Who's idea was it to drop newbies in Summerset?

MaleAmazon

as if i believe of what ive seen it as being right first you go to vardenfell, then clockwork city then wailing prison

Wailing prison is first. They changed it with Morrowind so that you start on the ship (with a new character) and they added the hooded NPC with the "hi, please walk into my trap" dialogue. However the events and dialogue in the alliance zones can´t really be properly interpreted unless you have gone through wailing prison first (for example I suppose it´s the reason Uldor doesn´t want to "wear" you in Tears of the two moons). And while the dialogue apparently changes accordingly if you haven´t met them, you do meet people in CWC that seem placed there because they are familiar faces.

In order to start CWC you talk to Divayth Fyr who´s in Mournhold, so it is kind of implied that you are familiar with the mainland zones.

It is a bit of a mess though, and of course you don´t really miss out on much by doing things in the 'wrong' order.

Personally I like to RP that the whole "resurrect with soul gem" only makes sense if you lose your soul, which you do in the main quest.

Don´t ask me how this works post-MQ. It just does. In my head.

Kiralyn2000

It could definitely use something, like the leveling guide or the Cadwell's Silver/Gold guide, to tell new players "If you want to follow the original story in it's entirety, go this way--->."

DuskMarine

MaleAmazon wrote: »

as if i believe of what ive seen it as being right first you go to vardenfell, then clockwork city then wailing prison

Wailing prison is first. They changed it with Morrowind so that you start on the ship (with a new character) and they added the hooded NPC with the "hi, please walk into my trap" dialogue. However the events and dialogue in the alliance zones can´t really be properly interpreted unless you have gone through wailing prison first (for example I suppose it´s the reason Uldor doesn´t want to "wear" you in Tears of the two moons).

In order to start CWC you talk to Divayth Fyr who´s in Mournhold, so it is kind of implied that you are familiar with the mainland zones.

It is a bit of a mess though, and of course you don´t really miss out on much by doing things in the 'wrong' order.

Personally I like to RP that the whole "resurrect with soul gem" only makes sense if you lose your soul, which you do in the main quest.

Don´t ask me how this works post-MQ. It just does. In my head.

its just odd how it falls cronologically now

Rosveen

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driosketch wrote: »

I would argue for new, actual new, players it's better slow. They need to learn the ABCs of combat mechanics before they start rushing off to level 50. When a player is ready to grind, they will know where to go, or will do the research.

Cambruin wrote: »

And what about the lore-perspective?! You're dropped in this highly off-limits region without any reason given

Welcome to Elder Scrolls games. Especially from TES III: Morrowind, you start out a prisoner without any backstory. You are meant to fill that in yourself. Honestly, ESO is a bit better providing you context by comparison.

I will say, though, for experienced players choosing the start point for a new character should be an option.

YEP! I made a bosmer NB for PvP the other day and was kinda shocked that I had no choice as too where I could start my character because morrowind actually gave you a choice, you could start the original story or start on vardenfell... now you have no choice...again....

Remember they actually had to ADD IT IN because people complained lol.

People buy the content then they try to push you into playing it right out of the bat instead of starting from the ground up.

Also if you start in summer set you're effectively doing the entire overarching story of the game backwards...which is....well not interesting. its actually kind of annoying.

Morrowind did not give you a choice any more than Summerset.

If you owned Morrowind, you did the tutorial or started in Seyda Neen. You could wayshrine to a starter city if you wanted to do the main quest.

If you own summerset, you do the tutorial or you start in Shimmerene. If you want to do the main quest, you wayshrine to your starter city.

I wish we still did the Coldharbor tutorial and then it dropped us off in the new content instead.

As far as I remember we had a choice but only after a while of complaining. I remember the threads about it too. My warden had the choice when I made it (now deleted as warden is 100% boredom on steroids).

No, we never had a choice, I'm not sure what you're remembering. Perhaps the standard option to skip the tutorial if you've already done it on another character?

MaleAmazon

its just odd how it falls cronologically now

Yes and the more i think about it the more I think they dropped the ball. They could have made it more coherent.

I don´t remember it being explicitly said, but I think the ´soul magic´ skilline is kind of there because your soul got stolen in the first place, I think. I doubt random people can just employ that kind of magic, and it increases with the MQ missions. It´s also there to give a reason why you can resurrect anywhere, I guess. I think it´s a pretty slick solution to the ´no saves in an MMO´ problem.

