How does difficulty scale in Dungeons?

LittlePinkDot

So ive been doing normal dungeons and wondering what makes some more difficult than others. I cant say ive found normal to be that difficult.... Except white gold tower... Wtf is up with the healing adjucater whatever its called. After failing that I ended up in scalecaller peak as the next random dungeon... It was significantly easier than white gold tower, completed it quickly and easily. I figured it would be harder because its newer, but I guess not.

drjokepu

DLC dungeons are harder than non-DLC dungeons.

Olen_Mikko

Normal = soloable, like beating a toddler.
Veteran = Much more harder, need to know mechanics, or you're gonna have a hard time

Normal DLC = some dungeons can be hard af for noob group
Veteran DLC = Hard. Cringeworthy. Some aren't even puggable.

Normal mode is usually way too easy and takes like 5-10 minutes to complete.
Veteran mode can be very very very tough for mediocre player or group.

I kinda would like to see some difficulty option between those two

KingYogi415

For DLC’s we have easy-peasy 1-button mode, and insanely-mindnunbing-insane mode.

ayu_fever

normal mode dlc dungeons should be brought down to be in line with the non dlc dungeons!!!
if we want a challenge, we will pick veteran mode.
normal should not be so hard!!!

zaria

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

So ive been doing normal dungeons and wondering what makes some more difficult than others. I cant say ive found normal to be that difficult.... Except white gold tower... Wtf is up with the healing adjucater whatever its called. After failing that I ended up in scalecaller peak as the next random dungeon... It was significantly easier than white gold tower, completed it quickly and easily. I figured it would be harder because its newer, but I guess not.

Scalecaller peak normal is harder than White gold tower normal, might even significantly so.
Yes it might be that people don't know the mechanics.
However the skill of the group is far more important if you are in an group with good players all the normal dungeons is trivial,
With an bad group it might fold.

I say the normal dlc is in line with the easier vet dungeons.

LittlePinkDot

zaria wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

So ive been doing normal dungeons and wondering what makes some more difficult than others. I cant say ive found normal to be that difficult.... Except white gold tower... Wtf is up with the healing adjucater whatever its called. After failing that I ended up in scalecaller peak as the next random dungeon... It was significantly easier than white gold tower, completed it quickly and easily. I figured it would be harder because its newer, but I guess not.

Scalecaller peak normal is harder than White gold tower normal, might even significantly so.
Yes it might be that people don't know the mechanics.
However the skill of the group is far more important if you are in an group with good players all the normal dungeons is trivial,
With an bad group it might fold.

I say the normal dlc is in line with the easier vet dungeons.

It was the healing that the boss in white gold tower was doing. And theres 3 of them.

Scalecaller is just poison damage which my woodelf is practically immune to.

starkerealm

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

So ive been doing normal dungeons and wondering what makes some more difficult than others. I cant say ive found normal to be that difficult.... Except white gold tower... Wtf is up with the healing adjucater whatever its called. After failing that I ended up in scalecaller peak as the next random dungeon... It was significantly easier than white gold tower, completed it quickly and easily. I figured it would be harder because its newer, but I guess not.

Scalecaller peak normal is harder than White gold tower normal, might even significantly so.
Yes it might be that people don't know the mechanics.
However the skill of the group is far more important if you are in an group with good players all the normal dungeons is trivial,
With an bad group it might fold.

I say the normal dlc is in line with the easier vet dungeons.

It was the healing that the boss in white gold tower was doing. And theres 3 of them.

Scalecaller is just poison damage which my woodelf is practically immune to.

Disease, as I recall, but the point is the same.

No, with WGT, those three are pretty trivial if your team knows what they're doing. Even on vet, really. But, if your team doesn't know what they're doing... it can smear you. The healing isn't even a big deal. A DPS can bash them out of the heal, you can out DPS the heal if your team is able to pull more than about 30k as a group. But, if you're going in there with a couple DPS that can barely pull 5k, it's just not going to work.

Silver_Strider

DLC dungeons have these annoying things called "mechanics". Since base game dungeons have few to no mechanics, the average player isn't properly prepared for them in DLC dungeons where mechanics are to be respected, else you'll most likely die (unless you have godly amounts of DPS and can just burn thru them quickly enough). Even normal DLC dungeons are just slightly above normal base game dungeons in difficulty though, so they don't really get you ready for vet either.

