Evaluating the Sload meta, who wins, and who loses.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

The goal here is to look at the metagame shift with Summerset and take a look at how this set has affected the classes differently.

There are already threads discussing whether or not the set is overpowered or unhealthy for the game. So please stay on topic, we're here to talk about meta changes affecting the classes differently.

So lets see our lucky contestants!

Winner#3: Magicka Dragonknight
Multiple dots make proccing Sloads easy and consistent, plus totally unavoidable damage makes slowly whittling down enemies (mDK bread and butter) much more effective. Only problem is that mDKs really like to block to mitigate incoming damage, and bypassing that block with oblivion damage really hurts.

Loser#3: Magicka Nightblade
Having access to strong DoTs, mNBs can put Sload to good use, but don't like having used against them. Bypassing shields AND breaking cloak really stings, and it reduces defensive options significantly.

Winner #2: Stamina Sorcerer
Stam sorc has been leaning towards bleed builds pretty heavily recently, which makes Sload great for them. Stacking multiple dots enhances the set by basically guaranteeing high uptime, and the O-damage proc synergizes with the pressure-based bleed gameplay. Defensively, stam sorcs can use their mobility to disengage if another pressure build is starting to wear them down.

Loser #2: Stamina Nightblade
The front loaded and burst direct damage of the average stamblade makes getting consistent procs a difficult prospect, sloads is effective on a stamblade, but they can't make good use of it like others can. Defensively however, getting pulled out of stealth by a dot that is applied automatically and frequently is brutal for most stamblades, with no burst healing outside of rally, this can cause a lot of deaths even if there wasn't also a brutal damage over time on you.

Winner #1, The Big Winner: Magicka Templar
Lots of DoTs? Check. Pressure based gameplay? Check. All the offensive tools to make use of Sloads. Where things get juicy is the defensive options, purge mitigating 5k damage is on top of the 4 other effects they just dispelled is great, and solid burst healing means they can't be dotted down so easily. Where things really get nuts is the group support, giving team members purify and slot heals can be essential to keep people alive in the Sload meta.

Loser #1, The Biggest Loser: Magicka Sorcerer
We all knew Magsorc was going to get the coveted 1st place. Magsorc damage is hard and bursty, just like stamblade, so proccing sloads is difficult. The real damage here is how sorcs lack of self-healing outside of shielding gives them minimal defense against O-damage. At least stamblade have rally/rigor rolling off of their high attack. Even though most Msorcs can heal through sloads , the sload can keep them in execute range for long periods of time, making them take huge damage even on top of their shields as well as under them.

ak_pvp

We all lose. Wrobel wins

If you play BGs, you'll realize, no class will survive the onslaught of 4 sloads.

Edziu

ak_pvp wrote: »

We all lose. Wrobel wins

If you play BGs, you'll realize, no class will survive the onslaught of 4 sloads.

yes but honestly we can say tankly classes like warden, templar and dk and can include stamsorc have no problemw ith single sload

and we can sa with no problem nb's and msorc truly can have big problems with jsut survive even against single sload on them

Edziu

@Jimmy_The_Fixer
I dont agree only with your magica templar...cuz I never see any mag templar outside healbot pigeonholded

rest is just gold how it look

the worst thing about sload is it even many stamnb will defend sload because just they are running on dot build like stamsorc with also sload to just stick last nail into coffin for rest normal playing noncancer blades

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Edziu wrote: »

@Jimmy_The_Fixer
I dont agree only with your magica templar...cuz I never see any mag templar outside healbot pigeonholded

rest is just gold how it look

the worst thing about sload is it even many stamnb will defend sload because just they are running on dot build like stamsorc with also sload to just stick last nail into coffin for rest normal playing noncancer blades

Predictable, consistent damage enhances the need for a healbot, its a metagame shift in favor of templars.
Plus, offensive magplar isn't dead, need speed pots for BGs though.

cazlonb16_ESO

So Templars being pushed even more into the healbot cliche constitutes as winning for you ? Ok...

Vapirko

There’s really nothing to discuss. When a set is used by 1-3 people (haven’t seen 4 on a team yet) on each team in almost every match, that set is OP. Otherwise people would not use it to such a great extent. There’s really nothing else to say. Some of the most knowledgeable players in ESO have called it OP and asked for adjustments to be made. Anyone else who comes in here saying slot purge or just wear this set or group up and your fine, those arguments are meaningless and proved so by the amount of people using it. When half of all Cyrodiil was mag sorcs people called them OP, when the Warden was introduced and we saw a huge surge of stamina wardens, they were (are) OP. Now it’s Sloads and it’s no different.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

So Templars being pushed even more into the healbot cliche constitutes as winning for you ? Ok...

