Is Berserker Strike balanced?

ChefZero

If you compare the costs of Berserker Strike 150 to skills like Dawnbreaker 125 or Death Stroke 70 doesn't seem it unbalanced?

Animus-ESO

Yeah I think it could use a buff

Thogard

If we go with the assumption that incap is as cheap as it is because it’s single target, then yes, berserker strike should have its cost lowered to match.

Vapirko

Thogard wrote: »

If we go with the assumption that incap is as cheap as it is because it’s single target, then yes, berserker strike should have its cost lowered to match.

Although I think we can all agree incap needs an increase in cost. Incap is a million times better than beserk strike. If incap were the 2H ult everyone would be using it. I don’t think any ult should be as low of a cost as incap. And incap should probably be at least 125 if not 150 seeing how well NBs gain ult.

GreenSoup2HoT

The biggest issue in my mind is that the ultimate feels clunky. Onslaught needs an indicator when someone is in a threshold to get the ultimate refunded, similar to killers blade. I wouldnt use it over Incap simply because healing debuffs are so so strong at the moment.

ChefZero

Please note that this thread isn't a NB only discussion, so picking Incap over Onslaught is no viable option for the other classes.

Also I think there's a subjective view and missunderstanding of Berserker Strike cause of Onslaught morph. This skill is no execute and if you decrease the cost to 100 for example there would be no reason for using Onslaught morph IMO.

Please consider all morphs for discussion and don't transmut it to an Incap-OP-Thread.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Berserker srike is a defensive ultimate. You are comparing it to offensive ultis. It is like comparing meteor to nova. Yes they are similar, yes they both do damage but one is just damage and nova had major maim.

olsborg

It needs something, making it undodgeable would be ...ye

ChefZero

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Berserker srike is a defensive ultimate. You are comparing it to offensive ultis. It is like comparing meteor to nova. Yes they are similar, yes they both do damage but one is just damage and nova had major maim.

Yep many people only see damage if they look on a skill.

olsborg wrote: »

It needs something, making it undodgeable would be ...ye

Can't agree with that. IMO all three aforementioned Ultimates are ok with what they can do. Only needed to adjust the costs.

Maybe something like:
DS 100-125
BS 100-125
DB 150

Juhasow

The problem is not too expensive Berserker Strike for what is doing but too cheap Incap for all it gives.

Brutusmax1mus

Incap isn't that cheap, i mean 90 ult would be reasonable. What makes makes incap so effective is nb passives, cyro passives, asylum 2h set bonus. Right now killing some one with an incap and reverse slash grants about 30 ultimate immediately, add in the night blade pot for another 20, and 7 seconds of ult regen from light attacks and you've got another incap. I love when they block and u get 2 or 3 reverse slashes in. It's awesome. But that's a problem with skil synergy and not incap.

thankyourat

I think it should cost 70 ultimate just like incap. This will give all stamina users the option of having a cheap single Target ult or a strong aoe ultimate. Even though I feel most people will still use dbos. In my opinion it's the best ultimate in the game

raasdal

Berserker Strike is in a great spot, when talking pure performance / what it does.

Only problem is, it is too expensive. Just compare to the other Single Target ults, like Soul Assault or Incap. I think this is the most expensive single target ult in the game?

Problem is, i think they balanced it towards defensive ults, which are generally more expensive that offensive.

But since this is a middle ground ulti, i think it should have its cost lowered to about 100-120.

ChefZero

raasdal wrote: »

Problem is, i think they balanced it towards defensive ults, which are generally more expensive that offensive.

Like Shield Wall 135?
Maybe they wanted it to be a PvE Ult..

Ankael07

thankyourat wrote: »

I think it should cost 70 ultimate just like incap. This will give all stamina users the option of having a cheap single Target ult or a strong aoe ultimate. Even though I feel most people will still use dbos. In my opinion it's the best ultimate in the game

I disagree. Class ultimates should always be superior to their Weapon counterparts

Brutusmax1mus

Ankael07 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I think it should cost 70 ultimate just like incap. This will give all stamina users the option of having a cheap single Target ult or a strong aoe ultimate. Even though I feel most people will still use dbos. In my opinion it's the best ultimate in the game

I disagree. Class ultimates should always be superior to their Weapon counterparts

They should be balanced

Juhasow

Ankael07 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I think it should cost 70 ultimate just like incap. This will give all stamina users the option of having a cheap single Target ult or a strong aoe ultimate. Even though I feel most people will still use dbos. In my opinion it's the best ultimate in the game

I disagree. Class ultimates should always be superior to their Weapon counterparts

This is basicly rule You just created which have no reasoning behind it.

Thogard

thankyourat wrote: »

I think it should cost 70 ultimate just like incap. This will give all stamina users the option of having a cheap single Target ult or a strong aoe ultimate. Even though I feel most people will still use dbos. In my opinion it's the best ultimate in the game

I like this a lot. One of the main reasons NBs are so strong 1v1 is because they’re using their ult so much more often than other classes. The fact that it’s only a single target ult doesn’t matter in 1v1.

This would balance a lot of things. Good add.

ChefZero

Thogard wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I think it should cost 70 ultimate just like incap. This will give all stamina users the option of having a cheap single Target ult or a strong aoe ultimate. Even though I feel most people will still use dbos. In my opinion it's the best ultimate in the game

I like this a lot. One of the main reasons NBs are so strong 1v1 is because they’re using their ult so much more often than other classes. The fact that it’s only a single target ult doesn’t matter in 1v1.

This would balance a lot of things. Good add.

I don't know if Berserker Strike would cost 70 it forces NBs to incap and non NBs to BS, means no improvement to build diversity. Both ults should cost 100, 70 is so easy and fast to get. No ultimate should be spamable, no matter single target or AoE damage.

