Magsorc Sets / PVE DPS - Non Pet

jkloza

I've read through the guides on Alcast's site, as well as Tamriel foundry for magsorc's. I'm looking at building a non-pet sorc for summerset, and am wondering what peoples opinions are on the best sets this patch (PvE DPS)?

The first issue is that I don't have access to a perfected / imperfect asylum staff, so I'm unsure if force pulse, or elemental weapon is the way to go. Secondary to that, there are seemingly alot of good sets that I can pair together, IE, juli's / BSW / Siroria / Spinners / Mothers Sorrow / etc...

I have a lightning Malestrom staff, but unfortunately, not an inferno yet...

Just looking for advice from anyone out there running into the same issues.

Thanks!

AEAltadoonPadhome

use force pulse only if you use asylum staff and/or mechanical acuity. On most other builds its not that good.
Siroria is BiS except if you have to move constantly.
spinners is only good if you dont reach penetration cap.
juli/bsw/ms are on equal terms and can make a 1-2% difference depending on the rest of the setup. I think MS is a bit better if you already have high spell damage from siroria.
using a lightning vma staff is really ok. Only if you use BSW you need inferno staff for blockade.

In your case I would go with siroria + ms + ilambris.
use infused flame enchant frontbar for ilambris, and infused berserker enchant backbar.

If you have vMA inferno, I would choose BSW frontbar + 3 jewelry, 5 siroria, ilambris and vma inferno backbar. same enchants as before. Oh, and use the thief mundus in that case.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Try destruction mastery. Works pretty good for DPS and gives you high magic for your ward.

Runefang

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Try destruction mastery. Works pretty good for DPS and gives you high magic for your ward.

Something of an underrated set really, especially in this patch.

Kikke

3 diffrent gear setups:

- Ilambris / Siroria / BSW, vma.
- Ilambris / Siroria / Mother Sorrow, vma.
- Ilambris / siroria / willpower / asylum, vma.

Siroria has higher uptime that BSW even if you instantly move out of the circle once it's procced.

First two use elemental weapon as a spammable.
The last one use force pulse.

Bars look like this:
front - Inner, Spamable, frag, curse, bound aegis; ult - destro
Back - Execute, shield, wall, liquid, bound aegis; ult - attro

rotation is the same as we've had forever hope this helps somewhat.

AEAltadoonPadhome

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Try destruction mastery. Works pretty good for DPS and gives you high magic for your ward.

personally I dont like destruction mastery as the 2400 magicka from the 5p is just inferior to the 299 SD from julianos. Besides, you want it on both bars and siroria is just BiS right now there. Only on front bar its bad.
If you want to buff your max mana for shields and sustain Id use the Mage mundus instead and use Infused on big armor pcs (which you should do anyway). Or just go pet build with necropotence.

I agree with @kikkehs completely. Still BSW is crap if you use lightning backbar though and awesome if you use inferno.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

@AEAltadoonPadhome personally I dont like destruction mastery as the 2400 magicka

neat

is just inferior to the 299 SD from julianos.

didnt say it was better. Said it was pretty good. Gives utility and good DPS.

Besides, you want it on both bars and siroria is just BiS right now there. Only on front bar its bad.

this guy is not going have access to siroria.

If you want to buff your max mana for shields and sustain Id use the Mage mundus instead

and use Infused on big armor pcs (which you should do anyway).

literally .02% dps difference between infused and divines on the big pieces. does the op seem like the type this is going to matter to?

Or just go pet build with necropotence.

the op doesn't want to be a pet build.

AEAltadoonPadhome

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

this guy is not going have access to siroria.

yes he is. anyone can farm nCR. There are pugs doing it all the time.
Besides, what do you assume about the OP? he has access to maelstrom lightning, which is much harder to get.

literally .02% dps difference between infused and divines on the big pieces. does the op seem like the type this is going to matter to?

the difference is very small yes. But with mage mundus, its like choosing to have 150 or 200 magicka. its that simple.
retraiting isnt worth it tho unless you drown in crystals.

rumple9

BSW, Sload, Valkyn Skoria or Illambris

Karm1cOne

Sloads is really only useful in bgs.

rumple9 wrote: »

BSW, Sload, Valkyn Skoria or Illambris

Kikke

Oh? he has a vMA lightning? Then I would say go for the Ilambris / Siroria / Mother sorrow setup.

Seen this setup do up to 70k DPS in a min/maxed raid. So it packs a good punch! xD

jkloza

Thanks for all the replies! I currently have a mixed non perfect siroria setup, with assorted pieces, and an inferno staff. Would it be better to purchase MS inferno staff, and run all siroria armor, or will single bar siroria not matter so much?

Masel

AEAltadoonPadhome wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Try destruction mastery. Works pretty good for DPS and gives you high magic for your ward.

personally I dont like destruction mastery as the 2400 magicka from the 5p is just inferior to the 299 SD from julianos. Besides, you want it on both bars and siroria is just BiS right now there. Only on front bar its bad.
If you want to buff your max mana for shields and sustain Id use the Mage mundus instead and use Infused on big armor pcs (which you should do anyway). Or just go pet build with necropotence.