An offensive magplar still assists their team with purify, even if they only use the ability for purely selfish reasons. Plus the ability to self-cleanse on demand is useful. And the option to run sloads is powerful and effective on a Templar, and this would be a big win for offensive Templar much more so than healers.

For those magplars that choose to pidgeonhole themselves as healers, yes, an increased need for consistent healing makes them more valuable.

Kadoin

Completely clueless post intent on farming agrees from magsorc and stam nbs that can't deal with Sloads.

Edziu

Kadoin wrote: »

Completely clueless post intent on farming agrees from magsorc and stam nbs that can't deal with Sloads.

magsorcs cant have much chance to deal with additional sload when they are under bigger pressure, normally they use shields to stay alive with average opponent, now sload can be their finisheg skill especially when they are at low health

stamnb's..then you need to not know any normal without noncancer build, those got the biggest pain here... as they rely on cloak in 90%+ of their defense which is jsut cut off thx to sload and you cant deal with it with many other debufffs and dots on you which you cant deal with them > surpress, because of not working cloak

Biro123

Apart from templar, I think magsorcs are among the best able to deal with it.
Sloads is a problem for most when combined with the other usual damage sources.. Light attacks, dots, abilities, poisons etc.. And it just overwhelms your healing..
Sorcs shields protect from all else, so your healing only has to deal with sload which is easy with a single rapid regen. More than that, and the resto ult buys the time needed for the multiple sloads to finish ticking.

Multiple sloads over a long period? Well, that's gonna spoil anyone's day.

Savos_Saren

You forgot to mention that:

Winner #1: Stamina Nightblade

Now he can run Master's DW (unmitigated bleed), Sload (unavoidable damage), and easily apply Major Defile with 20% extra damage against you (Incapacitating Strike). Just throw on some Hundings, Innate Axiom, or Automaton for extra damage. Personally, I'd go with Innate Axiom since IA and Sload include a line of extra magicka for stealthing.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Savos_Saren wrote: »

You forgot to mention that:

Winner #1: Stamina Nightblade

Now he can run Master's DW (unmitigated bleed), Sload (unavoidable damage), and easily apply Major Defile with 20% extra damage against you (Incapacitating Strike). Just throw on some Hundings, Innate Axiom, or Automaton for extra damage. Personally, I'd go with Innate Axiom since IA and Sload include a line of extra magicka for stealthing.

All classes can use sload offensively, in particular, any stam class can run a bleed build. Stamblade earned its place for having an inability to deal with the set defensively.

Also, IA is quite weak for bleed builds, since so much damage is coming from weapon abilities and IA doesn't enhance any self healing from rally/vigor.

LittlePinkDot

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

You forgot to mention that:

Winner #1: Stamina Nightblade

Now he can run Master's DW (unmitigated bleed), Sload (unavoidable damage), and easily apply Major Defile with 20% extra damage against you (Incapacitating Strike). Just throw on some Hundings, Innate Axiom, or Automaton for extra damage. Personally, I'd go with Innate Axiom since IA and Sload include a line of extra magicka for stealthing.

All classes can use sload offensively, in particular, any stam class can run a bleed build. Stamblade earned its place for having an inability to deal with the set defensively.

Also, IA is quite weak for bleed builds, since so much damage is coming from weapon abilities and IA doesn't enhance any self healing from rally/vigor.

Im working on a sload counter for my stamblade. We just need better healing. So order of the diagna set for minor vitality at all times. Switch the healthy traits on the jewelry to robust or infused. Even considering switching to the new burst heal cloak morph that doesnt actually cloak.

Drakkdjinn

Putting NBs in the losing bucket demonstrates to me that this post can be disregarded.

Waffennacht

I feel like this article is missing a few classes

Strider__Roshin

Waffennacht wrote: »

I feel like this article is missing a few classes

Necromancer.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Putting NBs in the losing bucket demonstrates to me that this post can be disregarded.

Care to share your reasoning? Disagreeing is fine but lets keep things constructive, and, of course, polite.

Oxalias

Waffennacht wrote: »

I feel like this article is missing a few classes

Every class loses except Magicka templar lol. People are forgetting that sloads is just an insult to injury on this new bleed/dot meta.

Also, anyone that happens to have an effective use of efficient purge isn't going to be that affected either.

RajinPVP

I think the real problem starts when 2 or more people proced it on 1 person.. i guess the best solution to this is to make it not stacked instead just reset the timer everytime someone proc it. 1 sloads proc is manageable tho.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

b4nn3d7337 wrote: »

I think the real problem starts when 2 or more people proced it on 1 person.. i guess the best solution to this is to make it not stacked instead just reset the timer everytime someone proc it. 1 sloads proc is manageable tho.

The purpose here is to discuss the game as it is, not to talk about potential balance changes.