[Video] Two Stamblades Destroy a 10-Man Group - PvP Tips and Tricks Available!

Grimhallow

https://youtu.be/feemB4jAx_E

I hope you enjoy the fun! Please let me know if you have any questions regarding my playstyle or strategies. I would love to help other stamblades improve in PvP!

Waffennacht

Really goes to show you how good evasion mechanics are at mitigation.

You have vigor as your only heal - that I saw when I made the comment the first time lol

I don't think even block could compare to how well you and your build mitigated damage. ("Mitigate" or straight up evade lol)

Reverse Slice, Crit Charge, Surprise attack and Poison injection are your only attacks - that's kinda inspirational to me.

Quite frankly I find this very educational, ty!

Edit: whoops missed the rally lol

Grimhallow

@Waffennacht

Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed!

For healing I use vigor and rally (and I use vigor more like a buff than a hot), and cloak guarantees you can get a big rally burst heal.

(I think their laughably low damage is the only reason I survived that snipe barrage though).

Kel

Mmmmm....exploited potatoes...yummy...

Minno

Grimick wrote: »

@Waffennacht

Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed!

For healing I use vigor and rally (and I use vigor more like a buff than a hot), and cloak guarantees you can get a big rally burst heal.

(I think their laughably low damage is the only reason I survived that snipe barrage though).

Steps to becoming a PvP god:
1) roll stamina
2) roll nightblade
3) see step number 2.

Jokes aside, loved the video! Interesting to see vigor as a buff instead of a hot. I'll keep that in mind as I play my stamplar build I've recently switched to.

Grimhallow

For those wondering about builds, I've been shuffling through a lot of builds in preparation for the next patch. In this video I am using impreg, agility, and either selene or blood spawn. The damage and mitigation is great, but I've kept my recovery pretty low. I'm playing around with different options glyph wise. In this video my stam recovery is around 1600 unbuffed, and my mag recovery is at 900 (but continuous attack, 2h passives, and werewolf backbar kick my stam recovery up a bit).

I am always trying to run as little recovery as I can manage without losing the ability to 1vX, but a lot of people are not comfortable with the low recovery I run. Though you can see it's still totally possible to 2vX! I'll be playing around with my glyphs more in the coming days and weeks, and I'll release a full build after the next patch drops and I get to try the 5-5-2 pattern open world.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Hmm! Seems like Grimick and I think alike in terms of our build styles at the moment. Only I play MagNB, to give some minor perspective, the MagNB build I am running is keen to having low recovery as well. BUT can be well managed like you said. The ability to 1VX on it is still really good!

build I am running;
2pc Chudan
5pc Impreg
4pc Lich -> switch to War Maiden with Summerset

I can really appreciate this stam NB build. I am happy to see stamNB can also be this tanky and this destructive. Very nice OP!

I gotta say, with Impreg and the armor stats / evasion medium provides, if you can find a pocket healer go for it. It makes you suppper tanky.

SpiderCultist

Can't wait to see NBs nerfed (Hello Incapaciting Strike) so that Cyrodiil is not overpopulated by them.

It's so disgusting to see everyone plays stamNBs now I'm not playing mine anymore. They are a plague that needs to be eradicated.

Minno

Grimick wrote: »

For those wondering about builds, I've been shuffling through a lot of builds in preparation for the next patch. In this video I am using impreg, agility, and either selene or blood spawn. The damage and mitigation is great, but I've kept my recovery pretty low. I'm playing around with different options glyph wise. In this video my stam recovery is around 1600 unbuffed, and my mag recovery is at 900 (but continuous attack, 2h passives, and werewolf backbar kick my stam recovery up a bit).

I am always trying to run as little recovery as I can manage without losing the ability to 1vX, but a lot of people are not comfortable with the low recovery I run. Though you can see it's still totally possible to 2vX! I'll be playing around with my glyphs more in the coming days and weeks, and I'll release a full build after the next patch drops and I get to try the 5-5-2 pattern open world.

What food?

Killset

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Can't wait to see NBs nerfed (Hello Incapaciting Strike) so that Cyrodiil is not overpopulated by them.

It's so disgusting to see everyone plays stamNBs now I'm not playing mine anymore. They are a plague that needs to be eradicated.

Translation - I’m a potato that needs everything nerfed down to my level. The players in that video were BAD man. Finding 10 low level newbs in the same place at the same time like that on Xbox NA is like the same chances of getting hit by a meteor or getting bit by a shark in Ohio.

P.S. good vid

Feanor

Technically it’s a 10 man group, but they actually play 10 2v1 situations. There was no group coordination at all. You’re free to kite and nobody is pressuring you when you’re marked.

