Moondancer: One or the other!

Ectheliontnacil

Would you be in favour of moondancer either giving the spelldmg bonus or the magregen bonus, but not a 1/2 chance of getting the dmg or the sustain.

The 5 piece on moondancer would be a very viable option for dd's in the current patch, since the bonus is easily frontbarrable and it comes with a relatively good uptime and some sweet stats. But the fact that you never know if you'll get the regen or the spelldmg, makes it very hard to actually build around the 5 piece. The proposed change would remedy that problem, perhaps the set would have to be slightly adjusted so it does not overperform. Would be nice to see this set used a bit more often .

Let me know what you think.

SugaComa

Just run it as a three piece
.. and run something else to compliment it

Ectheliontnacil

@SugaComa

But that's not really how you're meant to run a set, and it loses all it's uniqueness. Just 2 generic bonuses.

Also in the current meta 3 pieces aren't hugely relevant to the best of my knowledge.

Unless you're doing 3dd dungeon runs where the tank doesn't need to apply concussion and vulnerability and one dd slots the asylum destro. But that's very niche. Correct me if I'm wrong.

VilniusNastavnik

Either bonus is of benefit. Just roll the dice and hope for the best. I'd rather the spell damage by the way.

SugaComa

My worry with a lot players and including your self is you think sets have to be complete ...

But they don't ...

5 julianos
2 skoria/illambris
3 moondancer
2 turogs pact swords front bar
And restro staff back barred with infused magic regen trait so you can heavy for resources

Ectheliontnacil

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Either bonus is of benefit. Just roll the dice and hope for the best. I'd rather the spell damage by the way.

Of course both are beneficial. However if you build to sustain without the moondancer 5 piece, the regen proc will be overkill (maybe you don't have to worry about recasting siphoning attacks, but that's about it).

And if you build relies on the 5 pc moondancer for sustain and you get the spelldmg bonus, you may actually end up dealing less dmg because you need to weave in heavy attack's constantly since your magicka pool is constantly dried out.

Ectheliontnacil

SugaComa wrote: »

My worry with a lot players and including your self is you think sets have to be complete ...

But they don't ...

5 julianos
2 skoria/illambris
3 moondancer
2 turogs pact swords front bar
And restro staff back barred with infused magic regen trait so you can heavy for resources

@SugaComa
No serious dps build runs a resto on swap. I'm sorry if it wasn't clear to you that I was talking about the end game trial usefulness of moondancer.

SugaComa

That set up is more than doable as end game content ... The restro back bar was something I would advice someone new to the set up who had damage glyphs on jewelry to help them with resource management and to have healing sheild available

If you like go destro staff for increased DPS with more destro abilities and fewer class abilities

What I'm saying is you don't need to go full 5 moondancer ... That set up 5,3,2,2 is better than 5,5,2 set up

That's the beauty of sets ... You can mix them in unexpected ways for great non meta builds that are fun to play

BRCOURTN

SugaComa wrote: »

That set up is more than doable as end game content ... The restro back bar was something I would advice someone new to the set up who had damage glyphs on jewelry to help them with resource management and to have healing sheild available

If you like go destro staff for increased DPS with more destro abilities and fewer class abilities

What I'm saying is you don't need to go full 5 moondancer ... That set up 5,3,2,2 is better than 5,5,2 set up

That's the beauty of sets ... You can mix them in unexpected ways for great non meta builds that are fun to play

This may be a silly question, but why wouldn't you want to just finish out the 5 set with two moondancer swords? I mean you'd get the same spell damage bonus with the 4 piece bonus, and the 5 piece would then just be a bonus. You could even get a moondancer resto on your back bar for 0 downtime i guess. I don't play any magicka end game builds, so I'm just curious.

SugaComa

You can also go masters inferno back bar and perfected asylum front bar

GaunterODim

with siroria being by far the best in summerset, the relevance of moondancer is not too great anyway.

Haquor

SugaComa wrote: »

My worry with a lot players and including your self is you think sets have to be complete ...

But they don't ...

5 julianos
2 skoria/illambris
3 moondancer
2 turogs pact swords front bar
And restro staff back barred with infused magic regen trait so you can heavy for resources

In the above combination you have 9 set bonuses(because the first piece doesnt do anything unless its a monster set). Only one of which is a 5 piece which are the most significant. A 5-5-2 setup gives you 10. That includes two of the 5 piece bonuses which will greatly exceed your setup when build correctly.

You can have a problem with people that think sets should be complete. But the bonuses to running less sets and more 5 pieces are hard to pass up.

Ectheliontnacil

@SugaComa

Have you done vCR HM with backbar resto? If not, then don't claim you can do end game content with it .

And 5,3,2,2 is not a very good spec. Magicka dd's are very limited in their gear options. 5 Siroria's, 5 mother's frontbar, 1vma backbar, 2pc scoria is what magblades run. Petsorcs also use necro and warden can use MA with the bear ulti. I'm all for non meta specs, but in a scenario where you need to squeeze out every bit of dmg possible to compete, your proposed setup would probably not be ideal.

SugaComa wrote: »

You can also go masters inferno back bar and perfected asylum front bar

Why would I backbar the master inferno, vma inferno is BiS for every magicka dd unless im mistaken. Also the perfected asylum is not hugely viable on a number of classes and in a trial environment.

SugaComa

Your question didn't indicate any particular content and to answer your question ... No I haven't arthritis in my hand limits me from end game content

My hands lock at random intervals causing me to not be able to press button, fire my ultimate when I don't need to as well as other highly amusing actions

Alot of player run Nmol and do other normal dungeons as they learn i assumed you were doing this

My advice was to allow someone new to trials play some content and to also indicate that they can think outside of the box if a 5 peice bonus goes against what they would like

Seeing as you can't change the 5th set bonus you could circumvent it

But personally I'd just run the 5 peice and keep hitting synergies every 15 seconds to take advantage of both procs double down on a synergy if you need one more than an other

But then I'm only theorising here

SugaComa

You're right mealstrom for pve, i mainly PvP so masters would be your go to version