I am in agreement now jewel craft needs change.

taleth

I too didnt want it to be too easy to just go gold piece of jewelry. But I have grinded myself to like 44 jewrlcrafting and I dont even have the mats ie platings to craft but one purple ring. ONE. This is after refinimg a but load of platinum and deconing like 30 purple jewelry. There is no reason to make platings take 10 to refine to make 1. And then need 4 platings to make one purple piece. It needs to change like other crafting profesions tempers. If your worried about all going gold to quik just lower the proc chance to get a gold temper. But I have gotten 6 gold fragments out of 800 or so refinements. Getting 8 to make a gold.ring seems right. Trying to farm 80 on the current system is ludacris

Cpt_Teemo

Agreed, needs alot of work for the daily writ rewards and also to add hirelings for both alchemy & JC

Rohamad_Ali

That's what we tried to tell you . But don't worry , by next year there'll be plenty of mats . lol aye aye aye

Leandor

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

That's what we tried to tell you . But don't worry , by next year there'll be plenty of mats . lol aye aye aye

I don't think it will take long. There's plenty of platings in guild traders. And 1.4 mln a pop for a gold ring is not too bad.


*disclaimer: yes, sarcasm*

taleth

Lev 50 jewel crafting is like getting a new corvette. You cant wait to drive it you have been waiting so long. You get it and fimd out it has no tires or rims on it. Each tire will cost you 20g's each. Oh and you have to trade 10 tires in to get the right tire. Arn't you proud of your new vet. You should buy two.

f047ys3v3n

Jewely crafting, Is that a thing???

Nope, it's just jewelry transmuting. Ain't nobody crafting or improving *** with these 10x prices. ZOS be bad at maths.

Wreuntzylla

I haven't paid attention to jewelry crafting except with respect to leveling, and this may be a known thing, but I I received a gold band of the hist from a normal writ. I assume there is a chance for a mat from decon?

Slick_007

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Jewely crafting, Is that a thing???

Nope, it's just jewelry transmuting. Ain't nobody crafting or improving *** with these 10x prices. ZOS be bad at maths.

ZOS didnt set the prices. someones bad at blame.

davey1107

Meanwhile at a Zos dev team member desk “I mean, I could write code for new content. But if I just make it take three hundred hours to farm mats, I can go rent Pootie Tang 2.”

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I haven't paid attention to jewelry crafting except with respect to leveling, and this may be a known thing, but I I received a gold band of the hist from a normal writ. I assume there is a chance for a mat from decon?

50% chance to get a gold mat.

LadyDestiny

taleth wrote: »

I too didnt want it to be too easy to just go gold piece of jewelry. But I have grinded myself to like 44 jewrlcrafting and I dont even have the mats ie platings to craft but one purple ring. ONE. This is after refinimg a but load of platinum and deconing like 30 purple jewelry. There is no reason to make platings take 10 to refine to make 1. And then need 4 platings to make one purple piece. It needs to change like other crafting profesions tempers. If your worried about all going gold to quik just lower the proc chance to get a gold temper. But I have gotten 6 gold fragments out of 800 or so refinements. Getting 8 to make a gold.ring seems right. Trying to farm 80 on the current system is ludacris

It should be like any other crafting profession. Making higher quality items rare, but not impossible to get. The fact that there is no hirelings, crap writ rewards and have to run trials is just dumb. Don't need trials for any other crafting. Zos way of saying, Well you wanted it, but we are going to make it next to impossible for you to get it. I am really sick of these collect ten items to refine into one. Whoever came up with that idea needs a good beating.....lol

osaceeub17_ESO

I agree, it is very difficult to obtain what you need to level toons. I have been farming almost exclusively since Summerset started and and not anywhere close to being able to make anything due to the lack of available mats. AND ZOS you have to be kidding those "Giant Clams" are not giant and they need to be a slightly different color, really they are the same color as their surroundings...and the drops are dismally anemic.

