Why Does ZOS hate Templars??

Bigevilpeter

4 years into the game and they are still the worst class dps wise, stamplars are really not even considered when it come to balance and the only thing they are good at which is healing keeps getting nerfed and the other classes buffed to be on par with them.
They are really trying thier best to take the only niche the templars have.

Is there some issue that make them hate Templars that much?

Turelus

ZOS hates every class, you just have to ask the people who play them.

Templars being the only viable healers is not a good niche, it's pigeon holing into a role.

Sergykid

templars are healers.

we got no unblockable cc, the only sustain ability is available when the fight is already over, and the only class without major brutality/sorcery buff. I know we have other things to compensate, like cleanse, but most of the abilities are pretty useless.

Turelus wrote: »

ZOS hates every class, you just have to ask the people who play them.

Templars being the only viable healers is not a good niche, it's pigeon holing into a role.

don't remember when Z0$ hated nightblades, they and sorcs still have best defenses/offenses. Even warden and dk are way stronger. I've seen very good magplars and stamplars but there is the player better not the class, if they would fight an equal skill enemy they would lose harder.

Nemesis7884

nothing can keep the templars down! PUUUUUUURGE

RainfeatherUK

It's cute that you think people having a role they enjoy, or wanting a slight 'flavour' or thematic/traditional class archetype (like TEMPLAR) is 'pigeonholing'.

Some others might call that 'purpose', or actually having a distinct reason to exist over something else. Which is 90% of the time why the complaint is raised. Too much freedom isn't a good thing. Still don't let me knock you forum warriors off your crusade of bigotry for anyone who dares criticize 'perfect zos hurr durr'. *eye roll* Exaggeration to force a point is almost a liberal meme at this point.

Turelus

Sergykid wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ZOS hates every class, you just have to ask the people who play them.

Templars being the only viable healers is not a good niche, it's pigeon holing into a role.

don't remember when Z0$ hated nightblades, they and sorcs still have best defenses/offenses. Even warden and dk are way stronger. I've seen very good magplars and stamplars but there is the player better not the class, if they would fight an equal skill enemy they would lose harder.

Nightblades are not hated apart from - nerfs to cloak, terrible at launch, etc.
DK are not hated apart from - Dragon Bones patch notes, it's not that long ago people should remember.
Sorc are not hated apart from - Every change made to "nerf" them.
Warden - It's the *** child which has always been hated, I will let people have this one.

I don't completely disagree with Templars needing some love in some areas, but to ever claim they're the only class which gets messed with and "hated" by ZOS according to this community.

Betsararie

I don't know. Good question.

One of the best classes, and they hate them. Good idea!

Androconium

You can believe Turelus.
I'm not sure why; but the cheque helped!

Reverb

Yup. Let's make a class that's pretty much ineffective at anything but healing, and then make it the only class without Major Mending. And then make sure that the class heals are all either really situational or really expensive, so that resto skills are better by every measure

Androconium

Reverb wrote: »

Yup. Let's make a class that's pretty much ineffective at anything but healing, and then make it the only class without Major Mending. And then make sure that the class heals are all either really situational or really expensive, so that resto skills are better by every measure

Clearly, you've over-thought this issue, in the mistaken belief that anyone cares....
But, thanks for trying.

Gargath

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Is there some issue that make them hate Templars that much?

No idea why you say about ZOS' hate, I see no point in changing this class, my templars are cool and I like them like all other classes I have. I understand it's all about proper build and knowledge about abilities. For me templar class is good enough. Cheers!

eso_lags

I wish my stam sorc had even 1/4 of what my templars have at their disposal. Hell, even some healing passives so i wouldnt have to run TK to combat defile. Templars are great.

Bigevilpeter

itzTJ wrote: »

I wish my stam sorc had even 1/4 of what my templars have at their disposal. Hell, even some healing passives so i wouldnt have to run TK to combat defile. Templars are great.

Dude stam sorcs are one of the strongest classes in the game

maltinkilic

They don't hate Templars. They like Templars less.

Tasear

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

It's cute that you think people having a role they enjoy, or wanting a slight 'flavour' or thematic/traditional class archetype (like TEMPLAR) is 'pigeonholing'.

Some others might call that 'purpose', or actually having a distinct reason to exist over something else. Which is 90% of the time why the complaint is raised. Too much freedom isn't a good thing. Still don't let me knock you forum warriors off your crusade of bigotry for anyone who dares criticize 'perfect zos hurr durr'. *eye roll* Exaggeration to force a point is almost a liberal meme at this point.

