thing is how tiny they are compared to everyone else, I believe Bosmer males are even shorter with their maximum height than females.

yes im perfectly fine with dunmer stamblade. i dont remember if i one shotted someone but i deal huge burst damage anyway. what you mention is about builds. i have 2,9 k regen 2,5 k wep damage unbuffed ( only dubious throne drink active) using bone pirate and eternal hunt set and i deal more than fine damage. it isnt specialized in one shotting.

if you gonna make a bosmer, make it female. there are lots pf beautiful female bosmers but guys suck.

DDuke

Main problem with the passive is that it only buffs up the attacks that land while you're in stealth.

That means if light attack is the first thing to land and break stealth that is what gets buffed and nothing else.


I think the passive used to be a lot better back when batswarm had a refreshing invisibility morph.

Also in the latest patch they indirectly nerfed this passive by making Ambush/Lotus fan break cloak when they deal damage (that used to be one of the few ways of dealing damage while keeping stealth).


Probably the best applications for it now are DoT builds (yes, it buffs DoT ticks while stealthed) & long range snipe builds.

Gprime31

I play an orc med nightblade. It’s very good and fun, so no not necessary stealth passive

Ostacia

Male bosmer can be made to be very nice looking. Here's mine:

GreenSoup2HoT

How do you pvp?

Do you use strong abilities out of stealth alot as openers? Snipe/Surprise Attack/Flying Blade/Onslaught?

Do you use Cloak and respond with a Surprise Attack Stun often?

Do you sneak around and find pvpers before they see you?


Honestly Woodelf in my opinion is one of the strongest races for stamina nightblade pvp openworld.

Ive thought about changing my Imperial Nightblades race to Woodelf many times but i just havent done it yet. Wish Zeni would rework Red Diamond for none health builds.

I would say Woodelf has very strong passives for todays meta and everyday im tempted to switch my Imperial nightblade.

GrumpyDuckling

RGD wrote: »

So I've got a Bosmer (Wood Elf) Stamina Nightblade, and I enjoy Nightblades in general, but there's something bugging me. The cosmetic aspect of my Bosmer, I'm a stickler for the visual aspect of a character keeping me interested in playing it, so I've been interested in switching over to Reguard Nightblade, however I'm unsure how useful the Stealthy passive may be to the Nightblades arsenal. I'm aware of how good Reguards are for Stamina overall, but I don't wanna screw myself if I decide to do some PvP in-and-out ganking or some assassin type gameplay in PvE by not having the passive.

Can anyone enlighten me? is the 10% stealth damage bonus & reduced detection radius super useful?

It's beautiful for PVE assassin and thief gameplay. Combining all of the following is awesome:

- Stealthy passive on Khajiit/Bosmer for reduced detection radius
- 7 medium armor pieces for reduced detection radius
- 5 pieces of Night Mother's Embrace
- 3 pieces of Night Terror

Strider__Roshin

For ganking in PvP, yes. Any other situation, no.

cpuScientist

For ganking as in trying to kill in one shot it is good. But really stamBlades don't need it that much. Redguard will make sustain easy and will give higher damage on all non stealth hits. If you play a bow gank build then woodelf would be best. But if you play the more usual stamBlade the rollerBlade kind of way where you kill with more of a burst rotation like a heavy poison from stealth and then go in and incap and all that jazz. Redguard is fine. If you play heavy stamBlade redguard is better as well.

Switch to redguard that passive will not make or break a stamBlade. Redguard is seen as second best choice for stamBlade tied with khajiit. DO IT!!! And then in PvE it is the best race wholly. So slightly worst in PvP and alot better in PvE.

Olen_Mikko

For PvP - ganking, it is very powerful.

For PvE - pretty much useless, you can burst down any mob with just reapers mark -> ambush from stealth -> Killers blade

mr_wazzabi

I actually think they should get rid of the 10% damage from stealth and make it 3% extra stam or wd at all times. Keep the stealth detection radius buff.

Woodelves are only a pvp race and to a certain extent, so are khajiit.

For pve, it's pretty much redguard for everything.

Maryal

It's highly useful in pve if you enjoy immersing yourself as a stealthy thieving sort of character with a preference for avoiding (pve) fights/agro. Note: nothing works on npcs that have 'true sight' - they'll see you even if you were to use an invis. potion

I've mained a wood elf for over 3 years, do both pvp and pve. I also have two max-level alts (not wood elfs) and there is a noticeable difference in how often I get detected while trying to be stealthy (doing the same content) in pve.

