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Sad State of Vivec/PC/NA

SwampRaider
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2 campaigns in a row now, EP has come up 5k points ahead of DC and AD. with DC and AD fighting tooth and nail for second place. THIS IS THE MOST POPULAR CAMPAIGN.

what is going on with this campaign? I really would like us as a campaign to hash this out and fix this. For many of us, its depressing to log in every day.

What is EP doing right? is it Time zones?
What is EP doing wrong?


What is DC doing right?
What is DC doing wrong?

What is AD doing right?
What is AD doing wrong?

This is such a large score margin, Especially with the new scroll system. With EP holding all scrolls constantly. its a kick in the balls. DC is trying its hardest, with old blood and trying to learn new tricks. DC as a faction JUST START learning how to defend keeps

I want this to be a great discussion so us as a campaign can come out on top

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Edited by SwampRaider on June 6, 2018 11:20PM
Character: Eros, Eros I I, The Paw of Woe
Class: Templar Healer/MagWarden/ Stam Sorc
Alliance: DC
Campaign: Vivec (pc/na)
Guardians of Daggerfall
  • gabriebe
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    DC lacks leadership, plain and simple. Every time I log in not a single guild is doing anything interesting, or communicating it. GoD, IA and SG do things, but they can't be online all the time. But apart from that, we're kinda lacking a hard hitting guild. And it seems like every time DC is on a winning streak, they seem to back off because of campaign imbalance worries. EP isnt particularly worried about those things.

    AD... exists. Mostly on other campaigns.
    Edited by gabriebe on June 7, 2018 1:50AM
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    The runts: The Trolly Spirit (Tank Sorc), Floods-Your-Basement (Magden Healer) , Féline Dion (StamDK)

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    s: Janis Javelin (Stamplar, EP), Doris From Dispatch (Magblade Healer, AD)

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  • VaranisArano
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    For the current and last campaigns, many players were preparing for Summerset or playing Summerset.

    The campaign before that, AD won.

    For myself, I'm an EP loyalist, whether EP is winning or losing, and interested enough in PVP to consistently play despite a new PVE expansion. Nor have I noticed a significant decline in primetime play from AD or DC.
    Edited by VaranisArano on June 7, 2018 2:17AM
  • WuffyCerulei
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    AD and DC need more of a presence. More people, more guilds running, or even just more solo people running. EP not has the guilds but also a large amount of good solo players and small groups.
    If AD stopped hiding in Shor and Sotha, we'd have more competition.
    I will kick everyone's butt, even my own.

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  • Durham
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    There is not many AD in shore lol... most of the score from that campaign is from day capping.. AD goes two bars the same as the other two faction at prime time and they lose keeps when that happens map looks normal for a while.. Many of the AD on shore have pretty much always been there... Most do not like the lag of Vevic.... why play pvp when your bar does not work! NOPE staying on shore and will only visit on lag Vivec...
    In fact I have 3 guildies that will be forced to quit if they are forced to play on Vivec ...for some reason they cannot play there the lag is to much for them...
    Edited by Durham on June 7, 2018 3:04AM
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  • Ackwalan
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    Right now AD has a very strong and very large zerg group running. The problem is, all that group does is farm AP. The more they farm AP the more pug groups join them. The 2nd part of problem is, you won't win a campaign when the entire alliance is in one spot. They can take a keep very quickly, but then they will spend 30 - 45 minutes running around a resource while they loose 5X the ground they took.
    Edited by Ackwalan on June 7, 2018 6:56AM
  • barshemm
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    Spent a couple days on my DC.

    From what I saw there was only a couple who did call outs and watched the map.

    Mavador tried to encourage and steer the faction and was getting grief for it, and he's a nice guy who knows the map.

    Never saw any communication between the guild or guilds calling out where they are going. Too worried about spies.

    Back on EP, things are quiet and there are people in zone calling out the keeps they are scouting. A guild moves towards and objective and calls out if they want help or what pugs can hit to assist. Basically EP runs as a faction, DC doesn't.
  • JaZ2091
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    EP and AD have the same guilds running both factions. Probably going to stop soon, no wonder PVP is abandoned.
  • SwampRaider
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    barshemm wrote: »
    Spent a couple days on my DC.

    From what I saw there was only a couple who did call outs and watched the map.

    Mavador tried to encourage and steer the faction and was getting grief for it, and he's a nice guy who knows the map.

