Stam warden race

Bscott0905b14_ESO

Really at a toss up here, Redguard or Argonian, Orc maybe? Argonian much of a DPS loss? Looking to just PVP as a stam warden.

Enslaved

If you want to be tanky go Saxhleel. If you wanna be aggressive Orsimer is the right choice. Redguard is not bad, but for PvP I find Orsimer bonus to sprint speed and reduction of sprint cost much more important in open world PvP.

Bscott0905b14_ESO

Yeah, for the most part. Will going Argonian have a noticeable damage drop over Orc or Redguard?

Enslaved

Saxhleel will have less stamina, better sustain and less damage than Orsimer. Damage difference is few % atm, about 5-6% atm. Might be slightly bigger than that once summerset goes live.
I like both orsimer and saxhleel for PvP, what you should pick is personal preference, based on style you like.

I would go for Saxhleel if playing in a 3-4 ppl small scale group, where you can easily transit from sWar to mWar tank/healbot if needed. Saxhleel gives you more options atm. On the other hand, for solo or more ganky/kite sWar, Orsimer is better pick. It has more damage, but that speed is just too good to pass. Also, if you tend to play support sWar at any point, Orsimer can be solid rapidbot in a moderate to large group (6+). It has stamina heals, nice speed, permafrost, nice regen - what more can one ask for?

Asardes

I'd say Argonian is better suited for Magicka warden, due to the small magicka bonus, as well as the healing done (heals are mostly magicka). For Stamina I would pick Redguard, Wood Elf or even Imperial if you are building for something tankier. Mine is Imperial and I have no trouble sustaining, since I can go with Bone Pirate & Dubious Camoran for sustain and still have acceptable HP.

lao

Bscott0905b14_ESO wrote: »

Really at a toss up here, Redguard or Argonian, Orc maybe? Argonian much of a DPS loss? Looking to just PVP as a stam warden.

it really comes down to what kind of build you plan to run. there is no best race for everything. think about what you wanna do and pick a race accordingly.

some examples:

wanna run medium armor ? -> go orc for even better sprint speed.

wanna run a low regen/max burst build? -> redguard is good to help you sustain.

wanna be tanky AF? -> go lizard for more hp or nord for extra dmg reduction.

wanna run a decent regen/high dps build? -> orc/lizard/nord are all good choices here. it comes down what aspect you value the most. wanna have abit more mobility, go orc. wanna have abit more hp and sustain -> go argonian. wanna have abit more mitigation go nord.

as you can see the key is to know what you wanna do with your char and pick a race that either synergizes well with your strong points or that helps you plug holes of your weaknesses.

Still_Mind

I run Imperial. Good well-rounder in terms of stats.

Not entirely optimal, but I 'm satisfied. Can't bring myself to make all of my stam characters Redguards or Orcs.

Waffennacht

Enslaved wrote: »

Saxhleel will have less stamina, better sustain and less damage than Orsimer. Damage difference is few % atm, about 5-6% atm. Might be slightly bigger than that once summerset goes live.
I like both orsimer and saxhleel for PvP, what you should pick is personal preference, based on style you like.

I would go for Saxhleel if playing in a 3-4 ppl small scale group, where you can easily transit from sWar to mWar tank/healbot if needed. Saxhleel gives you more options atm. On the other hand, for solo or more ganky/kite sWar, Orsimer is better pick. It has more damage, but that speed is just too good to pass. Also, if you tend to play support sWar at any point, Orsimer can be solid rapidbot in a moderate to large group (6+). It has stamina heals, nice speed, permafrost, nice regen - what more can one ask for?

You just like saying Saxhleel

Takes-No-Prisoner

lao wrote: »

it really comes down to what kind of build you plan to run.

Lao is right. It does boil down to what equips/CP/play style you want to run. The race should compliment this. Don't worry about things like damage or stats yet. Know what your playstyle/build is first, then work the secondary parts into that.

