Champion Points

Guymanbro821

I think we can all agree that Champion Points are a massive improvement over the Veteran system. In my opinion, they take so long to earn that they leave the game unbalanced in PvP and therefore broken.

Earning more than 2 a day is a lot to ask of anyone, and even that can be challenging. In PvP it’s clear that even a 160 CP player with maxed out gear/ 3 sets is hardly a match to a 720? CP character who is basically a 20% stronger, defensive, regenerative player.

At this point I feel this leaves the game unbalanced, I end up playing a different game because I can’t expect my team and the other team to be equals.

In my personal opinion I would increase CP rate to 10x its current speed.

I think this game is easily the best high fantasy PvP in existence, but I’m avoiding it.

Thoughts? Do you like playing against lower level players?

starkerealm

Guymanbro821 wrote: »

Earning more than 2 a day is a lot to ask of anyone...

Run your daily random normal dungeons, maybe run the non-DLC pledges.

NordSwordnBoard

No CP campaign?

lardvader

I would play on the non cp campaign until cp 300+

Grinding cp is a bit tedious if you only PvP though

Koolio

I do believe CP gains should be doubled. I personally hate the idea of new players spending a year of semi casual playing just to reach cap.

Leveling should take time but not so much that it drives people away. They do have double exp events all the time which helps.

If a friend of a friend joins the game I’ll normally say something like . “ This game is great after the first year see ya then”

Knowledge

No CP Campaign.

Cladius30

i like the cp system, i find it keeps things interesting seeing slight gains

GreenhaloX

Damn.. 2 a day can still be challenging for those of us with a full-time job and other real life responsibilities. 1-3 a week here; although, l can make it up on days off or during the weekends. If l stay indoor in my underwear and order pizzas and Chinese all day, l can probably make up about 5 to 6.

Hell, l don't know how those peeps that boast they can get 10 and more CPs a day; how they do it. Must be retired or unemployed. Still, they're the ones helping the game to thrive. Although, they probably need a therapist. Ha ha

ShadowMonarch

The CP system could be improved for sure, I think the reason they keep it around is cause they feel like if they stack a huge grind in front of you then you have to play longer.

VilniusNastavnik

I started playing in 1 Tamriel.. only hit 720 1 month ago. Playing cazually. Took a 6 month hiatus for a while there due to ping issues (Oceanic). Came back once it kinda settled..never got back to how it was this time last year though. Would be nice to get it faster, but I'm now 735, and will prob be close to the new cap by the time summerset drops just logging on for random normals, and maybe a pledge or 2 a night.

Cladius30

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

The CP system could be improved for sure, I think the reason they keep it around is cause they feel like if they stack a huge grind in front of you then you have to play longer.

i find it rewarding myself

starkerealm

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Damn.. 2 a day can still be challenging for those of us with a full-time job and other real life responsibilities. 1-3 a week here; although, l can make it up on days off or during the weekends. If l stay indoor in my underwear and order pizzas and Chinese all day, l can probably make up about 5 to 6.

Hell, l don't know how those peeps that boast they can get 10 and more CPs a day; how they do it. Must be retired or unemployed. Still, they're the ones helping the game to thrive. Although, they probably need a therapist. Ha ha

Or they're doing things that actually award XP. I've seen low CP players go up three or four CP in a single random norm dungeon.

It's once you're above the cap, then it becomes a horrific grind.

Taleof2Cities

Be sure to re-read all the posts above mine, @Guymanbro821.

The no-CP campaign is perfect for players under the cap ... and the CP campaigns are perfect for players under the cap that want a challenge in PvP.

There's really no reason to accelerate XP gain in PvP for that reason above.

Wolfenbelle

Guymanbro821 wrote: »

I think we can all agree that Champion Points are a massive improvement over the Veteran system.

Well on this point, you're wrong. I don't agree that the CP system is better, let alone a "massive" improvement. As for it taking so long to earn each point, I sympathize.

Re your comment that "they take so long to earn that they leave the game unbalanced in PvP and therefore broken," the list of complaints that PvP players have is so long that I've become frustrated with PvP players. If "balance" means that everyone must be even and neither better nor worse than any other player, then sorry, but that will never happen.

KingYogi415

I’ve been 1vxing in Shor since 550cp. Just hit 650 in around a month.


It easy to get cp sub 600.

klowdy1

Koolio wrote: »

I do believe CP gains should be doubled. I personally hate the idea of new players spending a year of semi casual playing just to reach cap.

Leveling should take time but not so much that it drives people away. They do have double exp events all the time which helps.

If a friend of a friend joins the game I’ll normally say something like . “ This game is great after the first year see ya then”

I agree. I started this account (bought ESO gold on sale for the DLCs) late January 2017, and you cannot stop playing if you want to reach the cap. I stopped for a few weeks, and they raised the cap. I came back and played regularly, with the limited time I have, but never caught back up before the cap was raised again, and Summerset brings another increase.

The upside to this is after reaching about 50-60% finished, the points start to mean less benefit with how the system is today. Unless you plan to spread your points thin, and put 30 points in everything lol.

