Counter Any&All YouTube/Twitch PvP Build !

WeylandLabs

This is a thread that I'd like to start, based on counters to PvP builds that are released on YouTube or Twitch.

Steps:

1: link the Video/Clip to the your post.

2: Put a brief description of what it is you see to counter or problem.

3: No complaining becuase it is in our interests to counter with what we got with the current patch.


NOTE :

We or I do not work at ZOS and cannot make any changes. And even though you feel things should be changed, please write about that in a different thread. We work with what we got, yes we see the unbalance in the game. This is a constructive thread based on builds that give you problems. I'm also surprised to see after 4 years on PC and 3 years on Console there is no Q/A YouTube/Twitch made of this.

Also some counters may include specific races/sets/abilities/rotations as a disclaimer. If you do not have those sets and abilities we cannot counter.

Anyway posts your videos and the talented community theorycrafters will try to help out.

I and others look forward for the challenge to countering any and all builds posted.

Thank you !

Mr_Nobody

Ok so to counter any build in cyrodiil you now need:

1) Duroks Bane
2) Zaan/skoria/BS/TK
3) a dps set depending on what you run, be it stamina or magicka.

Dont forget 1). That is the key to counter everything now. Even other Durok banes.

Meanwhile i /sitchair on all Duroks users.

WeylandLabs

@Mr_Nobody is there a YouTube video ?

WeylandLabs

@Mr_Nobody

If you are referring to

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/359042/p-m-s-build-stam-sorc/p1

I posted this over a year ago after fassalas was nerfed it not my fault everyone has caught up to this. Im just ahead of YouTubers and Twitch streamers that cannot thoerycraft and rely on addons to do their basic elementary math.

There is no build that doesnt have a counter to it. Only players mindsets and there understanding of how the this game works. Even this old build i posted last year has a counter I find the the only things uncountable is the world cooldowns. But that is a design issue and not a counter, thus nothing nobody can do.

Derra

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Im just ahead of YouTubers and Twitch streamers that cannot thoerycraft and rely on addons to do their basic elementary math.

Ego much?

Apart from that what are you talking about?

WeylandLabs

@Derra I just want to counter builds ...on this thread. No ego there is no challenge anymore to builds everything is counterable. And where i don't see a counter somebody else will. Only thing that doesnt have a counter is the world mechanics like cooldowns and stuff that is over looked in zergs that is stackable.

zyk

Making a build to counter a specific build isn't a challenge. The challenge is balancing counters, heals/mitigation, utility, damage, recovery, etc to be as effective as possible against the range of builds and other challenges one might encounter where they choose to fight -- all based on how one prefers to fight.

chris211

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

This is a thread that I'd like to start, based on counters to PvP builds that are released on YouTube or Twitch.

Steps:

1: link the Video/Clip to the your post.

2: Put a brief description of what it is you see to counter or problem.

3: No complaining becuase it is in our interests to counter with what we got with the current patch.


NOTE :

We or I do not work at ZOS and cannot make any changes. And even though you feel things should be changed, please write about that in a different thread. We work with what we got, yes we see the unbalance in the game. This is a constructive thread based on builds that give you problems. I'm also surprised to see after 4 years on PC and 3 years on Console there is no Q/A YouTube/Twitch made of this.

Also some counters may include specific races/sets/abilities/rotations as a disclaimer. If you do not have those sets and abilities we cannot counter.

Anyway posts your videos and the talented community theorycrafters will try to help out.

I and others look forward for the challenge to countering any and all builds posted.

Thank you !

sloads + durogs bane master dual wield dagger with axe and drain poisons and zan's gg pure cacner

Mr_Nobody

No you dont need to be super smart or good at theorycrafting to realize that duroks bane is an ultimate cancer. I guess we will just have to wait a bit so it gets nerfed to the ground.

Stratforge

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

No you dont need to be super smart or good at theorycrafting to realize that duroks bane is an ultimate cancer. I guess we will just have to wait a bit so it gets nerfed to the ground.

Healing is the ultimate cancer in this game, Durok's is just the first round of chemo.

Mr_Nobody

Stratforge wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

No you dont need to be super smart or good at theorycrafting to realize that duroks bane is an ultimate cancer. I guess we will just have to wait a bit so it gets nerfed to the ground.

Healing is the ultimate cancer in this game, Durok's is just the first round of chemo.

Depends from whatever point you look at it, it is a ~50% damage increase on a class which doesnt spam shields.

WeylandLabs

@zyk If its not a challenge, then why hasnt nobody done it yet ? Ohh thats right becuase some players like to think this is an esport and take this way to serious.

This is an easy game if not the easiest game i have ever played. Zos builds around people that dont want to learn. As a pvp player, pve is a joke if you can master your class and understand the mechanics of each dungeon you get anything you want. I have 40k in the bank and basically every medium heavy monster vma master weapon in the game. Give or take a few usless sets

Thats why i want to counter everything becuase when you make a meta and get nerfed 4-5x it gets boring. And i feel its good for the community to think of how to also. So what i dont see somebody else will.