    Never saw any communication between the guild or guilds calling out where they are going. Too worried about spies.

    Back on EP, things are quiet and there are people in zone calling out the keeps they are scouting. A guild moves towards and objective and calls out if they want help or what pugs can hit to assist. Basically EP runs as a faction, DC doesn't.

    Really? I know from experience at least My guild calls out what we are assaulting. I personally make it known if im solo sieging a keep and need assistance. maybe it depends on the time zone. No one is worried about spies from my understanding
    Character: Eros, Eros I I, The Paw of Woe
    Class: Templar Healer/MagWarden/ Stam Sorc
    Alliance: DC
    Campaign: Vivec (pc/na)
    Guardians of Daggerfall
  • Agrippa_Invisus
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    A portion of this is due to the fact that ESO is an aging game, with a declining PVP population due to performance and lack of content issues.

    This is not a community that is getting enough new blood to replace the retirements and the burnouts. And as people vanish, each of the three factions weakens in different ways.

    Right now EP is the Bandwagon faction, swelling their numbers a bit and strengthening them just when they don't need it. Those newer players are in for a harsh reality check when they don't have that lead to crutch on.

    AD is the faction where you're either in a guild or you're cannon fodder for the meat grinder that is the AP farm. Not a lot between and due to that, not much gets accomplished if the guilds aren't on.

    DC is the faction where everyone gets together and zergs one place down. Split them up and they're just not very impressive at the moment. They've lost every single one of their 'elite' guilds, much of which was the fault of other members of the faction, and are having to rebuild that from nothing.
    Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
    DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Ebonheart
    Once a General, now a Citizen
    Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
    For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!
  • jaime1982
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    Ad doesn't fight DC tooth and nail for 2nd place lol. They're like EP's little annoying brother that kicks you when your down and busy with big brother.
  • jerj6925
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    2 campaigns in a row now, EP has come up 5k points ahead of DC and AD. with DC and AD fighting tooth and nail for second place. THIS IS THE MOST POPULAR CAMPAIGN.

    what is going on with this campaign? I really would like us as a campaign to hash this out and fix this. For many of us, its depressing to log in every day.

    What is EP doing right? is it Time zones?
    What is EP doing wrong?


    What is DC doing right?
    What is DC doing wrong?

    What is AD doing right?
    What is AD doing wrong?

    This is such a large score margin, Especially with the new scroll system. With EP holding all scrolls constantly. its a kick in the balls. DC is trying its hardest, with old blood and trying to learn new tricks. DC as a faction JUST START learning how to defend keeps

    I want this to be a great discussion so us as a campaign can come out on top

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    Its very simply, the developers have ignored a very important rule... never underestimate the ability of the player base to F things up. You see Most have decided in order to maximize the rewards with the least amount of effort is to decide what faction will win and simply play those characters in those factions. the rewards can be shared with your other characters with your vault.

    Example on the PS4 N/A servers in Vivec AD will win every single time by 5K plus in points, and in shore EP will win every single time and DC is only used to capture empty keeps in those campaigns so the player predetermined winning alliance can score AP points for the rewards.

    There is no more real alliance vs alliance, there will be those who will say this is untrue but they are only defending what they are benefiting from. I don't even know if they removed one alliance if that would bring back true alliance vs alliance as the same thing can simply be done with two alliances only.

    The only way to get close to a fix would be to force people to pick an alliance and all your characters would then be in that alliance for the duration of the campaign.. but as its already been decided what alliance will win on what server by the player base even if at this point if developers stopped alliance hopping the current winning alliance will keep their populations and continue to win by large leads.

    My prediction when this will end is when a new game releases that pulls all these people away leaving behind only the players who really try to play the game as it was meant to be.. but then population levels will be so low it will only be those who refuse to leave a game until servers are shut down. Think of games like dark age of Camelot, ever quest 1 and 2 and the likes.
  • SwampRaider
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    A portion of this is due to the fact that ESO is an aging game, with a declining PVP population due to performance and lack of content issues.

    This is not a community that is getting enough new blood to replace the retirements and the burnouts. And as people vanish, each of the three factions weakens in different ways.

    Right now EP is the Bandwagon faction, swelling their numbers a bit and strengthening them just when they don't need it. Those newer players are in for a harsh reality check when they don't have that lead to crutch on.