There's no purpose in ESO it's all play as you want. As such, It's about gameplay experience differences.

ayu_fever

my main is a nord stamina templar tank.
has been since i started playing a few weeks before morrowind came out last year.

in the eyes of the dps players:
when the queue “finally” has a tank, and they see a NORD templar...
they roll their eyes and start whining already.
“wahhhh you arent a DK!”
“wahhhh fake tank!”
“wahhhh templars are only supposed to be healers!”
(shouldnt those kids be whining about pvp on the forums, and not worrying about my tank?)

once the dungeon begins they change their tune VERY quickly.
everytime.
that tank can play through all content with no issues.

i dont like the DK and never have.
DK tanking sucks! i can only tolerate playing the DK as a dark elf fire mage and it is kinda fun in that role.

meta players are sheep.
they are allowing children on youtube to tell them how to play.
this game is a vast world with so many choices to put together builds!
i designed all of my characters myself and had a blast putting builds together.
sometimes it is a dud,
sometimes it is a STUD!
be creative and try things. dont be told what to do.
you will see that to go against the grain is liberating.

Violynne

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Is there some issue that make them hate Templars that much?

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted

It started with them, and this war has been going on for thousands of years.

cazlonb16_ESO

Turelus wrote: »

ZOS hates every class, you just have to ask the people who play them.

Templars being the only viable healers is not a good niche, it's pigeon holing into a role.

The problem is that the laudable goal of rebalancing healers ( read: Nurf Templars' healing ability ) is not accompanied by basically any effort to address their substantial shortcomings in every other role.

Bigevilpeter

Turelus wrote: »

ZOS hates every class, you just have to ask the people who play them.

Templars being the only viable healers is not a good niche, it's pigeon holing into a role.

I play every single class and the only class I don't play as Dps anymore is both my templars, they just require so much work only yo give less dps than the other classes

WhipSmartMcoy

ayu_fever wrote: »

my main is a nord stamina templar tank.
has been since i started playing a few weeks before morrowind came out last year.

in the eyes of the dps players:
when the queue “finally” has a tank, and they see a NORD templar...
they roll their eyes and start whining already.
“wahhhh you arent a DK!”
“wahhhh fake tank!”
“wahhhh templars are only supposed to be healers!”
(shouldnt those kids be whining about pvp on the forums, and not worrying about my tank?)

once the dungeon begins they change their tune VERY quickly.
everytime.
that tank can play through all content with no issues.

i dont like the DK and never have.
DK tanking sucks! i can only tolerate playing the DK as a dark elf fire mage and it is kinda fun in that role.

meta players are sheep.
they are allowing children on youtube to tell them how to play.
this game is a vast world with so many choices to put together builds!
i designed all of my characters myself and had a blast putting builds together.
sometimes it is a dud,
sometimes it is a STUD!
be creative and try things. dont be told what to do.
you will see that to go against the grain is liberating.

Thank youuuuu!!

Tasear

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ZOS hates every class, you just have to ask the people who play them.

Templars being the only viable healers is not a good niche, it's pigeon holing into a role.

I play every single class and the only class I don't play as Dps anymore is both my templars, they just require so much work only yo give less dps than the other classes

Sometimes, I wonder how people can truly believe Templars are best healers?

RainfeatherUK

Tasear wrote: »

There's no purpose in ESO

Lmao oh dear, I can't help but channel my inner Dr.McCoy from star trek for this one;

''Good God man, you can't just walk in and tell it how it is! What is this? Someone telling the b***** truth about ESO!?''

You are exactly right. It has no purpose whatsoever! Play as you want is a myth. Pot, meet my friend 'meta'! But for your casual player sure you can walk around doing anything you like in a fairy land to an extent.

Which is unfortunately what the game is directed towards now. It didn't really have a clear focus at launch. Who was the target audience? Surely you wont say MMO veterans with a straight face? If that were the case I wouldn't have been sat discussing the opposite with Lefty Lucy in a completely different MMO after he quit following along with this one.

I think in reality they struggled to try and hold on to everyone. In an attempt to appeal to all different types. Noble perhaps but without the resources and playerbase (read income and interest) you can't manage it.

When I play FFXIV I know the PvP is bad. So do they. So its a clear side game. I knew that from day one and for its strengths; it sticks to them. Ok, no problem.

But with ESO. When you as a developer don't even really know what you've made... well hmm. I sense a teeeeny bit of an issue in the force with that one Luke.

I have always openly admitted that I prefer the Trinity (would I play trinity games if I didnt?) but that doesn't mean im trying to impose anything on anyone else, which is another of my favorite liberal excuses.

The point is that class diversity exists not only as a focal point for the pursuit of a specific class fantasy (which could be made by a free skill system) but also balance; which is integral to MMO's and gives distinct value in opposition to a homogenized world of meta clones.