(14 toons at champ level 160--all crafting skills at level 50 except, lol, jewelry)

TheCyberDruid

I 'finished' my second chronium plating this morning! I might be able to upgrade my purple ring in... six weeks! That is if I continue to run around zones for hours to farm the material for the next six weeks... *sigh*

JKorr

Slick_007 wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Jewely crafting, Is that a thing???

Nope, it's just jewelry transmuting. Ain't nobody crafting or improving *** with these 10x prices. ZOS be bad at maths.

ZOS didnt set the prices. someones bad at blame.

Not so much the prices; who decided that improving items would require so many tempers/platings to upgrade? If it wasn't the devs who set the cost, who did? Wonder if they had the same person who decided cp160 gear should take so many more mats to craft.....

Rng seems to be in play big time: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/415179/upgrading-jewelry-to-gold-8-000-raw-mats-corrected-13-600-raw-mats/p1

Anotherone773

Its fine. We have went 4 years without improved and crafted jewelry. Summerset has been out 2 weeks and people are complaining because they cant have top tier jewelry yet. OMG, we have to work for something in this game! The calamity of it all!

taleth

Anotherthrone we arnt complaining about what your talking about at all. Purple jewelry isnt top tier. If you are able to craft a set of 3 purp jewelry already the kudos your in the 1%. Hell id be hard pressed to even craft 3 blue jewelry at this time. Current system is not feasable. A gold ring should be comparable to the time/effort it would take to buy one from golden vendor.

Cpt_Teemo

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I haven't paid attention to jewelry crafting except with respect to leveling, and this may be a known thing, but I I received a gold band of the hist from a normal writ. I assume there is a chance for a mat from decon?

50% chance to get a gold mat.

More like 1%, I have 2/10 lesser tempers out of 250+ Max Tier JC writs so far

Apache_Kid

Slick_007 wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Jewely crafting, Is that a thing???

Nope, it's just jewelry transmuting. Ain't nobody crafting or improving *** with these 10x prices. ZOS be bad at maths.

ZOS didnt set the prices. someones bad at blame.

Someone is bad at white-knighting

ZoS set the bar at this level when they decided to make jewelry crafting 10 times as grindy as all current existing crafting professions.

The upgrade costs are ludicrous. ZoS bears all of the blame in this situation.

@Slick_007

Cpt_Teemo

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Jewely crafting, Is that a thing???

Nope, it's just jewelry transmuting. Ain't nobody crafting or improving *** with these 10x prices. ZOS be bad at maths.

ZOS didnt set the prices. someones bad at blame.

Someone is bad at white-knighting

ZoS set the bar at this level when they decided to make jewelry crafting 10 times as grindy as all current existing crafting professions.

The upgrade costs are ludicrous. ZoS bears all of the blame in this situation.

@Slick_007

Also the fact how I sent a ticket in and they claim nothing is wrong with the drop rates from the writs, yeah right

Apache_Kid

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Jewely crafting, Is that a thing???

Nope, it's just jewelry transmuting. Ain't nobody crafting or improving *** with these 10x prices. ZOS be bad at maths.

ZOS didnt set the prices. someones bad at blame.

Someone is bad at white-knighting

ZoS set the bar at this level when they decided to make jewelry crafting 10 times as grindy as all current existing crafting professions.

The upgrade costs are ludicrous. ZoS bears all of the blame in this situation.

@Slick_007

Also the fact how I sent a ticket in and they claim nothing is wrong with the drop rates from the writs, yeah right

These message boards are amazing. Master writs that give 7 vouchers cost 100s of thousands of gold to complete and its absurdly expensive to craft any colored jewelry in a fake world where the devs literally control every aspect of everything and people are like "it's not their fault".

Cpt_Teemo

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Jewely crafting, Is that a thing???

Nope, it's just jewelry transmuting. Ain't nobody crafting or improving *** with these 10x prices. ZOS be bad at maths.