Why you think there are so many Argonian mag templars in the game right now. Its hands down the best ... and nobody speaks of it, becuase they dont understand how it is. And just right there 60% of all counters come into play.


@chris211 The Sloads meta and Duroks is another variation of the build i posted a year ago. Except on a stam sorc id use Bloodthirsty trait on the jewelry still use my vma dagger and axe with master bow pioson inject 1 dawn breaker to much to pressure to recover and bloodthirsty buffs implosion scales on hp but still would proc more but nobody has figured that out yet lol so wham bam RIP.

And the only thing im doing is countering 1 persons build not open world pvp or group not bgs just that 1 build with any race class gear set skills and roations.

Mr_Nobody

Yet you can only counter Duroks with Duroks, which means it needs to be adjusted.

Lexxypwns

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Yet you can only counter Duroks with Duroks, which means it needs to be adjusted.

Sadly, the best builds I’ve found to counter the meta are just “meta harder” if your opponent is running Sload+Durok’s you should probably have Zaan on too so you can melt him faster.

AFAIK Troll King still ignores Defile which can give you an interesting counter to Duroks+Sload. Even when defiles you’ll still have enough Health Regen to “mitigate” sload. But then you’ve still got reduced heaing to deal with the rest of their pressure.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=65875

Something like that has the tools to deal with this meta in a 1v1, because it embraces the meta just as hard. But if you’re defiled with multiple sload procs it’s gonna be rough for everyone

WeylandLabs

As i completely agree with @Lexxypwns you counter metas with new or old variation metas or in this case certain bugs that nobody reports. Aka Troll king...

You can also work in wryds tree to set up burst and heal ... oh its a light armour mag set ok ? Its still viable when im fighting my own builds. 3 jewely 1 bow back bar. Vigor dark deal full hp every 15 sec. Enough to keep you in the fight and set up a burst and TKO.

Lexxypwns

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

As i completely agree with @Lexxypwns you counter metas with new or old variation metas or in this case certain bugs that nobody reports. Aka Troll king...

You can also work in wryds tree to set up burst and heal ... oh its a light armour mag set ok ? Its still viable when im fighting my own builds. 3 jewely 1 bow back bar. Vigor dark deal full hp every 15 sec. Enough to keep you in the fight and set up a burst and TKO.

I’ve personally reported TK more than 10 times over 9+ months. It’s common knowledge tbh

Wyrd is a heavy set and it’s bad, when you identify a user you time your dots against his procs

Derra

Imo you can counter most meta with playstyle aswell - atleast for NB and Sorc.

However that does not work for duels as these scenarios artifically restrict vital parts of the nb and sorc class in the process limiting potential.

SubtleHate

What kind of post is this lmaooo

Lexxypwns

Derra wrote: »

Imo you can counter most meta with playstyle aswell - atleast for NB and Sorc.

However that does not work for duels as these scenarios artifically restrict vital parts of the nb and sorc class in the process limiting potential.

So basically we can choose not to engage anyone and therefore have hard countered the meta?

Serjustin19

This is more like "best build advice ever" seriously, I'm looking for advice of new build)

Irylia

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

As i completely agree with @Lexxypwns you counter metas with new or old variation metas or in this case certain bugs that nobody reports. Aka Troll king...

You can also work in wryds tree to set up burst and heal ... oh its a light armour mag set ok ? Its still viable when im fighting my own builds. 3 jewely 1 bow back bar. Vigor dark deal full hp every 15 sec. Enough to keep you in the fight and set up a burst and TKO.

Yea... no.

Wyrd cleanses you for a second until you engage again or any of your abilities (dots/ground effects) proc duroks on you the second after.

Highly inefficient..

There is nothing to gain by countering a single persons build and be useless vs a dozen others.

Lexxypwns

Irylia wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

As i completely agree with @Lexxypwns you counter metas with new or old variation metas or in this case certain bugs that nobody reports. Aka Troll king...

You can also work in wryds tree to set up burst and heal ... oh its a light armour mag set ok ? Its still viable when im fighting my own builds. 3 jewely 1 bow back bar. Vigor dark deal full hp every 15 sec. Enough to keep you in the fight and set up a burst and TKO.

Yea... no.

Wyrd cleanses you for a second until you engage again or any of your abilities (dots/ground effects) proc duroks on you the second after.

Highly inefficient..

There is nothing to gain by countering a single persons build and be useless vs a dozen others.

Plus there’s no guarantee it purges what you want. If you’ve got Ele drain, sload, 2x DoT poison, reach, a snare, and a defile then you’re still gonna have some pretty bad debuffs after you waste your 5pc bonus. Even if it gave 3-5 seconds of immunity to the effects it purges it still wouldn’t be reliable.

The same is true for alliance ward purge and Templar ritual, they’re just more efficient because you give up 1/10 skill slots instead of 1/2 5pc bonuses

caeliusstarbreaker

You never die if you never log in.

Mihael

If it’s a non proctard/defile build just equip similar gear and learn to play better than your opponent

If it’s a proctard/defile build wish that someday the zos developers will finally care enough to try to balance their game

Ez

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