Tells more about your opponents than anything else, but breaking fights up like this is a skill. Oh and of course cloak never works.

caeliusstarbreaker

What’s an expoit?

SpiderCultist

Killset wrote: »

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Can't wait to see NBs nerfed (Hello Incapaciting Strike) so that Cyrodiil is not overpopulated by them.

It's so disgusting to see everyone plays stamNBs now I'm not playing mine anymore. They are a plague that needs to be eradicated.

Translation - I’m a potato that needs everything nerfed down to my level. The players in that video were BAD man. Finding 10 low level newbs in the same place at the same time like that on Xbox NA is like the same chances of getting hit by a meteor or getting bit by a shark in Ohio.

P.S. good vid

Translation - I'm a new NB who enjoys being OP while it lasts. What's the fun at playing a class that is clearly overperforming? Do you find it challenging? I just pointed out the obvious and more than that, I said I played one until we were legion. Now I stick to my mNB.

P.S. Nevertheless, I liked his video on youtube, that does not diminish what I wrote: ZoS should take actions or 80% of the pvp population will be nightblades.

Grimhallow

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Can't wait to see NBs nerfed (Hello Incapaciting Strike) so that Cyrodiil is not overpopulated by them.

It's so disgusting to see everyone plays stamNBs now I'm not playing mine anymore. They are a plague that needs to be eradicated.

Don't be silly. They had nightblades in their group. It didn't save them.

Player Skill (including builds, strategy, and practice) will always be a determining outcome in a fight.

Many of the fights were me and my magplar buddy fighting 4-6 man groups, and we both made it through and found ways to complement and support each other. I fear people off of him and do burst damage- he purges marks off of me and brings other nightblades out of stealth. In many of the scenarios (in particular the 2vX), dawnbreaker would have been much more effective, but since we only had single target abilities slotted we had to play much more conservatively.

Nightblade is fun, interesting, and has a very high skill cap. I do not think it needs to be nerfed- I think other classes have to be buffed so that they too are fun and interesting (stam whip please!).

Grimhallow

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

What’s an expoit?

@caeliusstarbreaker

Hey Rhage, not just anybody can be as dyslexic as me.

#latenightediting

SpiderCultist

Grimick wrote: »

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Can't wait to see NBs nerfed (Hello Incapaciting Strike) so that Cyrodiil is not overpopulated by them.

It's so disgusting to see everyone plays stamNBs now I'm not playing mine anymore. They are a plague that needs to be eradicated.

Don't be silly. They had nightblades in their group. It didn't save them.

Player Skill (including builds, strategy, and practice) will always be a determining outcome in a fight.

Many of the fights were me and my magplar buddy fighting 4-6 man groups, and we both made it through and found ways to complement and support each other. I fear people off of him and do burst damage- he purges marks off of me and brings other nightblades out of stealth. In many of the scenarios (in particular the 2vX), dawnbreaker would have been much more effective, but since we only had single target abilities slotted we had to play much more conservatively.

Nightblade is fun, interesting, and has a very high skill cap. I do not think it needs to be nerfed- I think other classes have to be buffed so that they too are fun and interesting (stam whip please!).

I remember the days when DKs were broken, Sorcerers also had their time and even Templars had theirs. Nobody played NBs, and mNBs were a very rare sight. Now it is the time for stamNBs and all the "potatoes" are playing them. Enjoy it because it won't last forever, then we'll see how skill matters and how many people will be still playing them. Anyway I liked your video, at least editing it takes some effort.

Grimhallow

SpiderCultist wrote: »

I remember the days when DKs were broken, Sorcerers also had their time and even Templars had theirs. Nobody played NBs, and mNBs were a very rare sight. Now it is the time for stamNBs and all the "potatoes" are playing them. Enjoy it because it won't last forever, then we'll see how skill matters and how many people will be still playing them. Anyway I liked your video, at least editing it takes some effort.

I can agree with you there: nightblades (stam in particular) are in a very good place. It's only when I hear "nerf nightblades" I roll my eyes and imagine a world where nightblade is a bland and uninteresting class (the DK treatment). I would much rather see buffs to other classes than nerfs to nightblades. Every class should be cool and interesting.

I hope that makes sense.

Anyways thanks! I'm really glad you enjoyed the video!

Brutusmax1mus

Nice game play. Love potatoes

caeliusstarbreaker

I’ve been screwing around on my stamblade.. it’s stupid strong.

Grimhallow

@caeliusstarbreaker

I saw your "All the King's Horses" video! Bleed builds are a ton of pressure- and fun too

Thunderknuckles

But...it's....it's not META! Heresy!