I agree with @kikkehs completely. Still BSW is crap if you use lightning backbar though and awesome if you use inferno.

Max magicka bonuses get amplified a lot more than spell damage on magicka builds:

Cp apply a Base 20% amp, then inner light, bound aegis another 15%, undaunted another 6%, racial passive 10%, makes up for a total of 51% amplification on magicka. Applying that to 2400*1.51=3624

Adding Warhorn makes it 61% -> 3864 magicka.

Julianos has spell damage, which has the following amps:

20% sorcery, 5% minor sorcery, is 25%. Every sorc skill gives another 2%, let's say you have 3 sorc skills, makes 6%, is 31% amp. There is no other raidbuff that amplifies julianos further:

299*1.31=392

The sets are fairly even. If you take into account that destruction mastery gives you higher shield strength on the bar it is on makes it a valid contender.

Just giving my two cents here. I tested both on the pts and under a decent warhorn uptime, going for maximum magicka is the way to go on a sorc, especially since they changed the scaling.

FrancisCrawford

If one basically has a pet sorcerer -- i.e. the Daedric Prey morph -- what are the good rotation options for fights where the pets get put away?

skyhawk002

kikkehs wrote: »

3 diffrent gear setups:

Bars look like this:
front - Inner, Spamable, frag, curse, bound aegis; ult - destro
Back - Execute, shield, wall, liquid, bound aegis; ult - attro

rotation is the same as we've had forever hope this helps somewhat.

Why use attronach as an ultimate over meteor? Is the synergy really that good?

Kikke

skyhawk002 wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

3 diffrent gear setups:

Bars look like this:
front - Inner, Spamable, frag, curse, bound aegis; ult - destro
Back - Execute, shield, wall, liquid, bound aegis; ult - attro

rotation is the same as we've had forever hope this helps somewhat.

Why use attronach as an ultimate over meteor? Is the synergy really that good?

I use attro because of it's singel target dps is one of the highest in the game currently; And the synergi is good xP
Also, with elemental weapon you need destro ult front bar too get the 8% singel target DMG increase from destro passive.
And my rotation on a typical trial boss (not end bosses) is a destro ult at beginning, then followup with attro as it's cheaper and can go earlier, making it possible for a last attro in execute phase

hope this helps

Joxer61

https://www.xynodegaming.com/easy-mode-sorc

AEAltadoonPadhome

Masel92 wrote: »

Max magicka bonuses get amplified a lot more than spell damage on magicka builds:

Cp apply a Base 20% amp, then inner light, bound aegis another 15%, undaunted another 6%, racial passive 10%, makes up for a total of 51% amplification on magicka. Applying that to 2400*1.51=3624

Adding Warhorn makes it 61% -> 3864 magicka.

Julianos has spell damage [...]

299*1.31=392

The sets are fairly even. If you take into account that destruction mastery gives you higher shield strength on the bar it is on makes it a valid contender.

Just giving my two cents here. I tested both on the pts and under a decent warhorn uptime, going for maximum magicka is the way to go on a sorc, especially since they changed the scaling.

Note that tests have shown the 20% CP amp does not work on certain five-piece bonuses, including destro mastery and necropotence. Same counts for Food buffs and Mundus stones (the Mage). At least, I havent checked if this is still true this patch. See the Stat pool section of this thread: https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/
Personally I think this is a bug and an example of bad coding. I hope this gets fixed some time.

In that case, we would have 2400 * (1 + 0.15 (inner, bound) + 0.06 (undauted) + 0.1 (racial) + 0.1 (warhorn)) = 2400 * 1.41 = 3384.
Since the spell damage to max magicka ratio is 10.5 (except for pet builds, not talking about those atm) the 5 piece julianos would give 392*10.5= an equivalent of 4116 max magicka.
So choosing destro mastery would mean sacrificing damage for shield strength and sustain. Front barring the destro mastery only would also negate the sustain buff since you lose it when you barswap. Since siroria is wanted on both bars in most fights coupled with a monster set, I'd say you need to front bar destro mastery and it bottles down to sacrificing a bit of damage for a bit of shield strength. It is a choice you should make based on the content you run and your skill.

In any case, the difference is still pretty small but it is there.
If the bugs of the 5 piece bonus not benefiting from CP is no longer there, I take it back. Especially since I believe CP multiplier of 1.2 stacks multiplicatively with the skill bonuses, making it 2400*1.2*1.41 = 4060 max mag. I'd say that is indeed better than the spell damage from juli.
In any case I based these calculations on the above mentioned post so if I'm wrong here I would like to hear the new equations

Note that if you want the shield strength buff while front barring destro mastery you will need to have your shield at the front bar as well.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

No one is saying julianos is less dps the destruction mastery or the other way around. All you had to say was this and we can call it a day.

. It is a choice you should make based on the content you run and your skill.