Not everyone follows the meta but most people who care about competition (ergo being along side others and having a group responsibility) usually do. Could this have been why, in the early days when Sypher released a build I'd see droves of people with an identical copy cat, even though it wouldn't work effectively until much later... hmmm :thinkface:

I leave people to their merits of their own opinions but mine are obviously grounded in an 'appreciation'' for the less is more that created the trinity to begin with.

Divinity Original Sin is probably one of the most succesfull RPG's outside of the multiplayer circuit in recent years and they said 'using classes gives us MORE creative freedom, not less'. Something to think about perhaps.

Serjustin19

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

nothing can keep the templars down! PUUUUUUURGE

Wouldn't Redguard Templars Work

Heka Cain

Why do Templars hate ZOS?

Bigevilpeter

Heka Cain wrote: »

Why do Templars hate ZOS?

Because ZOS keeps nerfing them

Kodrac

Turelus wrote: »

I don't completely disagree with Templars needing some love in some areas, but to ever claim they're the only class which gets messed with and "hated" by ZOS according to this community.

People (myself included) are still bitter about the Morrowind changes that affected Templars. Major Mending loss, Undaunted orbs changing spear shards, Repentance and more. Then there's the constant, let's call it restructuring, yeah, of jabs since the beginning of time. Oh and then there was the nerf to Blazing Shield. Give me time. I'll think of more. But I guess they deserved it because... Radiant Destruction?

Yzalirk

ayu_fever wrote: »

my main is a nord stamina templar tank.
has been since i started playing a few weeks before morrowind came out last year.

in the eyes of the dps players:
when the queue “finally” has a tank, and they see a NORD templar...
they roll their eyes and start whining already.
“wahhhh you arent a DK!”
“wahhhh fake tank!”
“wahhhh templars are only supposed to be healers!”
(shouldnt those kids be whining about pvp on the forums, and not worrying about my tank?)

once the dungeon begins they change their tune VERY quickly.
everytime.
that tank can play through all content with no issues.

i dont like the DK and never have.
DK tanking sucks! i can only tolerate playing the DK as a dark elf fire mage and it is kinda fun in that role.

meta players are sheep.
they are allowing children on youtube to tell them how to play.
this game is a vast world with so many choices to put together builds!
i designed all of my characters myself and had a blast putting builds together.
sometimes it is a dud,
sometimes it is a STUD!
be creative and try things. dont be told what to do.
you will see that to go against the grain is liberating.

Same here. In fact, I have two Nord Templars - a male and female. For being non-meta in possibly every way possible, they can perform very well. Some people just do not know how to utilize them correctly.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Every class saw some brutal nerfs to their iconic class skills. I'd like to say templars got some of the worst of it but then I remember how sorc shields used to last for 20 seconds, now they last for 6 for the same cost. How streak got nerfed about 10 individual times. How we cried for a sorc makeover and kept getting pets no one wanted pushed on us.

But then again there was a time when there was a collective "OH shi-" when a DK dropped a standard. Battle roar was mighty, wings actually reflected projectiles and the helping hands passive actually worked for stam DKs.

And as overtuned as people think they are, NB's have had stealth, stealth damage and stealth mechanics nerfed over and over again.

Its not templars, its the continued direction of taking so much power away from the classes, to make up for other decisions like having so much power come from the champion system.

Androconium

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Every class saw some brutal nerfs to their iconic class skills. I'd like to say templars got some of the worst of it but then I remember how sorc shields used to last for 20 seconds, now they last for 6 for the same cost. How streak got nerfed about 10 individual times. How we cried for a sorc makeover and kept getting pets no one wanted pushed on us.

But then again there was a time when there was a collective "OH shi-" when a DK dropped a standard. Battle roar was mighty, wings actually reflected projectiles and the helping hands passive actually worked for stam DKs.

And as overtuned as people think they are, NB's have had stealth, stealth damage and stealth mechanics nerfed over and over again.

Its not templars, its the continued direction of taking so much power away from the classes, to make up for other decisions like having so much power come from the champion system.

Yup. Listening to whiney MMOers "teh guys wiv majic always win" - well der; that's why its magic.
No point in having a magic sword and cape if they dont winz always.

Nothing is more fail than a Joker that doesn't win the trick.
ummmm, you do know card games, yes?

ak_pvp

Because they are a shoddily put together class with much less ability to shrug and heal off the damage that it used to, its held down by floaty and poorly fitting mechanics, like jabs with no good CC, and the only one pushes the enemy away. Burning light is generic, and the healing is eh. The house was an OK idea, but implemented poorly with no actual home defense, just two AoEs, warden should be the (tree)house and templar be speedy.

Mitoice

ZOS hates templars you say?? Have you ever heard of something called the warden class???