StackonClown

Not to be salty but this only really works with 'bads' doesnt it?

Otherwise:

1/ find 5-10 well-known top pro players and try to 1vX against them
2/ guarantee Fail and go back to 1vPotato

Thunderknuckles

StackonClown wrote: »

Not to be salty but this only really works with 'bads' doesnt it?

Otherwise:

1/ find 5-10 well-known top pro players and try to 1vX against them
2/ guarantee Fail and go back to 1vPotato

Honestly, personally speaking (and not about the OP's video at all) I have noticed that some very popular folks on Youtube who do PvP vids are usually smoking players at least 300 CP less than them. LOL If you're not paying attention to their levels it's easy to think, "Whoa, breh! He's uber l33t!". Then you look closely and see that the majority of them are CP350 and under. ha ha

SirCritical

Good, good, teach those vegetables a lesson

Grimhallow

StackonClown wrote: »

Not to be salty but this only really works with 'bads' doesnt it?

Otherwise:

1/ find 5-10 well-known top pro players and try to 1vX against them
2/ guarantee Fail and go back to 1vPotato

@StackonClown @Thunderknuckles

No salt taken!

The answer is yes. You can only really 1vX players who are worse than you. In theory, if you are fighting somebody equally talented at the same CP with comparably effective setups- the fight should be a draw and go on indefinitely until somebody gets bored, runs out of pots, gets run over by a zerg, or some other outside influence disrupts the fight. So any additional numbers would sway the fight against you. I might be able to kite players of equal or better skill into 1v1s, but not fight them outright.

But 1vXs are still fun to watch (for me, at least); and the types of fights vary dramatically. I record very few fights where everyone is low level- because it's not impressive or exciting. Many of the players in these videos were higher than me in both CP and Alliance Rank (CP830, AR25-30). As you can see from the video, those titles are not determinate of skill, but it's not like these guys bought the game yesterday either.

The impressive part of any fight is outplaying an enemy, and it's why I like to feature fights of different sizes. I felt similarly accomplished (if maybe a little less dramatic) about winning the 1v2 I had near the end of the video as I did about the 2vX at the beginning of the video, because they were both fights I had to think about and navigate carefully.

tl;dr: People who I 1vX are theoretically always worse than me, but they are not all equally bad, and some are considered 'good' by many other players, misled as they may be.

yodased

No auto crit rally and vigor ticks will make stamblade much harder to play.

The issue i have always had with stamblade from when they were brought into the level they are, is there isnt really a drawback or weaknesses to a well built and played stamblade.

Other than getting 10v1 and even then you have the disengage option.

They have the full kit needed unlike every other class which has glaring holes in their "intended" roles.

If they brought all classes up to be as solid in their respective role as a stamblade, we would have a much better game.

CO_Gibbs

Fun vid, Impreg Agility and Selenes? This makes me want to dust off my old Stamblade and get out of BGs with my Warden for the first time in ages.

What UI is that, which shows your remaining buff time above the bar? I've been using prominent buff for on LUI or Srendaar and I like your setup more.

Thanks!

Grimhallow

yodased wrote: »

If they brought all classes up to be as solid in their respective role as a stamblade, we would have a much better game.

@yodased
Heck yeah.

CO_Gibbs wrote: »

What UI is that, which shows your remaining buff time above the bar?

Thanks!

@CO_Gibbs
It's called "Action Duration Reminder", and I also use "Buff Tracker" for things like Blood Spawn and Lich. The whole thing is layed on top of LUI, which most of the settings turned off (I just really like the resource bars and general flexibility of LUI).

yodased

Oh i forgot, well played stamblade. You are showing people how this class is intended to play, against potaoes or not this is a valid resource if you want to play a stealth burst toon.

So regardless of enemy skill, you did well and it was entertaining to watch, and isnt that what youtube is for?

CO_Gibbs

@Grimick
Thanks for the info, I'll mess around with my UI tonight.

Keep up the potato farming, it keeps the soil healthy.

Strider__Roshin

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Can't wait to see NBs nerfed (Hello Incapaciting Strike) so that Cyrodiil is not overpopulated by them.

It's so disgusting to see everyone plays stamNBs now I'm not playing mine anymore. They are a plague that needs to be eradicated.

So most of these people died from poison inject + crit rush + Selenes' + reverse slice and you think it's because Nightblades are OP? No, not even close. Stamblades are just fine and need no adjustments. You'll be happy to know that they're getting hit hard next update:

No more crit heals from Shadowy disguise, and anyone wearing Sloads'will prevent the Nightblade from cloaking.