ZOS didnt set the prices. someones bad at blame.

Someone is bad at white-knighting

ZoS set the bar at this level when they decided to make jewelry crafting 10 times as grindy as all current existing crafting professions.

The upgrade costs are ludicrous. ZoS bears all of the blame in this situation.

@Slick_007

Also the fact how I sent a ticket in and they claim nothing is wrong with the drop rates from the writs, yeah right

These message boards are amazing. Master writs that give 7 vouchers cost 100s of thousands of gold to complete and its absurdly expensive to craft any colored jewelry in a fake world where the devs literally control every aspect of everything and people are like "it's not their fault".

It is there fault, they run the show and people fell into the "Rigged Generator" yet again

Hluill

Ever since those cursed, cross-profression, furniture-recipes came out...

Well before that, but anyway...

Someone in this game's design HATES crafters.

One part is plain click bait, another part is worthless timers, another part is super ridiculous grindy, another part is a combat handicap...

Yeah, not surprised, nor disappointed, how silly the Jewelry-crafting is.

Cpt_Teemo

Hluill wrote: »

Ever since those cursed, cross-profression, furniture-recipes came out...

Well before that, but anyway...

Someone in this game's design HATES crafters.

One part is plain click bait, another part is worthless timers, another part is super ridiculous grindy, another part is a combat handicap...

Yeah, not surprised, nor disappointed, how silly the Jewelry-crafting is.

Yeah I mean really what happened to max tier crafting being more rewarding

Sparr0w

Everyone defending JC during the PTS Reap what you sow.

Slick_007

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Jewely crafting, Is that a thing???

Nope, it's just jewelry transmuting. Ain't nobody crafting or improving *** with these 10x prices. ZOS be bad at maths.

ZOS didnt set the prices. someones bad at blame.

Someone is bad at white-knighting

ZoS set the bar at this level when they decided to make jewelry crafting 10 times as grindy as all current existing crafting professions.

The upgrade costs are ludicrous. ZoS bears all of the blame in this situation.

@Slick_007

Also the fact how I sent a ticket in and they claim nothing is wrong with the drop rates from the writs, yeah right

These message boards are amazing. Master writs that give 7 vouchers cost 100s of thousands of gold to complete and its absurdly expensive to craft any colored jewelry in a fake world where the devs literally control every aspect of everything and people are like "it's not their fault".

i didnt suggest that ZOS didnt need to change things, but to say ZOS set the prices which is what people keep saying is ludicrous. greedy players set the pricing based on what they believe other players will pay. high prices of anything right after launch is to be expected and is wholly the domain of greedy players.

kind_hero

I deconstructed lots of rings, including purple, and indeed, I barely have enough platings to make one fine ring.

There should be more ways to get them... like mining, daily rewards from other sources than crafting, and so on. More availability for these platings would make the prices drop.

However I do agree that jewelry should be somewhat exclusive or expensive (but not absurd). The ability to craft set rings, like julianos, hundings, etc, should come with a cost, or at least an investment, because it the long run, it won't feel rewarding to be able to do that.

Anotherone773

taleth wrote: »

Anotherthrone we arnt complaining about what your talking about at all. Purple jewelry isnt top tier. If you are able to craft a set of 3 purp jewelry already the kudos your in the 1%. Hell id be hard pressed to even craft 3 blue jewelry at this time. Current system is not feasable. A gold ring should be comparable to the time/effort it would take to buy one from golden vendor.

so a few months or a few hours of work? because i can make the money to buy in hours but it may be months before your set comes up. The only people are having a hard time crafting is because demand outstrips supply. You take for granted that you have been deconing and farming mats for other professions for months or years so you can just make something pretty much when you want it. And traders are full of what you need if you dont have enough.

Everyone is sapping all the resources trying to level JC and craft stuff now which makes it seem much harder than it is because supply is short and demand is high. I really doubt ZOS will modify it until it gets closer to normal demand. Modifying it now to drop more would be silly. since its the rush of being new making it seem much harder than it is.