    AD is the faction where you're either in a guild or you're cannon fodder for the meat grinder that is the AP farm. Not a lot between and due to that, not much gets accomplished if the guilds aren't on.

    DC is the faction where everyone gets together and zergs one place down. Split them up and they're just not very impressive at the moment. They've lost every single one of their 'elite' guilds, much of which was the fault of other members of the faction, and are having to rebuild that from nothing.

    I love playing "zerg the zone general down" it's a fun game.

    As a DC raid leader of a meat grinder guild and a zone general, I haven't reached xylena or Agrippa status. I thankfully don't get zerged down
    Character: Eros, Eros I I, The Paw of Woe
    Class: Templar Healer/MagWarden/ Stam Sorc
    Alliance: DC
    Campaign: Vivec (pc/na)
    Guardians of Daggerfall
  • Agrippa_Invisus
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    A portion of this is due to the fact that ESO is an aging game, with a declining PVP population due to performance and lack of content issues.

    This is not a community that is getting enough new blood to replace the retirements and the burnouts. And as people vanish, each of the three factions weakens in different ways.

    Right now EP is the Bandwagon faction, swelling their numbers a bit and strengthening them just when they don't need it. Those newer players are in for a harsh reality check when they don't have that lead to crutch on.

    AD is the faction where you're either in a guild or you're cannon fodder for the meat grinder that is the AP farm. Not a lot between and due to that, not much gets accomplished if the guilds aren't on.

    DC is the faction where everyone gets together and zergs one place down. Split them up and they're just not very impressive at the moment. They've lost every single one of their 'elite' guilds, much of which was the fault of other members of the faction, and are having to rebuild that from nothing.

    I love playing "zerg the zone general down" it's a fun game.

    As a DC raid leader of a meat grinder guild and a zone general, I haven't reached xylena or Agrippa status. I thankfully don't get zerged down

    Considering I've been zerged down by the Bloodthorn blueberry brigade and the Wabbajack AD onslaught before, I can definitely say 'back in my day' we got zerged going up hill, both ways. These young whippersnappers don't know what a proper zerg is anymore.

    But hey, if folks listen to me when I say stuff in /zone, it just shows their good taste and intelligence.

    Edited by Agrippa_Invisus on June 12, 2018 6:51PM
    Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
    DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Ebonheart
    Once a General, now a Citizen
    Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
    For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!
  • SwampRaider
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    So I haven't PVPd in Vivic for like a day and a half. How did the margin between DC and AD get even larger? I remember it being like 2,000 and now it's like past 4000
    Character: Eros, Eros I I, The Paw of Woe
    Class: Templar Healer/MagWarden/ Stam Sorc
    Alliance: DC
    Campaign: Vivec (pc/na)
    Guardians of Daggerfall
  • Agrippa_Invisus
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    So I haven't PVPd in Vivic for like a day and a half. How did the margin between DC and AD get even larger? I remember it being like 2,000 and now it's like past 4000

    AD performing even more poorly than usual in off hours.

    Early this morning while I checked from work, AD was sitting in Roe and had, literally, nothing else on the board. Not a resource, not a scroll. They did not have emp either. They just all apparently refused to leave the keep and let everything else get taken.

    Consistent performance like that is going to just ruin your standing, and the morning AD have been utterly helpless lately.
    Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
    DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Ebonheart
    Once a General, now a Citizen
    Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
    For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!
  • SwampRaider
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    RIP Balanced PVP vivec
    Character: Eros, Eros I I, The Paw of Woe
    Class: Templar Healer/MagWarden/ Stam Sorc
    Alliance: DC
    Campaign: Vivec (pc/na)
    Guardians of Daggerfall
  • anadandy
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    So I haven't PVPd in Vivic for like a day and a half. How did the margin between DC and AD get even larger? I remember it being like 2,000 and now it's like past 4000

    Purely anecdotal based on my recent experiences - it's because it seems like AD is in Shor locking it down. Every day I log in and it's DC and EP at trikeeps or less, zero scrolls. They don't even have their own towns. There is usually a little push by the other factions but map is yellow again shortly.
    Edited by anadandy on June 13, 2018 12:56PM
  • Durham
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    anadandy wrote: »
    So I haven't PVPd in Vivic for like a day and a half. How did the margin between DC and AD get even larger? I remember it being like 2,000 and now it's like past 4000

    Purely anecdotal based on my recent experiences - it's because it seems like AD is in Shor locking it down. Every day I log in and it's DC and EP at trikeeps or less, zero scrolls. They don't even have their own towns. There is usually a little push by the other factions but map is yellow again shortly.