I don't pvp with my alts, so I can't give you a comparison there.

mr_wazzabi

Maryal wrote: »

It's highly useful in pve if you enjoy immersing yourself as a stealthy thieving sort of character with a preference for avoiding (pve) fights/agro. Note: nothing works on npcs that have 'true sight' - they'll see you even if you were to use an invis. potion

I've mained a wood elf for over 3 years, do both pvp and pve. I also have two max-level alts (not wood elfs) and there is a noticeable difference in how often I get detected while trying to be stealthy (doing the same content) in pve.

I don't pvp with my alts, so I can't give you a comparison there.

For questing and overland content, which is extremely easy.

For challenging content:

Vet dungeons, trials, arenas, many mobs have truesight. Aside from that, even the low health mobs have health so high that the gank attack won't finish them.

It's a wasted racial passive as it can only ever buff your very first attack.

RGD

cpuScientist wrote: »

Switch to redguard that passive will not make or break a stamBlade. Redguard is seen as second best choice for stamBlade tied with khajiit. DO IT!!! And then in PvE it is the best race wholly. So slightly worst in PvP and alot better in PvE.

I'm kinda stuck between Khajiit and Redguard right now. I have a Redguard Stam DK and that works beautifully, sustain isn't an issue, but I feel it's just how I play him rather than the race doing so much. I was leaning towards Khajiit purely because it's something abit different from my other characters looks wise, but I'm concerned if I use the token on Khajiit I'll regret it if my sustain suffers hugely.

As I know, literally all the Redguard passives are sustain-based, whereas the Khajiit is not. Khajiit gets low stam and health recovery (which I've heard is practically useless,) then stealthy (which might help in PvP) and the extra crit (which would be mainly useful in PvE, and against non-impen wearing players which is basically no one except a handful of newer players.)

cpuScientist

RGD wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

Switch to redguard that passive will not make or break a stamBlade. Redguard is seen as second best choice for stamBlade tied with khajiit. DO IT!!! And then in PvE it is the best race wholly. So slightly worst in PvP and alot better in PvE.

I'm kinda stuck between Khajiit and Redguard right now. I have a Redguard Stam DK and that works beautifully, sustain isn't an issue, but I feel it's just how I play him rather than the race doing so much. I was leaning towards Khajiit purely because it's something abit different from my other characters looks wise, but I'm concerned if I use the token on Khajiit I'll regret it if my sustain suffers hugely.

As I know, literally all the Redguard passives are sustain-based, whereas the Khajiit is not. Khajiit gets low stam and health recovery (which I've heard is practically useless,) then stealthy (which might help in PvP) and the extra crit (which would be mainly useful in PvE, and against non-impen wearing players which is basically no one except a handful of newer players.)

Remove the passive on your stamDK and play for a bit and see how it feels. Though also remember that stamBlades stack into Regen hard. So yeah.

Khajiit I've ran it and I just stacked into Regen and it was fiiiiiine. I had a tail it was great. The health recovery I liked for when I ran troll king. Besides that. I'd say go redguard if not wood elf.

In pve though you will 100% feel the sustain difference of any Stam character not a redguard

Maryal

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Maryal wrote: »

It's highly useful in pve if you enjoy immersing yourself as a stealthy thieving sort of character with a preference for avoiding (pve) fights/agro. Note: nothing works on npcs that have 'true sight' - they'll see you even if you were to use an invis. potion

I've mained a wood elf for over 3 years, do both pvp and pve. I also have two max-level alts (not wood elfs) and there is a noticeable difference in how often I get detected while trying to be stealthy (doing the same content) in pve.

I don't pvp with my alts, so I can't give you a comparison there.

For questing and overland content, which is extremely easy.

For challenging content:

Vet dungeons, trials, arenas, many mobs have truesight. Aside from that, even the low health mobs have health so high that the gank attack won't finish them.

It's a wasted racial passive as it can only ever buff your very first attack.

Doing TG heists, pick-pocketing, stealing, and farming in mob-infested areas can be boring, or you can spice it up by doing a bit of stealthy RP'ing and make it a lot of fun. Yea, I could kill those mobs easily, but that's not the point and killing them straight out would suck the fun out of that sort of immersive adventure. I've even done a bit of solo farming in Hel Ra Citadel ( from the point after you cross the long bridge to the area immediately before the first boss fight).

What I've learned from my stealthy solo adventures is that in many group dungeons a fair number of mobs do NOT have true sight, but once detected, you're SOL when it comes to getting back into stealth (at that point you have to kill them). Through a lot of trial & error you can get a good idea what the detection radius is for mobs in various group dungeons.

It's a valuable racial passive for those who enjoy RP'ing adventures.

I won't go into the benefits of stealth in combat, other than to say, the damage bonus from striking in stealth is useful in both pve and pvp.

RGD

cpuScientist wrote: »

In pve though you will 100% feel the sustain difference of any Stam character not a redguard

Is it a really big difference or can you make up for it with some stam regen glyphs or something of the like on a non-redguard race?