Coders and critics

jrodriguez

Am I the only programmer here completely disgusted and appalled by people making absurd unfounded comments on code fixes, improvements, and troubleshooting without any possible idea of how ESO actually works. Its so annoying and silly!

** Edited for the trolls / grammer and tipos resonabli coreted.

Cadbury

Agreed. I'm wearing my PARS shirt to show my support against this egregious affront.

Fjorynn

Enlighten us.

Casterial

jrodriguez wrote: »

Am I the only programmer here completely disgusted and appauled by people making obsurd unfounded comments on code fixes, improvements, and troishooting without and possible idea of how eso actually works. Its so annoying and silly!

No, I am a gameplay programmer and I really do feel like their game is only tested by us on the PTR. Have you not been in Cyrodiil to see how chaotic the client is acting?

Its pretty sad, yes with fixes comes bugs... But some of these "bugs" are purely game breaking.
I'm mainly talking about the large FPS drop from combat currently.

MLGProPlayer

Casterial wrote: »

jrodriguez wrote: »

Am I the only programmer here completely disgusted and appauled by people making obsurd unfounded comments on code fixes, improvements, and troishooting without and possible idea of how eso actually works. Its so annoying and silly!

No, I am a gameplay programmer and I really do feel like their game is only tested by us on the PTR. Have you not been in Cyrodiil to see how chaotic the client is acting?

Its pretty sad, yes with fixes comes bugs... But some of these "bugs" are purely game breaking.
I'm mainly talking about the large FPS drop from combat currently.

If you were a gameplay developer, you'd know about the engine they are using (Hero) and what a steaming pile of *** it is. The decision to use that engine was made years before the game launched (most likely by suits, not devs). There isn't much the dev team can do right now to improve performance.

Casterial

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

If you were a gameplay developer, you'd know about the engine they are using (Hero) and what a steaming pile of *** it is. The decision to use that engine was made years before the game launched (most likely by suits, not devs). There isn't much the dev team can do right now to improve performance.

I know its Hero Engine, but its a heavily modified hero engine.. Its all blue printing if I am correct as well.. Which is always going to have very bad optimization.

And I do know this, the only way to revert anything would be rebuilding or making their own engine.. Which they are slowly doing themselves with Hero Engine by continually modifying it.

ookami007

jrodriguez wrote: »

Am I the only programmer here completely disgusted and appauled by people making obsurd unfounded comments on code fixes, improvements, and troishooting without and possible idea of how eso actually works. Its so annoying and silly!

I'm a full stack developer and have been for a LONG time on one system or another, one operating system or another and one programming language or another.

If I put out the type of shoddy code that gets past their QA people, I would very soon not have a job - nor would my QA team.

Some of the claims and demands ARE outrageous, but QAing is something they simply don't do any professional capacity that wouldn't get them fired in the "real" world.

@ code in banking or healthcare, both of fields I've worked in, and you'd find yourself not only fired, but most likely the company fined.

LadyLavina

jrodriguez wrote: »

Am I the only programmer here completely disgusted and appauled by people making obsurd unfounded comments on code fixes, improvements, and troishooting without and possible idea of how eso actually works. Its so annoying and silly!

nope. I don't even do the same kind of work (Full Stack JS Web & App) and I recognize it for the ignorant nonsense that it is.

Smasherx74

jrodriguez wrote: »

Am I the only programmer here completely disgusted and appauled by people making obsurd unfounded comments on code fixes, improvements, and troishooting without and possible idea of how eso actually works. Its so annoying and silly!

I doubt you're the only one but a few of us acknowledge how poorly optimized this game has been in the past and still is. Granted it's a MMO, but certain things should be prioritized, such as addressing latency issues affecting gameplay mechanics instead of focusing efforts on pointlessly nerfing/buffing everything somewhat arbitrarily. The game if they put enough time and resources into it, could definitely perform a lot better.

starkerealm

No, you're not the only one.

Elsonso

jrodriguez wrote: »

Am I the only programmer here completely disgusted and appauled by people making obsurd unfounded comments on code fixes, improvements, and troishooting without and possible idea of how eso actually works. Its so annoying and silly!

