Spell pots are stupid expensive now

Bigevilpeter

The problem is they are crucial for many builds and yes hence why they are expensive, but they really should be more accessible some how maybe ingredient double drop rate. Popping 180g every 45s is too much. A stack is worth around 36k and its makes like 2 trial runs or 4 vma runs without too many wipes mind you.

The average player can't afford that on a regular basis.

Personally I started collecting the mats and crafting my own potions but it takes forever, besides I really feel so bad everytime I use one.

The stamina ones are much cheaper for some reason even though it is also as crucial

Sparr0w

Aint it cornflower that's worth a bomb? Cost me 75k for a stack the other day Didn't search around tho mind you.

You can also skip out on the Major Prophecy if you're using Inner light which saves quite a bit.

EDIT: the average player wont really use these, maybe 2 stacks a month which is manageable. I just craft a couple before heading into a trial, otherwise I use trash pots & drop a skill to get Major Sorcery.

Jameliel

I miss the jubilee boxes and all the ingredients they had. Starting to run low, and dread buying them again....

Datthaw

If you pvp at all, you need to stock up on alliance war pots. They are spell power pots, stam maj brutality, and health immov

Bigevilpeter

Sparr0w wrote: »

Aint it cornflower that's worth a bomb? Cost me 75k for a stack the other day Didn't search around tho mind you.

You can also skip out on the Major Prophecy if you're using Inner light which saves quite a bit.

EDIT: the average player wont really use these, maybe 2 stacks a month which is manageable. I just craft a couple before heading into a trial, otherwise I use trash pots & drop a skill to get Major Sorcery.

Well the increase efficiency way too much, yeah you can do the non dlc vet dungeons without them, but anything higher than that you will be making things way harder for yourself. it basically saves you 3 skill slots which is an insane amount of utility/dps or even self healing.

The average player does dlc dungeons and vma, but they wipe a lot and this will be a nightmare for them. Actually this can lock them out of those more difficult content because they can't maximize their dps because it costs too much

Nyladreas

I feel like pots should be situational entirely. Not something you chug like no tomorrow.

Asardes

The ingredients are pretty common, so it's probably demand, not supply, that drives the high prices. But unless running for highest scores in vMA - if you wipe a lot you obviously don't - you can use your class skill (Power Surge, Blue Betty, Molten Armaments) or Degeneration to get Major Sorcery and you always slot Inner Light for Major Prophecy anyways. Pretty much any class can hit 30K+ without crafted potions, which suffices for trial completion, so in learning runs you can also use that combo; also not bad for the self heals.

Sparr0w

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Aint it cornflower that's worth a bomb? Cost me 75k for a stack the other day Didn't search around tho mind you.

You can also skip out on the Major Prophecy if you're using Inner light which saves quite a bit.

EDIT: the average player wont really use these, maybe 2 stacks a month which is manageable. I just craft a couple before heading into a trial, otherwise I use trash pots & drop a skill to get Major Sorcery.

Well the increase efficiency way too much, yeah you can do the non dlc vet dungeons without them, but anything higher than that you will be making things way harder for yourself. it basically saves you 3 skill slots which is an insane amount of utility/dps or even self healing.

The average player does dlc dungeons and vma, but they wipe a lot and this will be a nightmare for them. Actually this can lock them out of those more difficult content because they can't maximize their dps because it costs too much

My main character is a MagNB so the skill that gives Major Sorcery also does 6k dmg & heals for 2k per enemy hit, pretty standard in my tool kit for AoE damage.

You also really don't need to chug these every 45s in dungeons, trials or vMA, only when you need the dps boost, so for the last boss, or when you need a little magicka.

I've recently ran vMA,vAA & 3 vet dungeons, used under 100 of these (vMA was the biggest use as it really strains sustain).

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

Considering the time it takes to farm the flowers, I'd say they are quite cheap. I often sell raw material rather than pots themselves. Yo ucan find ppl willing to pay 750 a Corn.

Lysette

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

Considering the time it takes to farm the flowers, I'd say they are quite cheap. I often sell raw material rather than pots themselves. Yo ucan find ppl willing to pay 750 a Corn.

Just farm these plants at ingame night time and at an RL time, when most people are in bed - and you will have plenty of those in a short amount of time. At night the high-light of the keen-eyes perk can be seen from far away - it is basically like a candle showing where these ingredients are.

Cornflower is as well in demand, because a lot of alchemy writs require a few cornflowers as raw ingredients - that is basically why it gets expensive, when people are given an incentive to do a lot of writs like this - anniversary event f.e. - same goes for blessed thistle.