FIRE_PANTHER_321

If you think your at a disadvantage in cp campaigns then go-to no cp. Its there for a reason so players that can't compete with 720cp players can go and play without worry about cp killing them and just good players killing them. Or zergs

disintegr8

How can you not catch up?
I have just passed 1000 cp and am still gaining 1 a day. Maybe you need to go to PVE and earn some.

Hamish999

I've been playing for 8 months and I'm at CP593, with 3 CP toons and another at level 31.
I think this is a fine rate of progression.

MerlinPendragon

Leave Champion Points as is.

starkerealm

klowdy1 wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

I do believe CP gains should be doubled. I personally hate the idea of new players spending a year of semi casual playing just to reach cap.

Leveling should take time but not so much that it drives people away. They do have double exp events all the time which helps.

If a friend of a friend joins the game I’ll normally say something like . “ This game is great after the first year see ya then”

I agree. I started this account (bought ESO gold on sale for the DLCs) late January 2017, and you cannot stop playing if you want to reach the cap. I stopped for a few weeks, and they raised the cap. I came back and played regularly, with the limited time I have, but never caught back up before the cap was raised again, and Summerset brings another increase.

The upside to this is after reaching about 50-60% finished, the points start to mean less benefit with how the system is today. Unless you plan to spread your points thin, and put 30 points in everything lol.

In the last four years, I've taken multiple, extended breaks from ESO. I have somewhere north of 830 CP (I forget the exact amount) and I've been above cap for over a year. (Meaning my CP XP values are WAY more painful than yours.

So, no, it's not an endless treadmill.

oSemaj

I've been playing the game since the first day of console launch and my total time of all my extended breaks is about 13 months of no play time. I just got back from a 5 month break and I'm at 1200cp. It's not really a grind for cp. Just play the game and you'll get cp.

AlnilamE

I don't PvP very often due to time constraints (and time seems to fly when you are in Cyrodiil), but I took a non-specced toon to the no-CP campaign the other week and it was a blast.

People really should pay more attention to that campaign.

Guymanbro821

Like I said in my original post, I’m not complaining about the journey of it; just that battlegrounds are unbalanced noticeably some times. They’re the only reason the game has legitimate longevity in my opinion.

starkerealm

Guymanbro821 wrote: »

Like I said in my original post, I’m not complaining about the journey of it; just that battlegrounds are unbalanced noticeably some times. They’re the only reason the game has legitimate longevity in my opinion.

Currently, battlegrounds disable your CP. You don't actually benefit from having them at all. If you're getting rolled by a 720 in there, it's because they've spent more time playing the game and are better at it than you, not because their stats are higher, because in this case, they're not.

PunkAben

Remove the CP system, I feel like Zenimax *** at player use this system !
We got CP system but again again it was't thought out, so after some time we got limit at the cp we can use.
This make the system pretty *** up and i feel really it is ridiculous like Zenimax just *** at us.
We have a CP system with 3600 points !
For now we can use 720 and every year er get 120 new cp we can use.
3600 - 720 = 2880
2880 / 120 = 24
What are you doing in 24 years ? playing ESO ?
I am not sure i am alive in 24 years, so maybe i will never see how it works with full CP set up.
How many will play in 24 years ? do ESO still exists ?

Remove the CP system !

idk

Guymanbro821 wrote: »

I think we can all agree that Champion Points are a massive improvement over the Veteran system. In my opinion, they take so long to earn that they leave the game unbalanced in PvP and therefore broken.

I had to read this first paragraph twice since it seems to be a contradiction.

As for the general idea of what OP presented I would agree the mechanism for newer players and returning players to catch u up is lacking. While OPs example is clouded since a fresh lvl 50 player can easily earn dozens of CP in that first day, there are changes that can easily be made to the current system.

Zos already admitted their error in the original design of the CP system by both capping how much CP could be allocated and with changing the XP per CP from a fixed scale to a sliding scale making it easier for newer players to catch up from the first design.

However, Zos needs to tip that scale a little more. It should still be earned but not so daunting. One way would be during the first 1/3 of the CP cap new players get triple enlightenment and the middle third they get double enlightenment.

D0PAMINE

PunkAben wrote: »

Remove the CP system, I feel like Zenimax *** at player use this system !
We got CP system but again again it was't thought out, so after some time we got limit at the cp we can use.
This make the system pretty *** up and i feel really it is ridiculous like Zenimax just *** at us.
We have a CP system with 3600 points !
For now we can use 720 and every year er get 120 new cp we can use.
3600 - 720 = 2880
2880 / 120 = 24
What are you doing in 24 years ? playing ESO ?
I am not sure i am alive in 24 years, so maybe i will never see how it works with full CP set up.
How many will play in 24 years ? do ESO still exists ?

Remove the CP system !

Better than vet ranks

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

I can’t expect my team and the other team to be equals.

---->equals

---->MMO

Choose one.

Betsararie

The big problem with CP is it weighs too heavily on the defensive side of things. Everyone becomes too easy to kill. That is why I prefer NO CP campaign but nobody plays. That is also why no CP PVP takes more skill than CP. In no CP, it is your skill that keeps you alive. In CP PVP, it's only about your CP and your build. The two are so strong when you combine them together, that they simply eclipse the importance of player skill.