Thogard

ChefZero wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I think it should cost 70 ultimate just like incap. This will give all stamina users the option of having a cheap single Target ult or a strong aoe ultimate. Even though I feel most people will still use dbos. In my opinion it's the best ultimate in the game

I like this a lot. One of the main reasons NBs are so strong 1v1 is because they’re using their ult so much more often than other classes. The fact that it’s only a single target ult doesn’t matter in 1v1.

This would balance a lot of things. Good add.

I don't know if Berserker Strike would cost 70 it forces NBs to incap and non NBs to BS, means no improvement to build diversity. Both ults should cost 100, 70 is so easy and fast to get. No ultimate should be spamable, no matter single target or AoE damage.

Yeah that’s fair to have the cost of both at 100. But I would like some parity between berserker strike and incap.

Lexxypwns

Onslaught needs 2 Changes. A cost reduction to ~100 ult and cleave damage that scales similarly to reverse slice

Brutusmax1mus

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Onslaught needs 2 Changes. A cost reduction to ~100 ult and cleave damage that scales similarly to reverse slice

That would be broken as hell. It would make it so easy to chain onslaught.

ChefZero

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Onslaught needs 2 Changes. A cost reduction to ~100 ult and cleave damage that scales similarly to reverse slice

100 cost ok but to be honest this skill is far away from weak. With a cost reduction and the use of Berserker Rage morph you have the ability to be most time at resistance cap and immune to snare and root

Onslaught is a PvE morph in my opinion.

Ankael07

Juhasow wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I think it should cost 70 ultimate just like incap. This will give all stamina users the option of having a cheap single Target ult or a strong aoe ultimate. Even though I feel most people will still use dbos. In my opinion it's the best ultimate in the game

I disagree. Class ultimates should always be superior to their Weapon counterparts

This is basicly rule You just created which have no reasoning behind it.

This has been an ongoing rule for a while with the exception of a few skills. The reasoning behind is simple enough... class choices should matter.

ChefZero

Ankael07 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I think it should cost 70 ultimate just like incap. This will give all stamina users the option of having a cheap single Target ult or a strong aoe ultimate. Even though I feel most people will still use dbos. In my opinion it's the best ultimate in the game

I disagree. Class ultimates should always be superior to their Weapon counterparts

Wrong. There should be no counterparts. Also Incap is no counterpart to Onslaught.

thankyourat

Ankael07 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I think it should cost 70 ultimate just like incap. This will give all stamina users the option of having a cheap single Target ult or a strong aoe ultimate. Even though I feel most people will still use dbos. In my opinion it's the best ultimate in the game

I disagree. Class ultimates should always be superior to their Weapon counterparts

At 70 ultimate you could argue that incap is still the better ultimate. At 100 ultimate it's no reason to use this over dbos. I wouldn't even use incap if it was 100 ultimate. If I'm going to pay 100 or more for a ultimate it's going to be aoe

Lexxypwns

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Onslaught needs 2 Changes. A cost reduction to ~100 ult and cleave damage that scales similarly to reverse slice

That would be broken as hell. It would make it so easy to chain onslaught.

Sorry I wasn’t clear, I specifically meant the aoe scaling not the execute damage scaling

ChefZero

thankyourat wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I think it should cost 70 ultimate just like incap. This will give all stamina users the option of having a cheap single Target ult or a strong aoe ultimate. Even though I feel most people will still use dbos. In my opinion it's the best ultimate in the game

I disagree. Class ultimates should always be superior to their Weapon counterparts

At 70 ultimate you could argue that incap is still the better ultimate. At 100 ultimate it's no reason to use this over dbos. I wouldn't even use incap if it was 100 ultimate. If I'm going to pay 100 or more for a ultimate it's going to be aoe

And if DB would cost 150?

Juhasow

Ankael07 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I think it should cost 70 ultimate just like incap. This will give all stamina users the option of having a cheap single Target ult or a strong aoe ultimate. Even though I feel most people will still use dbos. In my opinion it's the best ultimate in the game

I disagree. Class ultimates should always be superior to their Weapon counterparts

This is basicly rule You just created which have no reasoning behind it.

This has been an ongoing rule for a while with the exception of a few skills. The reasoning behind is simple enough... class choices should matter.

Lol yeah and weapons choices shouldnt ? Still no reasoning behind Your rule. It's not like class ultimates are the main thing that makes You to choose certain class.

BohnT

If you are overbuffing beserk strike we could run into the same issue we have with Stamnbs right now.
Running into a fight and ending it in less than 3 seconds.

Beserk strike brings some unique and strong things to the table.
- ignores resistances (very very, strong guarantees 8-12k hits on any player with a crit)
- good damage
- gives you often more than 20k resistances in some situations even 30k+ resistances which means that you'll have 50% damage mitigation for the duration against any build that doesn't feature an absurd amount of resistances
- one good morph for any situation and one situational one that can be very strong

Imo a cost reduction is needed but not lower than 110 ultimate. You have to remember that you have a high damage ult that provides good defence aswell.

lazerlaz

Vapirko wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

If we go with the assumption that incap is as cheap as it is because it’s single target, then yes, berserker strike should have its cost lowered to match.

Although I think we can all agree incap needs an increase in cost. Incap is a million times better than beserk strike. If incap were the 2H ult everyone would be using it. I don’t think any ult should be as low of a cost as incap. And incap should probably be at least 125 if not 150 seeing how well NBs gain ult.

If incap cost any higher then the obvious choice would be to drop incap and go DBoS. Cone that hits as hard initial, knocks down, can't dodge, and adds a dot?

If the cost went up, incap wouldn't be as desirable anymore. And, defile doesn't last long enough to warrant using incap over dawnbreaker if costs were matched.