It's been going on for years.

phaneub17_ESO

I know... visual basics, I can fix this game!

VaranisArano

Most players may not know how to fix something or how difficult it would be to implement a fix...but we certainly know when things are broken.

And, well, there are a lot of things that are broken and have been for some time, or bugs that were fixed that get broken again, or new bugs introduced with each new update. There's bugs pointed out on the PTS that go Live.

The best way to stop players from offering unknowledge suggestions and unworkable solutions is to fix the game. or at the very least, be transparent about not having a solution.

starkerealm

Fjorynn wrote: »

Enlighten us.

Here's a start:

Casterial

starkerealm wrote: »

Fjorynn wrote: »

Enlighten us.

Here's a start:

OMG LOL

sylviermoone

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starkerealm wrote: »

Fjorynn wrote: »

Enlighten us.

Here's a start:

This might be the best thing I've ever seen.

While I do occasionally get annoyed by unfounded comments re: code and bug fixing, I think we could all agree that the code is probably overdue for refactoring and optimization.

Elusiin

jrodriguez wrote: »

Am I the only programmer here completely disgusted and appauled by people making obsurd unfounded comments on code fixes, improvements, and troishooting without and possible idea of how eso actually works. Its so annoying and silly!

People still complaining about server lag and making jokes that zos can't even fix there servers...

... They don't understand how the internet works.

Jameliel

DanteMR1995 wrote: »

jrodriguez wrote: »

Am I the only programmer here completely disgusted and appauled by people making obsurd unfounded comments on code fixes, improvements, and troishooting without and possible idea of how eso actually works. Its so annoying and silly!

People still complaining about server lag and making jokes that zos can't even fix there servers...

... They don't understand how the internet works.

But do they know grammar "there"? SMH...the irony of idiocy.

AuldWolf

Unlike the game code, the UI code is open. Some of that can be a nightmare. Such as ESO throwing errors without any addons installed because of a function where they forgot to check if a variable exists before trying to concatenate it with a string. In something like this, you want to always have checks and useful error messages. Having '.. is not a valid operator for nil' pop up on someone's screen when they don't even use addons isn't the best.

I do think they could stand to pull their socks up a bit and do more internal testing and quality control. It's like the Hireling of House Telvanni bug, there's a good theory going around about how that got broken and if it's right then it's really something they should've caught.

I don't think that they're inept, at all, but that they do rush things out all too often. They just don't test enough.

And when you don't test enough, even the easy stuff slips through.

runagate

jrodriguez wrote: »

Am I the only programmer here completely disgusted and appauled by people making obsurd unfounded comments on code fixes, improvements, and troishooting without and possible idea of how eso actually works. Its so annoying and silly!

Am I the only person appalled by someone being arrogant while completely misspelling ordinary words on a forum with automatic spellchecking underlining typos?

Woeler

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

jrodriguez wrote: »

Am I the only programmer here completely disgusted and appauled by people making obsurd unfounded comments on code fixes, improvements, and troishooting without and possible idea of how eso actually works. Its so annoying and silly!

No, I am a gameplay programmer and I really do feel like their game is only tested by us on the PTR. Have you not been in Cyrodiil to see how chaotic the client is acting?

Its pretty sad, yes with fixes comes bugs... But some of these "bugs" are purely game breaking.
I'm mainly talking about the large FPS drop from combat currently.

If you were a gameplay developer, you'd know about the engine they are using (Hero) and what a steaming pile of *** it is. The decision to use that engine was made years before the game launched (most likely by suits, not devs). There isn't much the dev team can do right now to improve performance.

Ah, you’re one of “those” devs.

swippy

runagate wrote: »

jrodriguez wrote: »

Am I the only programmer here completely disgusted and appauled by people making obsurd unfounded comments on code fixes, improvements, and troishooting without and possible idea of how eso actually works. Its so annoying and silly!

Am I the only person appalled by someone being arrogant while completely misspelling ordinary words on a forum with automatic spellchecking underlining typos?

i'm not appalled, but i am hoping this person's coding is more rigorous than their English. and i didn't know this place had their own spellcheck; i don't remember turning that one off...

but what do i know. i still capitalize like an IRCer.