AEAltadoonPadhome

Some people like to min-max their dps into the little numbers to get the highest possible numbers from gear. I do. you do not. I just like to answer the question

(I) am wondering what peoples opinions are on the best sets this patch (PvE DPS)?

literally by responding what the best sets are for PvE dps.
You do not like to minimax.
That is fine. Let everyone do whatever way they have most fun

Bobby_V_Rockit

I’m having a great time running 5x Infallible 5x Destro Mastery, 2x Ilambris (3x Infallible Aether and Asylum Inferno front bar). I use force pulse and frags to proc asylum on front and Infallible heavy lightning on back with the dots.

WrathOfInnos

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’m having a great time running 5x Infallible 5x Destro Mastery, 2x Ilambris (3x Infallible Aether and Asylum Inferno front bar). I use force pulse and frags to proc asylum on front and Infallible heavy lightning on back with the dots.

Infallible Aether and Asylum Destro are redundant, since both give Minor Vulnerability. And as of Summerset release nothing is immune to concussion, so IA is really not needed if anyone is running an Asylum staff.

Bobby_V_Rockit

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’m having a great time running 5x Infallible 5x Destro Mastery, 2x Ilambris (3x Infallible Aether and Asylum Inferno front bar). I use force pulse and frags to proc asylum on front and Infallible heavy lightning on back with the dots.

Infallible Aether and Asylum Destro are redundant, since both give Minor Vulnerability. And as of Summerset release nothing is immune to concussion, so IA is really not needed if anyone is running an Asylum staff.

Meh, all I know is stuffs dying a lot quicker than it used to

WrathOfInnos

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’m having a great time running 5x Infallible 5x Destro Mastery, 2x Ilambris (3x Infallible Aether and Asylum Inferno front bar). I use force pulse and frags to proc asylum on front and Infallible heavy lightning on back with the dots.

Infallible Aether and Asylum Destro are redundant, since both give Minor Vulnerability. And as of Summerset release nothing is immune to concussion, so IA is really not needed if anyone is running an Asylum staff.

Meh, all I know is stuffs dying a lot quicker than it used to

So true, RIP Acuity.

jchrist21

kikkehs wrote: »

3 diffrent gear setups:

- Ilambris / Siroria / BSW, vma.
- Ilambris / Siroria / Mother Sorrow, vma.
- Ilambris / siroria / willpower / asylum, vma.

Siroria has higher uptime that BSW even if you instantly move out of the circle once it's procced.

First two use elemental weapon as a spammable.
The last one use force pulse.

Bars look like this:
front - Inner, Spamable, frag, curse, bound aegis; ult - destro
Back - Execute, shield, wall, liquid, bound aegis; ult - attro

rotation is the same as we've had forever hope this helps somewhat.

So @kikkehs about the rotation..

blockade, la, liquid, la, swap, curse, la, elemental and la x3 and then repeat? With frags when they proc.

Two questions.. During 20% you use execute instead of elemental and la x3 or when? And why atronach and not comet?

Thx

Merlin13KAGL

kikkehs wrote: »

skyhawk002 wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

3 diffrent gear setups:

Bars look like this:
front - Inner, Spamable, frag, curse, bound aegis; ult - destro
Back - Execute, shield, wall, liquid, bound aegis; ult - attro

rotation is the same as we've had forever hope this helps somewhat.

Why use attronach as an ultimate over meteor? Is the synergy really that good?

I use attro because of it's singel target dps is one of the highest in the game currently; And the synergi is good xP
Also, with elemental weapon you need destro ult front bar too get the 8% singel target DMG increase from destro passive.
And my rotation on a typical trial boss (not end bosses) is a destro ult at beginning, then followup with attro as it's cheaper and can go earlier, making it possible for a last attro in execute phase

hope this helps

The DPS is actually slightly lower than Destro Ult, but the total damage is the highest of any available ult (running a whopping 28 seconds).

If you have multiple targets or need burst, Rage out. If you have time and want the most bang for your single-target buck, drop Atro in your nearest DPS friend's lap.

jchrist21

Mmm ok so it's good in trial. And in solo? Still good the atronach or just destro ultimate?

Kikke

@jchrist21 - My rotation is that yes, 3 elemental weps. But no, I dont start execute at 20% anymore, I've started execute on more like 13-15% as any higher would cause a DPS loss for some reasons =/

And in Solo or 4man dungeons, destro ult is usually enough on any given boss fight. But no matter what Boss (or dummy) I fight, what I usually does is start with a destro ult, and once I have enough ult I trow down an attro. This I've figured is the highest DPS from Ultimate points you can get.

On a 3mill dummy I allways see a destro and a attro before the dummy is dead. So I think that should be the goal xP

jchrist21

kikkehs wrote: »

@jchrist21 - My rotation is that yes, 3 elemental weps. But no, I dont start execute at 20% anymore, I've started execute on more like 13-15% as any higher would cause a DPS loss for some reasons =/

And in Solo or 4man dungeons, destro ult is usually enough on any given boss fight. But no matter what Boss (or dummy) I fight, what I usually does is start with a destro ult, and once I have enough ult I trow down an attro. This I've figured is the highest DPS from Ultimate points you can get.

On a 3mill dummy I allways see a destro and a attro before the dummy is dead. So I think that should be the goal xP

Good. And on the 3mil dummy what's your dps? I want to reach 40k with this new build.