Spriggans vs. Twice Fanged Serpent

Icy_Waffles

I overheard discussion of twice fanged vs. Spriggans for next patch. The argument was that Spriggans will be better. Is this true? I know its about 900 less pen (easily changed by cp and 100% upkeep.) But is max stam better than 3% crit? Are they close enough that it doesnt matter?

Aliyavana

tfs I believe is better overall for long fights?

Narvuntien

In Short: Spriggans for PVP, TFS for PVE

PVE is based around Crit and DPS.
PVP is based around Stam and Burst.

laksikus

As it looks now relequen set will be rly strong next patch. And the problem with relequen + TFS is that you need to double bar both if you want a not too hard rotation.

So its either not using a msa bow to double slot both sets or use another set that can be front barred.
In that case spriggan will be quite good for frontbar.

Harrdarrzarr

For PVE endgame, people do the calculation over how much penetration they need to do themselves, and stamina for the coming patch will be going to the Lover Mundus. They might come to the conclusion that TFS gives more then they need. Also keep in mind that a lot of them will be using Acuity as the other set, so crit bonusses are less beneficial. Maybe the added stamina bonusses fro Spriggan will be more beneficial with sustain in mind, because people will do more light attacks in their rotation.

Icy_Waffles

The other sets im running are vo and veli. No vma bow yet.

Asardes

TFS gives roughly the same penetration (4300) as Lover mundus with 7 divines (4200) when fully procced. In PvE Hunding/Briarheart/Mechanical Acuity with Lover is pretty much the same as TFS with Warrior. Spriggan is only 3400 but you don't need to proc it. That 900 difference translates into about ~1.8% difference in DPS based solely on penetration since NPC resistance baseline is 50K. Also Spriggan has no critical bonuses, and critical scales highest of all stats with various buffs (Major Force, Minor Force, Templar & NB class passives). So I would say TFS is better for long fights, when you have buffs, on classes that benefit from high weapon critical, while Spriggan is better in short PvE fights where enemies die in 1-2 hits and PvP, where weapon critical is even less important due to impenetrable armor. I'm thinking or running Spriggan on front bar in PvP on Khajiit stamina NB since he has plenty of crit already.

bloodthirstyvampire

Spriggans was godly before the nerf even now its a well balanced set

exiars10

Everybody and their mother is farming in Bangkorai* and getting purple Spriggan's jewelry is bloody joke i.e. I am flooded with Vampire's and lesser with Legion's purple jewelry.

There is no way drop rates are not rigged.

And getting stupid head armor from Bangkorai zone bosses over and over again... I am sick of it.

*If you are magicka the same is happening in Rivenspire.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Asardes wrote: »

TFS gives roughly the same penetration (4300) as Lover mundus with 7 divines (4200) when fully procced. In PvE Hunding/Briarheart/Mechanical Acuity with Lover is pretty much the same as TFS with Warrior. Spriggan is only 3400 but you don't need to proc it. That 900 difference translates into about ~1.8% difference in DPS based solely on penetration since NPC resistance baseline is 50K. Also Spriggan has no critical bonuses, and critical scales highest of all stats with various buffs (Major Force, Minor Force, Templar & NB class passives). So I would say TFS is better for long fights, when you have buffs, on classes that benefit from high weapon critical, while Spriggan is better in short PvE fights where enemies die in 1-2 hits and PvP, where weapon critical is even less important due to impenetrable armor. I'm thinking or running Spriggan on front bar in PvP on Khajiit stamina NB since he has plenty of crit already.

50k resistance? Its not that much, it's about 18k I think

Asardes

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

TFS gives roughly the same penetration (4300) as Lover mundus with 7 divines (4200) when fully procced. In PvE Hunding/Briarheart/Mechanical Acuity with Lover is pretty much the same as TFS with Warrior. Spriggan is only 3400 but you don't need to proc it. That 900 difference translates into about ~1.8% difference in DPS based solely on penetration since NPC resistance baseline is 50K. Also Spriggan has no critical bonuses, and critical scales highest of all stats with various buffs (Major Force, Minor Force, Templar & NB class passives). So I would say TFS is better for long fights, when you have buffs, on classes that benefit from high weapon critical, while Spriggan is better in short PvE fights where enemies die in 1-2 hits and PvP, where weapon critical is even less important due to impenetrable armor. I'm thinking or running Spriggan on front bar in PvP on Khajiit stamina NB since he has plenty of crit already.

50k resistance? Its not that much, it's about 18k I think

The baseline is 50K, meaning that the mob resistance is divided by that value to obtain % mitigation. Actually mobs in different content have various resistances: generally overland mobs have 9.1K resistance, corresponding to 18.2% mitigation before penetration, while instanced content (trial, dungeon) mobs have 18.2K resistance, corresponding to 36.4% mitigation before penetration is considered.

Considering 26 CP in piercing for 2388 penetration, 100 by default, Major Fracture for 5280 and Minor Fracture for 1320 you have a total penetration of 9088 which is roughly half the resistance of trial mobs. This means they still have 18.2% mitigation, and thus you are doing 81.8% of your tool tip damage against them.
1) With TFS you add 4300 penetration, which translates to a total value of 13388. Mobs are left with 4812 resistance, for ~9.6% mitigation, so you are doing 90.4% of your tool tip damage. Your damage will be will be increased by 1 - 90.4/81.8 = 10.5%.
2) With Lover mundus and another set, you add 4196 penetration, which translates to a total value of 13284. Mobs are left with 4916 resistance, for ~9.8% mitigation, so you are doing 90.2% of your tool tip damage. Your damage will be will be increased by 1 - 90.2/81.8 = 10.2%.
3) With Spriggan you will add 3450 penetration, for a total of 12538. Mobs are left with 5662 resistance, for 11.3% mitigation, so you are doing 88.7% of your tool tip damage. Your damage will be increased by 1 - 88.7/81.8 = 8.4%.

So considering strictly penetration, with a reasonable number of CP invested in penetration, TFS is almost equal to any similar 2-3-4p bonuses set with lover mundus, by ~0.3%, while Spriggan is weaker only by about 1.8-2.1% compared to either. Note that in trials you have other debuffs, for example Alkosh for 3010 and Crusher enchant from infused for 2100 (or 2700 with Torug's) so you will need slightly less penetration in a well coordinated trial group.

DamenAJ

I use spriggan's because I solo A LOT, plus I don't do trials... But if I was going to focus on trials/dungeons more, I'd run TFS.

Juju_beans

I wear Hundings/Spriggans but mostly solo and the sets work for me quite well.

Icy_Waffles

DamenAJ wrote: »

I use spriggan's because I solo A LOT, plus I don't do trials... But if I was going to focus on trials/dungeons more, I'd run TFS.

Sounds like a plan. Was running hundings and spriggans. Got all gold vo. Got tf. Was curious. I just need vma bow now. Lol