For example:

I play Argonian MagNB, I built her to be very tanky, has moderately good DPS. Does this build get high damage? No. BUT, this play style AND build makes me last long enough to wear down the opponent and finish them off. Which is the point of the build.

Enslaved

Waffennacht wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Saxhleel will have less stamina, better sustain and less damage than Orsimer. Damage difference is few % atm, about 5-6% atm. Might be slightly bigger than that once summerset goes live.
I like both orsimer and saxhleel for PvP, what you should pick is personal preference, based on style you like.

I would go for Saxhleel if playing in a 3-4 ppl small scale group, where you can easily transit from sWar to mWar tank/healbot if needed. Saxhleel gives you more options atm. On the other hand, for solo or more ganky/kite sWar, Orsimer is better pick. It has more damage, but that speed is just too good to pass. Also, if you tend to play support sWar at any point, Orsimer can be solid rapidbot in a moderate to large group (6+). It has stamina heals, nice speed, permafrost, nice regen - what more can one ask for?

You just like saying Saxhleel

Its their name. Imagine calling Nord Skyrimian or Khajiit Elsweyrian. Not all Saxhleel were even born in parts of Black Marsh we know as Argonia.

Waffennacht

Enslaved wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Saxhleel will have less stamina, better sustain and less damage than Orsimer. Damage difference is few % atm, about 5-6% atm. Might be slightly bigger than that once summerset goes live.
I like both orsimer and saxhleel for PvP, what you should pick is personal preference, based on style you like.

I would go for Saxhleel if playing in a 3-4 ppl small scale group, where you can easily transit from sWar to mWar tank/healbot if needed. Saxhleel gives you more options atm. On the other hand, for solo or more ganky/kite sWar, Orsimer is better pick. It has more damage, but that speed is just too good to pass. Also, if you tend to play support sWar at any point, Orsimer can be solid rapidbot in a moderate to large group (6+). It has stamina heals, nice speed, permafrost, nice regen - what more can one ask for?

You just like saying Saxhleel

Its their name. Imagine calling Nord Skyrimian or Khajiit Elsweyrian. Not all Saxhleel were even born in parts of Black Marsh we know as Argonia.

I know lol, didn't mean anything by it, what I also find humorous is I can't, well I don't believe I can, pronounce any of those Argonian words correctly.

I prefer Argonian because I can say Argonian.

Now I'm a huge fan of the Hist. It's one of the oldest things in the elder scrolls.

The passives for Argonian are great and many people have mentioned the reasons why, except one that's going to be even more important, it's the resistance passives. With more abilities and sets applying status effects, the resistance passives play an even bigger role

Torbschka

I would suggest Nord/orc, simply for the fact that u have more flexibility in terms of builds (a build with troll king is different on Nord and redguard).

Personally I think 1200 stam regen is enough on stam warden (especially with tk).

Tzayad

Enslaved wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Saxhleel will have less stamina, better sustain and less damage than Orsimer. Damage difference is few % atm, about 5-6% atm. Might be slightly bigger than that once summerset goes live.
I like both orsimer and saxhleel for PvP, what you should pick is personal preference, based on style you like.

I would go for Saxhleel if playing in a 3-4 ppl small scale group, where you can easily transit from sWar to mWar tank/healbot if needed. Saxhleel gives you more options atm. On the other hand, for solo or more ganky/kite sWar, Orsimer is better pick. It has more damage, but that speed is just too good to pass. Also, if you tend to play support sWar at any point, Orsimer can be solid rapidbot in a moderate to large group (6+). It has stamina heals, nice speed, permafrost, nice regen - what more can one ask for?

You just like saying Saxhleel

Its their name. Imagine calling Nord Skyrimian or Khajiit Elsweyrian. Not all Saxhleel were even born in parts of Black Marsh we know as Argonia.