Me, im not pressed. The same set i was wearing 3 months ago works now, so i just go on playing the game and collecting mats. I even still sell some of the purple jewels i get in drops. Its not like 3 crafted jewels are required to make the game playable or me leet...I would need at least 10 crafted jewels for the latter.

burglar

The complaining about this reminds me of how people responded to the introduction of race and name change tokens; people didn't have to buy race change tokens, because there were other options like making a new character. But no more, ZOS was nice enough to make it so we didn't have to go through all of that trouble. But it wasn't enough. Same goes here, you don't have to craft jewelry, and you don't need crafted jewelry to be successful; however, you might need it to be the best in a certain way, which should not come easy! The longer it takes someone to get something the more appreciated those items are. The more accomplished people feel, the more valuable one's character and time spent will be. But, as of right now there really aren't many items like that in this game, because of complaining that things are too hard. The game needs more value, and the only way of doing that is having harder content. So quit yer cryin and get to tryin.

Edit: After reading more comments, the post above me is on point. People aren't frustrated with the game, they're frustrated with the economics of it all. Who knows, maybe in the future, ZOS could allow people to farm materials or requisite items before the new content is added, but that kind of takes away the fun of it all. I mean, we are playing a game that is meant to revolve solely around other people and our interactions with them.

Panomania

The thing is I could agree with the above post and others of similar ilk if material acquisition for JC were the same as other crafts, but thats not the case. Two thirds of the trait mats come from single source, which drives supply WAY down and prices way up. Upgrade mats come in 10% increments, and you dont get anywhere NEAR as many as you do in other traits. Again, newness aside this drives up costs.

At the moment crafting costs for epic and legendary jewelry on a per voucher basis on masters writs are anywhere between 20 and 30 times higher than they are for the next highest cost writ, blacksmithing....but the rewards if anything are LOWER per writ than other vouchers. Even after newness wears down and supply increases I HIGHLY doubt you'll see mat costs lower than 5 times cost for a blacksmithing writ.

No matter how you spin it the math isnt there. Its pretty obvious ZOS either didnt think this through or wants masters writs to be wastepaper.

I see three choices:

1) Remove jewelcraft masters writ.
2) Increase abundance of JC mats
3) Increase voucher reward on JC master writs.

I know many would prefer method 2, but I'd be ok with number 3.

Beamer_Miasma

Feels like this thread is full of hyperbole. I have my JC skill up to 48 and a half and have enough platings to make 1 purple ring (plus 1 chromium plating), all of this from just playing the game as I always do. Notably I did none of the following:

1. No dolmen/geyser trains. I do them when they open while I'm in the area and typically do a few of them with my diner plate in my lap but that's it, I don't grind them. Occasionally I do a fighter's guild daily but that's 2 times a week at most.
2. No crafting on 1 character and deconning on another. I do of course transfer my found jewelry to my top crafter for deconning.
3. No buying jewelry for deconning.
4. No excessive farming, most of my jewelry mats stacks are still below 200, only platinum is higher and quite a bit of that comes from deconning and a couple of JC surveys.
5. No stacks of crafter alts to get intricates. I have just 2 alts that do lowest level jewelry crafting writs, mostly for the surveys.
6. Summarized: no focus on acquiring jewelry in a fast way whatsoever

On top of that for the first 5 days after release I did pretty much nothing besides fishing and my usual dailies (crafting, TG/DB, CWC crows). If I can get the mats needed for a purple ring in a week or 2 of normal play and can max out my JC skill in about the same time, that seems perfectly acceptable to me.

Gallagher563

The economics of jewelry crafting could have been solved if they took the opposite approach that they did. An approach that would have worked would be to make jewelry mats incredible available at launch and slowly decrease the supply to increase the value over time. The way the system is set up now people are going to start out annoyed and pissed and slowly stop caring.