Do you think Magika will greatly outperform Stamina in PvE Summerset?

Bigevilpeter

Before Summerset Magika dps were almost even with stamina based on dps, maybe even still a bit higher.

In Summerset Stamina get a big nerf and Magika get a great buff. Stamina classes lose around 6k penetration due to the loss of Nightmother's Gaze and Sunderflame, while Magika will finally be able to use 2 full sets and a monster set due to the 2h adjustments.

So what do you guys think, will this patch be all Magdk, Magsorc and Magblades in trials?

Dapper Dinosaur

As someone that has never used stamina characters, I'm looking forward to finally being allowed to combine sets that otherwise could not go together without an enormous detriment. With the changes, I should be able to get past 25k dps when my mag dk's flame blossom should be proccing more often since I won't have to keep track of bar swapping to try and proc it.

red_emu

Stamina will still be very strong next patch. Even if magica will be able to slightly outperform stamina builds, I think it is about time! Being forced to wield two swords on a purely mage build was immersion breaking to me.

In PvP stamina will still vastly outperform any magica build.

Asmael

For short:

• IF you have stamina builds (I would bet on them still being used outside AS, not commenting on Cloudrest yet), you will probably have a dedicated debuffer being stamina DK (w/ Sunderflame) or stamplar for the Minor breach / fracture debuff. All other stamina builds will be either stamblades or stam sorcs (depending on cleave vs single target requirements)
• Magicka builds will stay the same as they currently are. There were no change to make mDKs, magplars or mag wardens better than magblades and magsorcs. Magplars are worst ranged DDs than NBs / Sorcs, magicka DKs are melee builds with no deadly cloak and almost full melee toolkit in trials that are increasingly favoring range and / or mobility, on top of not dealing any more DPS than them.

Samarcand32

Well, stamina DPS outperform magika setup in this patch. All melee spot are stamina. Range DPS are all magika because there is no stamina setup for range DPS (Well Bow/Bow setup works, but not as good as magika)

Summerset is gonna make melee magika DPS possible (come back of the magDK I would say, I don't know for templar).
To me, the main problem will be the difference of DPS between melees and ranges DPS. Melee has to outperform range dps, else there is no reason taking them in trials. And that may be the problem with summerset. But the magika buff was necessary for melee magika.
Debuff set tend to make team go for all stam or all magika dps. If they had kept them and put some for magika setup, we would have end up with a full magika dps anyway.

dsalter

as a whole? no.
vs a magblade? yes.
magblades as a whole? very big yes.

they were powerful as is in PvE now its just borderline stupid

Aliyavana

red_emu wrote: »

Stamina will still be very strong next patch. Even if magica will be able to slightly outperform stamina builds, I think it is about time! Being forced to wield two swords on a purely mage build was immersion breaking to me.

In PvP stamina will still vastly outperform any magica build.

Using swords for magika purposes isn't immersion breaking as spellswords are a staple of the elder scrolls series

ayu_fever

summerset is home of the snooty high elves, so yeah theres gonna be a focus on magicka oriented builds for a while to help promote a “theme” for the content. the new crown crates are also probably going to be focused on snooty high elf stuff and thangs (hopefully some items races and cultures from the EBONHEART PACT as well!)

WuffyCerulei

It's gonna be having the right sets this patch. A friend who mains a stam DPS tested things on the PTS, and he found that the renewed stam set in Cloudrest is really stronk.

themaddaedra

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Before Summerset Magika dps were almost even with stamina based on dps, maybe even still a bit higher.

In Summerset Stamina get a big nerf and Magika get a great buff. Stamina classes lose around 6k penetration due to the loss of Nightmother's Gaze and Sunderflame, while Magika will finally be able to use 2 full sets and a monster set due to the 2h adjustments.

So what do you guys think, will this patch be all Magdk, Magsorc and Magblades in trials?

Is this word magika triggering only me? We are magicka builds

Chufu

Stamina is still very good on PTS, Magicka too. Maybe even better if you are a good LA-Weaver.

I am not a great weaver, but 35k on both (Solo, Mag + Eledrain) at the puppet is possible. 43k with StamDK and Healer at the puppet, and 41k with MagDK and Healer.

So the better you are in LA-weaving, the higher numbers you could get. Although as a stamina there is not much room for LA-Weaving.

But I liked to play both, they felt special in both ways. But as I am an Orc I think I should stay as a stamina one.

But yeah try it out on PTS, that's what it's for!

Bigevilpeter

Samarcand32 wrote: »

Well, stamina DPS outperform magika setup in this patch. All melee spot are stamina. Range DPS are all magika because there is no stamina setup for range DPS (Well Bow/Bow setup works, but not as good as magika)

Summerset is gonna make melee magika DPS possible (come back of the magDK I would say, I don't know for templar).
To me, the main problem will be the difference of DPS between melees and ranges DPS. Melee has to outperform range dps, else there is no reason taking them in trials. And that may be the problem with summerset. But the magika buff was necessary for melee magika.
Debuff set tend to make team go for all stam or all magika dps. If they had kept them and put some for magika setup, we would have end up with a full magika dps anyway.

Well yes this is my point, stamina melee need to do a bit higher dps so it would be worth standing in all the ***, magika now can be ranged and have a huge added set bonus to their kits while stam char not only stay the same but lost their debuffing sets.

I'm all for making 2h give 2 set pieces but stamina need to be buffed to be on par with magika.

Strider__Roshin

Lol oh yeah. Stam is dead in competitive PvE for this patch. And the new trial isn't just anti-stam, but also pro magblade. Maybe next update stamina will be viable again.

Samarcand32

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Well yes this is my point, stamina melee need to do a bit higher dps so it would be worth standing in all the ***, magika now can be ranged and have a huge added set bonus to their kits while stam char not only stay the same but lost their debuffing sets.

I'm all for making 2h give 2 set pieces but stamina need to be buffed to be on par with magika.

Not all magicka setup can be range, don't misunderstand that melee=stam and range=magicka.
Everyone should be able to play in every role, that's the main focus for summerset (even dk heal ^^), but they forgot range stamina DPS, what's why everyone think that magicka is only viable as DD in trials.
As of now, melee can be both magicka and stamina, in term of DPS. Well of course there is still a class that will outperform, but difference is smaller with Summerset.
And there is also the problem that in new trials, melee tends to die to much because of mechanics, so why bother with a dps who can only do a part of the content when a NB or Sorc magicka is welcome everywhere, with same DPS.

Morgul667

Obviously yes

I mean dps may be in line but stam is losing 2 key sets

Then why play a more agressive playstyle when you can same or higher number standing in the back

Heka Cain

Yes! I also believe stamina will out-perform magika too in pve Summerset!