Menelaos

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

The average player can't afford that on a regular basis.
(...)
The average player does dlc dungeons and vma

Who is this 'average player' you conjure up to make your point sound valid?

On another note, consumables and maybe furniture is basically what's left of the player driven market. You buy a potion because having it instantly available is of more worth to you (or the average player) than its price or farming the materials yourself. It's your and everybody else's choice and that's what generates supply and demand.

zaria

Nyladreas wrote: »

I feel like pots should be situational entirely. Not something you chug like no tomorrow.

The problem is that its to hard to swap potions in fight.
Then you see some spawn mercant in a fight they probably tried to change potion.

Aerithone

Asardes wrote: »

you always slot Inner Light for Major Prophecy anyways.

You slot it not for Major Prophecy, but for tons of magicka.

And getting gold is this game is pretty easy. Scan guildstores, buy cheaper - sell more expensive. Farm resources, flowers, usefull gear - and you will make 1 mill gol in no time.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

I just use magelight and the Alliancewar potions. There is not much you can spend your ap on anyways

Bigevilpeter

Menelaos wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

The average player can't afford that on a regular basis.
(...)
The average player does dlc dungeons and vma

Who is this 'average player' you conjure up to make your point sound valid?

On another note, consumables and maybe furniture is basically what's left of the player driven market. You buy a potion because having it instantly available is of more worth to you (or the average player) than its price or farming the materials yourself. It's your and everybody else's choice and that's what generates supply and demand.

The average player is basically anyone not part of any major guilds who do pro trial runs with scores, who just wants to complete the game content and get good gear and have fun.

Also its not a choice because people have a specific amount of time to play the game, if they cant spend that time farming ingredients, yet in order to achieve the right builds you need pots. Its not a 2k dps drop, its an entire skill utility that you don't have.

Feanor

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Menelaos wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

The average player can't afford that on a regular basis.
(...)
The average player does dlc dungeons and vma

Who is this 'average player' you conjure up to make your point sound valid?

On another note, consumables and maybe furniture is basically what's left of the player driven market. You buy a potion because having it instantly available is of more worth to you (or the average player) than its price or farming the materials yourself. It's your and everybody else's choice and that's what generates supply and demand.

The average player is basically anyone not part of any major guilds who do pro trial runs with scores, who just wants to complete the game content and get good gear and have fun.

Also its not a choice because people have a specific amount of time to play the game, if they cant spend that time farming ingredients, yet in order to achieve the right builds you need pots. Its not a 2k dps drop, its an entire skill utility that you don't have.

To me that’s a contradiction in itself. If you have limited play time you probably are not in a progression guild or a group that actually can beat Trials on Vet. For the rest of the content and just having fun even the generic dropped pots are fine.

People just think they need it because the “right” build was on some YouTube video.

danno8

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

The problem is they are crucial for many builds and yes hence why they are expensive, but they really should be more accessible some how maybe ingredient double drop rate. Popping 180g every 45s is too much. A stack is worth around 36k and its makes like 2 trial runs or 4 vma runs without too many wipes mind you.

The average player can't afford that on a regular basis.

Personally I started collecting the mats and crafting my own potions but it takes forever, besides I really feel so bad everytime I use one.

The stamina ones are much cheaper for some reason even though it is also as crucial

The bolded part is the answer as to why the price is high.

Menelaos

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Also its not a choice because people have a specific amount of time to play the game, (...)

You always have a choice, especially if you only have a certain amount of time. Not doing something means you set your priorities on other things with all the consequences attached. You can't have all-in-one.

Like I said, you are offered convenience, either by Crowns, gold or AP; or by a guild member doing Alchemy for you and your guildmates. And maybe in turn you can do something for him/them.

But you always have a choice.

Anotherone773

Nyladreas wrote: »

I feel like pots should be situational entirely. Not something you chug like no tomorrow.

I agree, if they were intended to have up time constantly they would be like food buffs. They are a situational item that players overuse for everything to get a little bit of an edge.

I rarely use pots myself. If it takes me 5 seconds longer to kill something oh well. I have guildies that will run through a stack of pots in an evening doing battlegrounds or dungeons. Its silly. Spent 10k worth of pots and then complain because they are broke all the time. But its great profit for me. You know what they say... a fool and their money soon part ways.

If your not doing a trial boss, soloing group content bosses, or running something like VMA, you probably are just wasting your gold. Keep wasting it and making me rich though.