Your situation with the Planar Inhibitor is probably the same issue every pug has with WGT; No one grabs the ****ing pinion in the dead center of the area. The mechanics for that fight are so simple and yet no one can do it properly. The Boss puts a stacking DoT on the person that has her aggro (Pinion determines aggro. Person that closes Pinion gets aggro). Some tanks can sustain themselves thru the DoT but the majority of pug tanks cannot so you have another person close the pinion to they don't die to the DoT and keep going back and forth so as to not get killed by the DoT. 2 people get targetted with portals and they need to stop attacking boss to kill portals so more adds don't come. After a bit, the boss engulfs herself in blue flames and chases around the person with her aggro. This also results in her snaring her target til they are completely frozen and can't even dodge roll. If she gets to her target, she will kill them almost instantly and go after a random person. Only way to survive is for another player to grab the pinion before she reachs her target and have her chase them instead. Rinse and repeat til she drops and you burn her. The portal mechanic also happens during the Blue Flame mechanic so the 2 people without portals should do the Pinion swap mechanic while the rest of the group focus on their portal mechanics. Just be careful not to get close to the boss cause the Blue Flames can kill anyone close to her, not just her target.

Honestly, ZOS needs to buff up normal dungeons (and some overworld content) to be more than just a cakewalk. There needs to be something to get players to L2P. End game is boring if only a handful of people can do it.

pdebie64b16_ESO

Did some of the newer DLC dungeons recently for the skill point on my stamblade what is my PvP char on normal mode, some of them i didnt do before but even in a pug group it wasnt a problem and i dont have BIS gear. I did Falkreath Hold with 3 Nightblades for the first time.

Dapper Dinosaur

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

So ive been doing normal dungeons and wondering what makes some more difficult than others. I cant say ive found normal to be that difficult.... Except white gold tower... Wtf is up with the healing adjucater whatever its called. After failing that I ended up in scalecaller peak as the next random dungeon... It was significantly easier than white gold tower, completed it quickly and easily. I figured it would be harder because its newer, but I guess not.

Scalecaller peak normal is harder than White gold tower normal, might even significantly so.
Yes it might be that people don't know the mechanics.
However the skill of the group is far more important if you are in an group with good players all the normal dungeons is trivial,
With an bad group it might fold.

I say the normal dlc is in line with the easier vet dungeons.

It was the healing that the boss in white gold tower was doing. And theres 3 of them.

Scalecaller is just poison damage which my woodelf is practically immune to.

That's a simple awareness check to screw with autopiloting plebs. Every single heal is bashable.

LittlePinkDot

starkerealm wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

So ive been doing normal dungeons and wondering what makes some more difficult than others. I cant say ive found normal to be that difficult.... Except white gold tower... Wtf is up with the healing adjucater whatever its called. After failing that I ended up in scalecaller peak as the next random dungeon... It was significantly easier than white gold tower, completed it quickly and easily. I figured it would be harder because its newer, but I guess not.

Scalecaller peak normal is harder than White gold tower normal, might even significantly so.
Yes it might be that people don't know the mechanics.
However the skill of the group is far more important if you are in an group with good players all the normal dungeons is trivial,
With an bad group it might fold.

I say the normal dlc is in line with the easier vet dungeons.

It was the healing that the boss in white gold tower was doing. And theres 3 of them.

Scalecaller is just poison damage which my woodelf is practically immune to.

Disease, as I recall, but the point is the same.

No, with WGT, those three are pretty trivial if your team knows what they're doing. Even on vet, really. But, if your team doesn't know what they're doing... it can smear you. The healing isn't even a big deal. A DPS can bash them out of the heal, you can out DPS the heal if your team is able to pull more than about 30k as a group. But, if you're going in there with a couple DPS that can barely pull 5k, it's just not going to work.

Well its normal, and ive been able to complete every other dungeon ive tried with random people, even with 1 person afk. 3 was enough. But usually I have to heal myself with vigor, so I have to stop my DPSing. Never mattered until White gold tower... Only once have I had a healer that healed so well I never even had to look at my health bar. It inspired me to turn my other character sorc (which I didnt like) into a healer.