    No there is not a ton AD on shore ... just 10-12 that run and day cap ... Last night 8pm Red was 3 bars on Shore also ... maybe because they had a long Q on Vevic .. There was only 1 bar of yellow on Shore... Later in the night it was 2 bars yellow, blue, Red....

    There are just more RED then the other two factions combined in PVP... PVP population has now declined to the point where Vevic weaker factions can no longer hold a constant dependable population.. Even on Shore when Qs add up on Vevic red it gets over ran with RED... Yellow are pushed back to the Tri-Keeps meanwhile on Shore Yellow is at 1 to 2 bars ... Vevic yellows are at 3 bars .... Also keep in mind most of the shore players tend to like the small scale fights not the faction stacks that happen on Vevic with lag reducing the game to slide shows for some people.....
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  • Durham
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    A portion of this is due to the fact that ESO is an aging game, with a declining PVP population due to performance and lack of content issues.

    This is not a community that is getting enough new blood to replace the retirements and the burnouts. And as people vanish, each of the three factions weakens in different ways.

    Right now EP is the Bandwagon faction, swelling their numbers a bit and strengthening them just when they don't need it. Those newer players are in for a harsh reality check when they don't have that lead to crutch on.

    AD is the faction where you're either in a guild or you're cannon fodder for the meat grinder that is the AP farm. Not a lot between and due to that, not much gets accomplished if the guilds aren't on.

    DC is the faction where everyone gets together and zergs one place down. Split them up and they're just not very impressive at the moment. They've lost every single one of their 'elite' guilds, much of which was the fault of other members of the faction, and are having to rebuild that from nothing.

    They also are have not supported and are making it pretty clear they do not intend to support PVP in this game ... Lack of a true combat balance in the last patch is evident of that ... Its simple ...only a small fraction of the people that play ESO are pvp oriented players ..most PVE !!! This game is a PVE game with tiny PVP population ...
    This game could have rocked in PVP if they would have fixed the biggest glaring issue SEVER LAG !!!! Even after 3 years the lag is still here ... That is the death nail of PVP in this game ...

    People that log into a PVP zone first complaint is "My abilities are not going off" OMG the lag.... Why would people play in this! This is the #1 issue for most people who try to come into PVP ... It is the reason that my guild moved off the main pvp server 2 years ago and have not looked back...
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  • Gprime31
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    cause of all the faction stacking, unkillable magdk's and all the sloads...pvp is the worst it's ever been
  • Vilestride
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    RIP Balanced PVP vivec

    Welp, I knew this was what things were going to start looking like when the main server for PC NA could no longer maintain a round the clock lock or at least a fairly balanced off hours population.

    You're going to start seeing huge factional imbalances as one side drains players faster for one reason or another while the overall PVP population of ESO continues to founder and die.

    This is a four year long process we've been involved in to get to this points. At this point, it's not something any player, group of players, guild, or faction are responsible for or are capable of correcting.

    ZOS, the ball has and always will remain in your court, and there are a loooooooooot of games comes out that E3 just showed off that tell me that ESO PVP won't even make it to the end of the year.

    My prediction is that ESO PVP will be dead and buried before Christmas, and no longer in its comatose, moribund state.

    Pretty much this. After everything E3 had to offer Id be genuinely surprised to see more than 50 people in a server during prime time come the end of the year.
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  • Grimfolly613
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    RIP Balanced PVP vivec

    Yeah, the last few camps have been boring. I play ep only, considered rolling an AD just can't make myself do it. Just been leveling new toons and hitting battlegrounds.
  • NBrookus
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    Cyrodiil as it is now is an awful
    Experience for new players. Why would anyone want to play in a laggy zone dominated by ball groups and zags that cause lag? Hence why cyrodiil pop
    Has confined to decline every update

    Exactly. You can't get new blood interested when performance is this terrible.

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  • Heimpai
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    AD and DC need more of a presence. More people, more guilds running, or even just more solo people running. EP not has the guilds but also a large amount of good solo players and small groups.
    If AD stopped hiding in Shor and Sotha, we'd have more competition.

    I agree to an extent, too many 750‘s in sotha but i wont be going to vivec till im really bored or at least 500cp, i won’t be an easy farm for everyone
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