TheCyberDruid

It's the demand really. Spell pots have a crazy high demand. When I list them they are gone in less than half an hour. Buff food (citrus fillet) sells much slower and also the weapon pots can take up to a day to sell. So listing them for high prices (mind you I 'only' charge 170g per pot still) makes sense for people that don't mind standing in front of the alchemy station for hours

Isojukka

Only Use pots when you're fighting bosses? Its not wise always use those in thrash fights.

Bonzodog01

Just out of curiosity, whats the ingredients for the spellpower pots? Sounds like a nice additional bit of gold, I have a LOT of ingredients.

Asardes

I've averaged slightly over 30K DPS doing a world boss w/o adds solo w/o elemental drain applied, on my magicka DK, by only buffing with Molten Armaments twice and using heavy attacks with Engulfing Flames and burning embers on front bar. And the rotation was not a normal one since I was getting smacked in the head constantly so I was forced into block-casting a lot and reapplying Burning Embers before they ran out for heals. The build I'm using is similar to this one, but it's not even fully effective since it's live and the IA staff doesn't count as 2p yet and I wasn't buffing myself with Minor Force. I barely picked up the build a week ago, so I'm sure I can do way better with more practice. Against a static target that doesn't hit you in the face, and with drain applied, this could easily hit for 35K+ while having infinite sustain. I can do about the same on my Sorcerer and Templar with somewhat similar builds, so I don't mind doing the exact same thing in dungeons, including DLC, vMA or even veteran trials if they are loot runs. No reason to burn trough pots unless you are aiming for leaderboard score. Also none of the DLC dungeons are strong DPS checks, and some are even the opposite since if you burn too fast you'll get flooded with adds.

Horker

Nyladreas wrote: »

I feel like pots should be situational entirely. Not something you chug like no tomorrow.

ayyy i only pot on bosses in trials/dungeons

SGT_Wolfe101st

I run end game PVE, I run PVP, I farm mats when they are low. In this game, for the most part, you either get it yourself or pay for the convenience. I never sell my mats, but I never have to buy any either. You can farm enough mats in a morning to last you all week. One Alchemic Reagent will make 4 potions, its really not that bad. If you don't want to farm, then you pay.

sudaki_eso

Potions for staminas might be cheaper but dont forget that we not only need those tri-pots but also the poison for our bow

Make sure to compare prices, some ppl sell quite cheap while others sell pretty high. I needed a few stacks nirnroot last weekend and found stacks ranging from 10k -20k...

I would also suggest to make use of your class skills as other suggested. In my vma runs i only use stam trash pots, i keep the good stuff for trials and harder dungeons.

Odnoc

I have no problem with these potions, I always have several hundred. I'm definitely not the richest player (I have maybe $100k to my name across toons), and I only play about 10 hours a week. Farm or buy the mats, craft 50 of them, bank 200. If you need, sell half to make money to buy more mats. It's really not that difficult.

Of course, I only use them situationally, I don't constantly chug them, I don't care if my dps is slightly lower on trash, so I am sure that helps conserve them.

SquareSausage

The practice of Alchemy should be banned in Tamriel.

Menelaos

SquareSausage wrote: »

The practice of Alchemy should be banned franchised in Tamriel.

Fixed

Ley

Love those alchemy surveys; I have more alchemy ingredients than I'll ever use. This makes the hoarder in me very happy.

Zinaroth

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Menelaos wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

The average player can't afford that on a regular basis.
(...)
The average player does dlc dungeons and vma

Who is this 'average player' you conjure up to make your point sound valid?

On another note, consumables and maybe furniture is basically what's left of the player driven market. You buy a potion because having it instantly available is of more worth to you (or the average player) than its price or farming the materials yourself. It's your and everybody else's choice and that's what generates supply and demand.

The average player is basically anyone not part of any major guilds who do pro trial runs with scores, who just wants to complete the game content and get good gear and have fun.

Also its not a choice because people have a specific amount of time to play the game, if they cant spend that time farming ingredients, yet in order to achieve the right builds you need pots. Its not a 2k dps drop, its an entire skill utility that you don't have.

So for the people who have less time to play each day, the game will just last longer.
I don't see the problem.
You don't NEED to be able to play X amount of hours each day to do Y.
It's pretty logical that a player who can only play two hours each day won't be able to farm materials in the day AND run trials/dungeons in the evening, compared to a player who can play four hours each day and manage to have time for both.
So that just means you can either chose to farm materials one day and do trials/dungeons the other day, or stop doing content that requires you to use potions.

Refer to my signature if you think this a perspective from a person who spends all day in Tamriel.