Is it just me, or do master writs that require 9-trait sets not give nearly enough writ vouchers?

Azurephoenix999
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I've seen master writs that give over 100 vouchers, and I've seen master writs that only give 5, 6, or 7.

So far, of the two I've received that explicitly required a 9-trait set (first was Twice-Born Star, second was Pelinal's Aptitude), they both only offered 7 writ vouchers for completion.

Is it just me, or is that just plain NOT worth it? If you spend the time and energy to get to a stage where you CAN craft an item in those sets, you should be getting GREATLY rewarded for your effort!

7 Measly writ vouchers for THAT? I believe that ANY master writ that requires a 9-trait set should reward at least 10 times that amount! Also a lot more gold and XP.
Edited by Azurephoenix999 on May 5, 2018 11:22AM
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  • DamenAJ
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    Eh, once you know the traits, there is no extra effort to these sets as to any other, that's why it's not a jacked up writ voucher.

    Higher vouchers are for nirnhoned, legendary, and (maybe?) rarer motifs.... Because they're more expensive.
  • Azurephoenix999
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    DamenAJ wrote: »
    Eh, once you know the traits, there is no extra effort to these sets as to any other, that's why it's not a jacked up writ voucher.

    Higher vouchers are for nirnhoned, legendary, and (maybe?) rarer motifs.... Because they're more expensive.

    I get that, but the effort is actually researching all of the traits in the first place. Players who take the time to research all 9 traits should be able to get a lot more out of the crafting in the game, especially the master writs, since they're basically endgame crafting.
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  • Everstorm
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    DamenAJ wrote: »
    Eh, once you know the traits, there is no extra effort to these sets as to any other, that's why it's not a jacked up writ voucher.

    Higher vouchers are for nirnhoned, legendary, and (maybe?) rarer motifs.... Because they're more expensive.

    I get that, but the effort is actually researching all of the traits in the first place. Players who take the time to research all 9 traits should be able to get a lot more out of the crafting in the game, especially the master writs, since they're basically endgame crafting.

    There is no "effort" and no "take the time". It's just clicking a button and go do whatever you were gonna do anyway. And yes, I have a nine trait crafter. Time =! Effort.
  • redspecter23
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    The 7 vouchers "rewards" are typically for epic versions of the items. You won't see much more than that unless it's a legendary writ. Personally, I don't think we should even have "epic master" writs. I just sell them on my guild stores. Not even worth my effort to walk to the station then back to the turn in.
  • Azurephoenix999
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    Everstorm wrote: »
    DamenAJ wrote: »
    Eh, once you know the traits, there is no extra effort to these sets as to any other, that's why it's not a jacked up writ voucher.

    Higher vouchers are for nirnhoned, legendary, and (maybe?) rarer motifs.... Because they're more expensive.

    I get that, but the effort is actually researching all of the traits in the first place. Players who take the time to research all 9 traits should be able to get a lot more out of the crafting in the game, especially the master writs, since they're basically endgame crafting.

    There is no "effort" and no "take the time". It's just clicking a button and go do whatever you were gonna do anyway. And yes, I have a nine trait crafter. Time =! Effort.

    I feel like you're ignoring what I'm saying. Call it effort, time, or whatever the hell you want, but the fact remains that it takes a LOT of investment to get all 9 traits on every item. Just because you have a nine trait crafter, that doesn't give you the right to trivialise the achievement for everybody else.
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  • Everstorm
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    No, there is no investment, no achievement. It doesn't take skill or intelligence or whatever to let time pass by. Time will pass by no matter what you do.
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    Everstorm wrote: »
    No, there is no investment, no achievement. It doesn't take skill or intelligence or whatever to let time pass by. Time will pass by no matter what you do.

    Well technically next patch if I recall correctly there's new achievement called master crafter.
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    Everstorm wrote: »
    No, there is no investment, no achievement. It doesn't take skill or intelligence or whatever to let time pass by. Time will pass by no matter what you do.

    It takes much longer to get 9 trait than actually level the skill itself.

    You can hit 50 and get the skill points in a day. 9 trait it's impossible unless you pay a lot of money.
  • ghastley
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    The reward for learning the traits is the higher chance of getting the writs. It doesn't need to be compounded on the reward for each writ.

    Vouchers should reflect the expense of the content. So rarer motifs/, style mats, and nirncrux, will all push up the [payback. Otherwise, crafters just won't do them.
  • Everstorm
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    karekiz wrote: »
    Everstorm wrote: »
    No, there is no investment, no achievement. It doesn't take skill or intelligence or whatever to let time pass by. Time will pass by no matter what you do.

    It takes much longer to get 9 trait than actually level the skill itself.

    You can hit 50 and get the skill points in a day. 9 trait it's impossible unless you pay a lot of money.