I'm pretty sure that's just what they call themselves, everyone else calls them Argonian (and it's what they are commonly called in ESO). Calling them Saxhleel is correct too, but just unnecessarily confusing. Argonia is called that only because Argonians live there, not the other way around

Hutch679

Enslaved wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Saxhleel will have less stamina, better sustain and less damage than Orsimer. Damage difference is few % atm, about 5-6% atm. Might be slightly bigger than that once summerset goes live.
I like both orsimer and saxhleel for PvP, what you should pick is personal preference, based on style you like.

I would go for Saxhleel if playing in a 3-4 ppl small scale group, where you can easily transit from sWar to mWar tank/healbot if needed. Saxhleel gives you more options atm. On the other hand, for solo or more ganky/kite sWar, Orsimer is better pick. It has more damage, but that speed is just too good to pass. Also, if you tend to play support sWar at any point, Orsimer can be solid rapidbot in a moderate to large group (6+). It has stamina heals, nice speed, permafrost, nice regen - what more can one ask for?

You just like saying Saxhleel

Its their name. Imagine calling Nord Skyrimian or Khajiit Elsweyrian. Not all Saxhleel were even born in parts of Black Marsh we know as Argonia.

I'm lored to death. You just lored me to sleep.

montiferus

I went Orc with my Warden and haven't looked back. Redguard would be good too.

Enslaved

Tzayad wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Saxhleel will have less stamina, better sustain and less damage than Orsimer. Damage difference is few % atm, about 5-6% atm. Might be slightly bigger than that once summerset goes live.
I like both orsimer and saxhleel for PvP, what you should pick is personal preference, based on style you like.

I would go for Saxhleel if playing in a 3-4 ppl small scale group, where you can easily transit from sWar to mWar tank/healbot if needed. Saxhleel gives you more options atm. On the other hand, for solo or more ganky/kite sWar, Orsimer is better pick. It has more damage, but that speed is just too good to pass. Also, if you tend to play support sWar at any point, Orsimer can be solid rapidbot in a moderate to large group (6+). It has stamina heals, nice speed, permafrost, nice regen - what more can one ask for?

You just like saying Saxhleel

Its their name. Imagine calling Nord Skyrimian or Khajiit Elsweyrian. Not all Saxhleel were even born in parts of Black Marsh we know as Argonia.

I'm pretty sure that's just what they call themselves, everyone else calls them Argonian (and it's what they are commonly called in ESO). Calling them Saxhleel is correct too, but just unnecessarily confusing. Argonia is called that only because Argonians live there, not the other way around

Not true.

"Elves call it Argonia, after some ancient battlefield where many of their ancestors fell. Thus, the native inhabitants of the swamplands, a collection of beastly tribes of "lizard-men," have become, in common parlance, the Argonians"

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Enslaved wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Saxhleel will have less stamina, better sustain and less damage than Orsimer. Damage difference is few % atm, about 5-6% atm. Might be slightly bigger than that once summerset goes live.
I like both orsimer and saxhleel for PvP, what you should pick is personal preference, based on style you like.

I would go for Saxhleel if playing in a 3-4 ppl small scale group, where you can easily transit from sWar to mWar tank/healbot if needed. Saxhleel gives you more options atm. On the other hand, for solo or more ganky/kite sWar, Orsimer is better pick. It has more damage, but that speed is just too good to pass. Also, if you tend to play support sWar at any point, Orsimer can be solid rapidbot in a moderate to large group (6+). It has stamina heals, nice speed, permafrost, nice regen - what more can one ask for?

You just like saying Saxhleel

Its their name. Imagine calling Nord Skyrimian or Khajiit Elsweyrian. Not all Saxhleel were even born in parts of Black Marsh we know as Argonia.

I think using lore friendly names (even though "orc" and "argonian" are the commonly used terms within the games) is gonna get more traction in the RP section of the forum.

PvP combat and Skills is a forum section about nuts-and-bolts mechanical effectiveness, so maybe this isn't the place to preach about what lizardians ought to be called.

Back on topic, I made my Warden a Redguard since I knew I was gonna be playing heavy armor and I wanted the extra sustain. So a lot of the race choice depends on what kind of stam warden you want to play.