How to increase bleed damage? (PVP)

Savos_Saren

I was thinking of pushing the cheese to the max with Summerset. Since bleed completely ignores all physical resistances and Sload is guaranteed damage- I want to boost those numbers up.

I'm guessing Thaumaturge will increase the damage for both bleed-over-time effects and Oblivion Damage. What else can I do to make the damage worse? Since Bleeds are technically physical damage- does Strength of the Automaton increase the bleed damage? Just imagine how much fun it will be when people try to heal through it with Major Defile on them, too! I'm looking for a suggestion for the ultimate, unmitigated damage build:

-2 Master's DW
-5 Sload
-5 Automaton? 5 Blood Drinker?

Any suggestions?

DeadlyRecluse

Savos_Saren wrote: »

I'm guessing Thaumaturge will increase the damage for both bleed-over-time effects and Oblivion Damage.

I've heard, but have not tested, that Thauma changes the tooltip on Sload's DOT, but not the actual damage.

casparian

The tooltip on various oblivion damage sources goes up when you increase the relevant CC, but the damage does not actually go up. It's not supposed to; the whole point of oblivion damage is that what you see in the tooltip is what you get, no buffs or mitigation applies.

Automaton does increase bleed damage.

Wrubius_Coronaria

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Twin+Sisters+Set

Savos_Saren

If you think about it- a Stamblade has the best of all worlds.

#1. Low cost Ultimate for Major Defile.
#2. You can DW axes on your front bar to apply bleed damage from Twin Slashes. (Bleed x2 from axes and Twin Slashes)
#3. You can 2H a battle axe on your back bar for another bleed from Cleave. (Bleed x2 from heavy weapon and Cleave)

So, if you use Incapacitating Strike from stealth and then apply Twin Slashes and Cleave- you can let the irresistable damage from Sload and unmitigated damage from bleed do all the work for you. Heck- we don't even need to complain about magicka toons getting all that extra spell penetration for their passives! We don't even need physical penetration when we have access to bleeds and oblivion damage. We get 12% extra weapon damage from medium armor and 100% physical penetration! So f-in sweet!

Master's DW on front bar
Master's 2H on back bar
Sload for irresistible damage
Blood Drinker for 20% extra bleed damage

Keep stealthing as you opponent bleeds to death. If they heal/purge just pop back up and reapply the bleeds and oblivion damage. Let them run out of resources. Heck, you can spam your execute as they get close to death.

I'm so glad ZOS has given us this balance!

TankHealz2015

Blood-drinker Set (Bloodroot Forge set) +20% bleed damage

Automaton Set (Darkshade Caverns) +400 physical abilities damage

Velidreth monster helm (Cradle of Shadows) drop disease spores


WereWolf + dual wield front bar and 2handed on back bar ?

Maximum CP points into Thaumaturge

Thoughts?

Minno

Savos_Saren wrote: »

If you think about it- a Stamblade has the best of all worlds.

#1. Low cost Ultimate for Major Defile.
#2. You can DW axes on your front bar to apply bleed damage from Twin Slashes. (Bleed x2 from axes and Twin Slashes)
#3. You can 2H a battle axe on your back bar for another bleed from Cleave. (Bleed x2 from heavy weapon and Cleave)

So, if you use Incapacitating Strike from stealth and then apply Twin Slashes and Cleave- you can let the irresistable damage from Sload and unmitigated damage from bleed do all the work for you. Heck- we don't even need to complain about magicka toons getting all that extra spell penetration for their passives! We don't even need physical penetration when we have access to bleeds and oblivion damage. We get 12% extra weapon damage from medium armor and 100% physical penetration! So f-in sweet!

Master's DW on front bar
Master's 2H on back bar
Sload for irresistible damage
Blood Drinker for 20% extra bleed damage

Keep stealthing as you opponent bleeds to death. If they heal/purge just pop back up and reapply the bleeds and oblivion damage. Let them run out of resources. Heck, you can spam your execute as they get close to death.

I'm so glad ZOS has given us this balance!

All that's left, is the game telling you when dinner is ready and to tell you a goodnight story as it tucks you into bed lol.

Savos_Saren

@Minno

Finally, someone picked up on the satire in my writing.

Waffennacht

Savos_Saren wrote: »

@Minno

Finally, someone picked up on the satire in my writing.

But... It's true.... And I will

Savos_Saren

Yep. It's going to be extremely effective. Sadly, ZOS hasn't listened to the feedback concerning Major Defile combined with bleeds and oblivion damage... while effectively keeping the old "empower" (20% extra damage) from Incapacitating Strike.

In that regard, a medium armor NB will be able to get the great damage passives and surpass any spell penetration that light armor wearers get from their passives.

Bleeds and oblivion damage should not exist in the game. To have the ability to completely negate all physical resistances is imbalanced. Unless, of course, magicka players had a magicka-based version that would ignore all spell resistances. It would still be cheese... but at least it would be balanced cheese.

Minno

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Yep. It's going to be extremely effective. Sadly, ZOS hasn't listened to the feedback concerning Major Defile combined with bleeds and oblivion damage... while effectively keeping the old "empower" (20% extra damage) from Incapacitating Strike.

In that regard, a medium armor NB will be able to get the great damage passives and surpass any spell penetration that light armor wearers get from their passives.

Bleeds and oblivion damage should not exist in the game. To have the ability to completely negate all physical resistances is imbalanced. Unless, of course, magicka players had a magicka-based version that would ignore all spell resistances. It would still be cheese... but at least it would be balanced cheese.

If only we had something called miss chance to force all these unavoidable mechanics to have a counter. I bet that ability would have helped us! They could even give it to Stam builds on dual weld!

Oh wait....

Savos_Saren

@Minno @Waffennacht

Hmmmmm... What else can we do to increase bleed damage AND oblivion damage?

The Slimecraw set will give a StamBlade extra crit and 8% extra damage (it would free up from having to slot Relentless Focus). I believe Slimecraw will increase both bleed and oblivion damage.


So:

2pc Slimecraw
5pc Sload
5pc Blooddrinker/Automaton/Shacklebreaker?

What if we broke up that last five piece set into Master's DW and a 3pc jewelry set? Agility? Blessing of the Potentates?

Checkmath

Master dual wield does much more than blooddrinker, so stay with that before you use blooddrinker.

hesobad

Checkmath wrote: »

Master dual wield does much more than blooddrinker, so stay with that before you use blooddrinker.

Class reps are supporting bleed and unmitigatable damage??? Oh my god... this game is screwed

Savos_Saren

Well, in the age of Necromancers- you certainly pulled this one from the grave. The last post was from almost a year ago.

Davadin

hesobad wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

Master dual wield does much more than blooddrinker, so stay with that before you use blooddrinker.

Class reps are supporting bleed and unmitigatable damage??? Oh my god... this game is screwed

nothing wrong with bleed and unmitigatable damage today.

If anything, rend getting nerfed..... so.... wow necro-batman....

Savos_Saren

@Davadin

I actually would like to see light/medium armor passives that help reduce the damage taken from bleeds, though. Bleeds are meant to be a counter against heavy armor, tanky mother ***. But, unfortunately, they're also strong against the other two armor builds.

...or ZOS could introduce a magicka-based bleed to even the playing field for stam and mag. Either way works for me.