And I think it just works better if you know who Naryu is, if you´re familiar with Neramo, if you know who Razum-dar is, when you meet them in the DLCs. People being put in Summerset before Vvardenfell makes no sense - take for example the Veya Releth story.

Or to put it another way; the vanilla quests are kind of a letdown if you do them after the higher-quality DLC quests.

DuskMarine

MaleAmazon wrote: »

its just odd how it falls cronologically now

Yes and the more i think about it the more I think they dropped the ball. They could have made it more coherent.

I don´t remember it being explicitly said, but I think the ´soul magic´ skilline is kind of there because your soul got stolen in the first place, I think. I doubt random people can just employ that kind of magic, and it increases with the MQ missions. It´s also there to give a reason why you can resurrect anywhere, I guess. I think it´s a pretty slick solution to the ´no saves in an MMO´ problem.

And I think it just works better if you know who Naryu is, if you´re familiar with Neramo, if you know who Razum-dar is, when you meet the in the DLCs. People being put in Summerset before Vvardenfell makes no sense - take for example the Veya Releth story.

Or to put it another way; the vanilla quests are kind of a letdown if you do them after the higher-quality DLC quests.

the soul magic skill line i think was added cause just for an excuse for soul trap.....cause soul gems are a thing to be refilled when we have them coming out of our ears lol. but yea the way the story is set its like just put it to where we have to take it chronologically cause the golden knight we know who it is already. but the point of nobodys gonna understand his point without the main story its just a huge mind fart if you dont have some chronological order.

hellothere

Cambruin wrote: »

It has some of the absolute worst xp/hour ratio, making it a very bad idea for new players. There's not even as much as an explanation of where to go for those who wish to leave. Just ran to both harbors I saw, not a single ship taking me to Vvardenfell, Stros m'Kai, ... And what about the lore-perspective?! You're dropped in this highly off-limits region without any reason given and if a reason is given you'd need to look for it. I haven't found it, but honestly can't be *rsed neither as the region has no appeal to me whatsoever.

Why can't we start in one of the actual starting areas instead where xp is bountiful and new players get an actual sense of progression?

When I was a noob I thought vvanderfell was the whole game then I accidentally zoomed out more and my life changed

AlnilamE

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Indeed, if you're a brand new character in Summerset, you're simply a newcomer there for whatever reason thanks to the Queen's Decree. As with Elder Scrolls tradition that backstory is up to you.

Except it´s not. The dialogue with Razum-dar implies that you´ve met, and the Summerset story follows on the Morrowind one.


The only explanation is that ´you´ve forgotten things´, when in fact you haven´t, you haven´t done them yet.

If you have not done the quests in AD, Razum-dar does not know you and calls you "my new friend".

I did the intro quest on a character that has completed AD and on a character that has not started questing there yet and the lines are different.

idk

OP has been around 2 years. I would have though by now he found a way to level up a character that suited he tasts.

If a new player is not really totally interested in racing to end game the new zone is perfect for them. If they are interested in rushing they probably know how to go about finding good methods to level a character. It is pretty simple after all.

ProfoundlyFaded

RedRook wrote: »

I agree. Let people who already have CP alts choose where they want to start, but put actual noobs in the wailing prison and then the starter islands, it makes a lot more sense and they already have a lot of new information to process without the wtfery of dropping them in Summerset.

Sorry, but speaking as an actual noob to the game, I'm gonna honestly say, I didn't give a flying wotsit about where I started.

Having now gone through the prison, having had a bit of time to get my head around the game before becoming The Vestige has, arguably, been a better experience for me over being catapulted into a game world that I don't know well. One of the reasons I couldn't get on with Skyrim was because how we were just dropped in as a prisoner and sent out into the world.

Summerset is arguably an ease into that status.

That said, I think it would be great give starting options of either in the DLC or the proper main quest.

Violynne

Cambruin wrote: »

Why can't we start in one of the actual starting areas instead where xp is bountiful and new players get an actual sense of progression?

When I started my 4th alt, pre Summerset, and found myself in Morrowind, I said, "Screw finding a boat. I'm swimming to Khenarthi's Roost."

Damn slaughterfish.