Do they even want us to use psijic skill line?

BeefyMrTips

I know it’s only the second update for PTS but they just decreased light and heavy attacks by 20%. Isn’t the main dps spammable in this skill line dependent on light attacks?

Were light attacks that OP in test server? I guess I didn’t hear about it. Can someone shed some light on this for me?

Aliyavana

Stamina morph of imbue weapon is underwhelming compared to magika morph

LiquidPony

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

I know it’s only the second update for PTS but they just decreased light and heavy attacks by 20%. Isn’t the main dps spammable in this skill line dependent on light attacks?

Were light attacks that OP in test server? I guess I didn’t hear about it. Can someone shed some light on this for me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVsb6YB_p3k

Obviously (and admittedly) a cheese parse, but nonetheless, 68.7k self-buffed on a magblade ... with nearly 18k DPS coming from light attacks is pretty ridiculous.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

So, they took away our sustain to make us all a bunch of heavy-attacking lunatics, and now they are reducing its damage as well?

Zordrage

Aliyavana wrote: »

Stamina morph of imbue weapon is underwhelming compared to magika morph

Morphs for stamina are always underwhelming in this game...
its starting to annoy me now...

xbobx

isn't that skill going to be really annoying. press button light attack button light attack and over and over.

AlienatedGoat

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

So, they took away our sustain to make us all a bunch of heavy-attacking lunatics, and now they are reducing its damage as well?

I gave up on trying to figure the logic on HA a long time ago.

Cage_Lizardman

xbobx wrote: »

isn't that skill going to be really annoying. press button light attack button light attack and over and over.

That is every rotation anyway.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

LiquidPony wrote: »

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

I know it’s only the second update for PTS but they just decreased light and heavy attacks by 20%. Isn’t the main dps spammable in this skill line dependent on light attacks?

Were light attacks that OP in test server? I guess I didn’t hear about it. Can someone shed some light on this for me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVsb6YB_p3k

Obviously (and admittedly) a cheese parse, but nonetheless, 68.7k self-buffed on a magblade ... with nearly 18k DPS coming from light attacks is pretty ridiculous.

That's all fine and dandy for elite players in BIS gear, but what about everyone else?

Jhalin

I was seeing 17k unbuffed light attacks on World Bosses, it’s a damn good thing they toned that down. Light attacks shouldn’t be doing more damage than abilities.

Zordrage

xbobx wrote: »

isn't that skill going to be really annoying. press button light attack button light attack and over and over.

all these players always Voted and supported of this Ani cancel Waving crap in this game... now they are getting it on steroids...

il hope devs will keep doing this until it reaches a level where its annoying now and we finally get skill lines with REAL abilities in them instead of wasting skills in a limited skill line to support this crap...

firedrgn

Why nerrf ha. I have not seen anything that showed that needed a nerff i am happy to watch a video or something please advise

Thanks

Nelson_Rebel

The light attacks were doing ridiculous amounts of damage from literaly doing nothing and being un-buffed and spamming light attacks was still achieving near vet Dungeon level damage requirements

Zordrage

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ak_pvp

They can't make them too OP else we would have P2W complaints, so instead they put basic things in them like a spammable, some heal, some regen and a CC, all of which have better versions and end up underwhelming.

That is why they should never have been balance related paywalled skills, it limits both sides.

NewBlacksmurf

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

So, they took away our sustain to make us all a bunch of heavy-attacking lunatics, and now they are reducing its damage as well?

Here’s the logic....summarized

We messed up in the beginning with:
-VR
-Removing overcharged
-One Tamriel
-removing Faction locks
-CP
-Cyrodil/IC

So we can’t figure out how to fix “X” so instead we will keep adjusting things until it feels better to US than it did before.

Actual solution, go back and actually fix the problems even if that means drastic change.
AND seperate PvE from PvP literally as in two seperate game modes and servers.

Zordrage

ak_pvp wrote: »

They can't make them too OP else we would have P2W complaints, so instead they put basic things in them like a spammable, some heal, some regen and a CC, all of which have better versions and end up underwhelming.

That is why they should never have been balance related paywalled skills, it limits both sides.

AND THIS is why im Against people who don't want new Classes only New skill lines...
they are so blind to this....Skill lines only will ALLWAYS suck and never will truly expand our Classes that ALREADY HAVE REALLY LIMITED SKILL BAR to put skills in....

NewBlacksmurf

Zordrage wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

They can't make them too OP else we would have P2W complaints, so instead they put basic things in them like a spammable, some heal, some regen and a CC, all of which have better versions and end up underwhelming.

That is why they should never have been balance related paywalled skills, it limits both sides.

AND THIS is why im Against people who don't want new Classes only New skill lines...
they are so blind to this....Skill lines only will ALLWAYS suck and never will truly expand our Classes that ALREADY HAVE REALLY LIMITED SKILL BAR to put skills in....

@Zordrage
New classes aren’t going to solve anything. The actual issue is the classes. New skill lines open to everyone are good.

