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Who's Dremora are they anyway?

carljokl
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I have read lore articles stating that the Dremora are the servants of Mehrunes Dagon. He doesn't seem to play much of a role in the events of ESO. All the Dremora in ESO seem to be serving Molag Bal instead.

Is there any lore about this? Do the Dremora change allegiance as Mehrunes Dagon becomes a more dominant antagonist over Molag Bal by the time of Elder Scrolls Oblivion.

We do visit Mehrunes Dagon's domain in Firsthold but I wasn't all that clear if he is much involved otherwise in the events of ESO. The exposure to his domain is minimal.

Speaking of which, The domain or torture where Sai is being held. Lore description describes Mehrune's Dagon's domain as being very volcanic. The aesthetic of that place looks much more like a domain of Mehrunes Dragon with all the lava and red/brown rock than the blue/white/grey washed out look of Coldharbour, Molag Bal's domain.

Do the two have a level of cooperation? Sharing minions and making use of each other's domains as it serves their purposes?
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  • carljokl
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    I take it back about the halls of torment. There are outside areas that are very clearly Coldharbour. The volcanic inside areas are just in keeping with the Dunmer styling those rooms are fashioned after.
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  • Xoelarasizerer
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    You will find some Mehrunes Dagon serving Dremora in a few areas and questlines.
    But during Molag Bal's questline and Coldharbour, mostly his.

    I found it interesting encountering Dark Seducers (previously seen as guards of Dementia in Sheogorath's Shivering Isles) that were loyal soldiers of Molag Bal instead of the Madgod.

    So some Daedra indeed aren't exclusive to one prince.
    Edited by Xoelarasizerer on May 1, 2018 10:05PM
  • carljokl
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    It does. I had found references about Dremora that said they are primarily associated with Mehrunes Dagon but are also found in the service of other Daedric princes. Your answer is a lot more detailed than this.
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  • Chaos2088
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    Daedra like mortals can choose which Prince they serve, even if their race were created by a specific Prince. Mehrunes Dagon is the creator of the dremora, and most dremora serve and worship Dagon. But some clans have instead devoted themselves to other Princes. Here are some of the races and who created them

    Dremora-Mehrunes Dagon
    Xivilai-Molag Bal
    Hunger-Boethiah
    Winged Twilight-Azura
    Seekers, Lurkers,watchers(?)-Hermaous Mora
    Ogrim-Malacath
    Skaafin-Clavicus Vile
    Spider Daedra-Maphala
    Aurorans-Meridia
    Knights of Order-Jyggalag
    Golden Saints, Dark Seducers-Sheogorath

    And more

    While majority of these daedra stick with their patron prince, others leave to serve other princes.

    Hope this helps

    Agree with what was said above.

    Also the Daedric Princes I can gather would have a spitting war with each other with servants, kind of "you have a toy I want" kinda mentality. Plus on a power level :)
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  • Ajaxandriel
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    carljokl wrote: »
    We do visit Mehrunes Dagon's domain in Firsthold but I wasn't all that clear if he is much involved otherwise in the events of ESO. The exposure to his domain is minimal.
    We visit Dagon's realm during the "City of Ash II" dungeon ;)
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  • carljokl
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    The Seducers are said to be creations of Sheogorath but it would make a lot more sense if they were created by Sanguine.
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  • ghastley
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    I disagree with the idea that the lesser daedra were created by the Princes. The daedra do not create, they only change what already exists. The lesser daedra will have their clans and internal divisions - as we see in the ESO main quest, where you get assistance from one Dremora against another clan. However, it's always likely that a race, such as the Dremora or the Mazken, will be sympathetic to a particular Prince with whom they feel some agreement.

    Those alliances can change with time, and things like Sheogorath (who has a following of Mazken/Aureals) morphing into Jyggalag (with his Order Knights) just adds to the confusion, when the two retinues fight each other. Probably the same happens when Boethiah decides to switch gender, as he/she does from time to time. Scamps, hungers, and others may just follow their "herders", as they crop up all over the map.

  • elias.stormneb18_ESO
    ghastley wrote: »
    I disagree with the idea that the lesser daedra were created by the Princes. The daedra do not create, they only change what already exists. The lesser daedra will have their clans and internal divisions - as we see in the ESO main quest, where you get assistance from one Dremora against another clan. However, it's always likely that a race, such as the Dremora or the Mazken, will be sympathetic to a particular Prince with whom they feel some agreement.

    Those alliances can change with time, and things like Sheogorath (who has a following of Mazken/Aureals) morphing into Jyggalag (with his Order Knights) just adds to the confusion, when the two retinues fight each other. Probably the same happens when Boethiah decides to switch gender, as he/she does from time to time. Scamps, hungers, and others may just follow their "herders", as they crop up all over the map.

    I largely agree; but the Daedra can definitely create—they're essentially the same as the Aedra, after all. They simply often avoid doing so, because if they aren't careful ... well, that's what the Maelstrom Arena story is about.
  • Tucker3711
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  • gurluasb16_ESO
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    ghastley wrote: »
    I disagree with the idea that the lesser daedra were created by the Princes. The daedra do not create, they only change what already exists. The lesser daedra will have their clans and internal divisions - as we see in the ESO main quest, where you get assistance from one Dremora against another clan. However, it's always likely that a race, such as the Dremora or the Mazken, will be sympathetic to a particular Prince with whom they feel some agreement.

    Those alliances can change with time, and things like Sheogorath (who has a following of Mazken/Aureals) morphing into Jyggalag (with his Order Knights) just adds to the confusion, when the two retinues fight each other. Probably the same happens when Boethiah decides to switch gender, as he/she does from time to time. Scamps, hungers, and others may just follow their "herders", as they crop up all over the map.

    I largely agree; but the Daedra can definitely create—they're essentially the same as the Aedra, after all. They simply often avoid doing so, because if they aren't careful ... well, that's what the Maelstrom Arena story is about.

    Padomaic Et'ada are incapable of creating, only Anuic Et'ada can create.
    Padomaic Et'ada can imitate, so if they see something someone else made, they can copy it, exaggerate the details, modify it, but only Anuic Et'ada can create entirely new things.

    The only Anuic Daedric Prince that we know of is Meridia, and thus she's the only one who would be capable of creating new things from scratch. It's possible though, that the Daedric Princes may contract mortals to make concepts for them since all descendants of the Ehlnofey are Anuic and can thus create new concepts. (This means essentially all player races)
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    The only Anuic Daedric Prince that we know of is Meridia...

    Malacath comes to mind.
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  • starkerealm
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    carljokl wrote: »
    The Seducers are said to be creations of Sheogorath but it would make a lot more sense if they were created by Sanguine.

    @carljokl, there's a duality. There's the Golden Saints and the Dark Seducers. Together they encapsulate both aspects of Sheogorath's demeanor.

    There's also the Knights of Order, so that's potentially a solid theme of Sheogorath's split identity baked straight into his "normal" persona.
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  • ArchMikem
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    Read somewhere that the Dremora choose their Lords. The Clans respect power and pledge their servitude to the Daedric Prince they believe to be the most powerful.
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