    Yes, it takes long, it's a timesink, but it's not difficult to do. An achievement is something you've worked for, overcame obstacle for, something you can be proud of. There is no work or effort or whatever involved here.
    Just because we have the odd costom of congratulating people on their birthday doesn't mean that getting older is an achievement.
  • neverwalk
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    I'm a KNOW IT ALL crafter and high value crafting writs no longer exist. CRAFTING is a JOKE. Doesn't reflect the time and in-game gold sent to become A KNOW IT ALL and then you do your writs for the day and get no Master Writs, and this happens day after day, and then you get one-it's only for 47 writ vouchers. Now i wanna RAGE on Zos, but i'm to old at 60. Zos grow the _uck-up and make ESO great for the first time. Oh, jewelery crafting SHOULD be apart of BASE game.
    Edited by neverwalk on May 5, 2018 4:54PM
  • Jhalin
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    Well if that guy is done being an absolute buzzkill for no good reason...

    I 100% agree with OP. Nothing but tier and nirn seem to have any influence at all over the voucher amounts, which is plain stupid. Master writs requiring Militant Ordinator in guild traders for chump change because they’re giving a measly 8 vouchers. Armor Master set giving 15. There’s no rhyme or reason behind it.
  • Shadowmaster
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    Got a legendary Pelinals with Buoyant Armiger chest with 40 writ vouchers the other day.

    I'm able to craft it but sure as hell didnt seem worth it. Ive been fishing for some purple furnishing recipes though so I did it.
  • Everstorm
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    Jhalin wrote: »
    Well if that guy is done being an absolute buzzkill for no good reason...

    I wish the crafting system was more involed and in the end more rewarding. But as it is the best sets are 6 traits. Going higher doesn't really add much.
    It is kindda odd that it takes way more time and effort to get all motifs, which is just cosmetic, then it takes to actually make sets.
    I wasn't trying to critize the OP, I'm critizing the system.

  • Colecovision
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    The reward for being a 9 trait crafter is that you can do them. Otherwise you have to sell it cheap at the guild store. The 9 trait crafter can be on the buying side of that exchange as well.
  • karekiz
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    Everstorm wrote: »
    An achievement is something you've worked for, overcame obstacle for, something you can be proud of.

    I don't think you read your own sentence. "You" is defined by yourself. Meaning you can't really say it is or isn't for someone other than yourself. Its fine you don't think it is an achievement. That's great. Cadwell's gold doesn't take much skill either, but I would certainly call that an achievement.

    Hell you could DO cadwells gold faster than 9 trait without even really trying to play. Maybe three buttons on your bar or just heavy attack through it all.
    Edited by karekiz on May 5, 2018 5:43PM
  • eso_nya
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    Formula seems to be somewhat around 6 vouchers times 2 if nirnhoned, times 10 if legendary +1 if rare style +1 if 9 trait set.

    imho, should be base value times amount of traits required, times (5 minus amount of years style is in game), times 3 for legendary and never ask for nirnhoned. Additionally, you should never get a writ the char getting it cant complete.
    Thus the better u r at crafting, the better the wirts u can get become.

    Currently the only "advantage" for a master crafter is, that u can be more picky when buying master writs from guildtarders.
    This is sometimes really nice, when voucher prices went down far enough, that the master writs sell for less, than what u would have gotten if u sold the materials used for the normal writs u would need to do to get them.
  • Everstorm
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    karekiz wrote: »
    Everstorm wrote: »
    An achievement is something you've worked for, overcame obstacle for, something you can be proud of.

    I don't think you read your own sentence. "You" is defined by yourself. Meaning you can't really say it is or isn't for someone other than yourself. Its fine you don't think it is an achievement. That's great. Cadwell's gold doesn't take much skill either, but I would certainly call that an achievement.

    Hell you could DO cadwells gold faster than 9 trait without even really trying to play. Maybe three buttons on your bar or just heavy attack through it all.

    The difference between Cadwell's Gold and researching traits is that you actually have to be at your keyboard and invest time to do the first. Invest time as in you can't do something else with that time, you have to at least keep half an eye on it. Research takes one-two minutes to set up and then check back in x amount of days.
  • Conduit0
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    Got a legendary Pelinals with Buoyant Armiger chest with 40 writ vouchers the other day.

    I'm able to craft it but sure as hell didnt seem worth it. Ive been fishing for some purple furnishing recipes though so I did it.

    The really insulting ones are the provisioning writs that require two(2) Perfect Roe and they only give 10 writ vouchers.
  • AlienatedGoat
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    Everstorm wrote: »
    DamenAJ wrote: »
    Eh, once you know the traits, there is no extra effort to these sets as to any other, that's why it's not a jacked up writ voucher.

    Higher vouchers are for nirnhoned, legendary, and (maybe?) rarer motifs.... Because they're more expensive.

    I get that, but the effort is actually researching all of the traits in the first place. Players who take the time to research all 9 traits should be able to get a lot more out of the crafting in the game, especially the master writs, since they're basically endgame crafting.

    There is no "effort" and no "take the time". It's just clicking a button and go do whatever you were gonna do anyway. And yes, I have a nine trait crafter. Time =! Effort.

    Yeah...thats ***.

    You can do it the lazy way, which has less effort.

    Or you can do it the way where you spend countless hours micromanaging traits, timers, bank space, writs for vouchers, vouchers for research scrolls, research scroll cooldown timers, etc. You can't say that isn't effort.
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