The skill bar isn’t limiting you in anyway. It’s just requires you to swap out skill in between combat.

If the classes were treated like new skill lines, we would all be in a much better place. Then the only complaint would be ppl wanting enough skill points to unlock all skills but the beauty of limited skill points is the solution towards some form of balance

Zordrage

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Zordrage wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

They can't make them too OP else we would have P2W complaints, so instead they put basic things in them like a spammable, some heal, some regen and a CC, all of which have better versions and end up underwhelming.

That is why they should never have been balance related paywalled skills, it limits both sides.

AND THIS is why im Against people who don't want new Classes only New skill lines...
they are so blind to this....Skill lines only will ALLWAYS suck and never will truly expand our Classes that ALREADY HAVE REALLY LIMITED SKILL BAR to put skills in....

@Zordrage
New classes aren’t going to solve anything. The actual issue is the classes. New skill lines open to everyone are good.

The skill bar isn’t limiting you in anyway. It’s just requires you to swap out skill in between combat

yeah fun experience right there...
bad design... also you just said it needs you to keep replacing your skills because not enough slot for skills... so yeah your lying to yourself because its limiting...

Also allot of classes has Huge amount of sinergies between their class Skills and passives there is just no place to place new ones on the skill lines... maybe max ONE for allot of builds....

Also a New class equals an entire new gameplay Experience with 3 totally new skill line and bunch of passives...
vs1 skill line that is barely usable for most people that have finished and tested builds that have no place to change skills..

themaddaedra

Aliyavana wrote: »

Stamina morph of imbue weapon is underwhelming compared to magika morph

And what does it have to do with this subject i wonder?

Eyro

Do you think all those people I made of fun of in dungeons for just light attack spamming will still run with me?

Zordrage

Eyro wrote: »

Do you think all those people I made of fun of in dungeons for just light attack spamming will still run with me?

nope... your forever alone now...

Colecovision

LAs still have a buff. It’s just a toned down buff from the first PTS release, because they initially broke the game. This is good.

Bobby_V_Rockit

I dunno, 36 seconds of minor force with mechanical acuity sounds pretty sweet

NewBlacksmurf

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Zordrage wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Zordrage wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

They can't make them too OP else we would have P2W complaints, so instead they put basic things in them like a spammable, some heal, some regen and a CC, all of which have better versions and end up underwhelming.

That is why they should never have been balance related paywalled skills, it limits both sides.

AND THIS is why im Against people who don't want new Classes only New skill lines...
they are so blind to this....Skill lines only will ALLWAYS suck and never will truly expand our Classes that ALREADY HAVE REALLY LIMITED SKILL BAR to put skills in....

@Zordrage
New classes aren’t going to solve anything. The actual issue is the classes. New skill lines open to everyone are good.

The skill bar isn’t limiting you in anyway. It’s just requires you to swap out skill in between combat

yeah fun experience right there...
bad design... also you just said it needs you to keep replacing your skills because not enough slot for skills... so yeah your lying to yourself because its limiting...

Also allot of classes has Huge amount of sinergies between their class Skills and passives there is just no place to place new ones on the skill lines... maybe max ONE for allot of builds....

Also a New class equals an entire new gameplay Experience with 3 totally new skill line and bunch of passives...
vs1 skill line that is barely usable for most people that have finished and tested builds that have no place to change skills..

- The bar is designed to create variety in play styles. You’re not locked to skills and hopefully you’re changing at least in different encounters and group dynamics for success.

I don’t feel it’s any inconvenience as on PC it’s a quick drag and drop. On console it’s a quick menu click and swap

-A new class doesn’t equal a new gameplay experience. Consider that only those who are willing to start all the way over and play through all the content again....only those will have a new set of skills to use through the exact same experience that already exists in a scaled manner. Anyone can experience it now, maybe try doing content without ur class kills from time to time for variety.

I’m not sure you understood my comment tho....I’m suggesting that if there were no classes at all, but instead those skill lines were available to mix and match it would better address many current and prior player concerns.

This leads to ...new skill lines. Consider your interest in new skill lines only being accessible through a fresh character isn’t as appealing as a new skill available to existing characters.

The game is designed in a way that new fresh characters are often locked out of timed exclusive and seasonal unlocks therefore it’s much more customer friendly and TEs appropriate to offer build on content to existing characters

Aliyavana

themaddaedra wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Stamina morph of imbue weapon is underwhelming compared to magika morph

And what does it have to do with this subject i wonder?

Obviously that the stam morph will see less use, just look at the title of the thread

Jameliel

Heavy attacking to sustain is already annoying and makes NO SENSE, but with the changes, I'll just play even less pve. ZOS logic = using a MAGIC staff costs no magic and in fact returns MAGIC if you use a heavy MAGIC attack. It's incredibly stupid.

Colecovision

Jameliel wrote: »

Heavy attacking to sustain is already annoying and makes NO SENSE, but with the changes, I'll just play even less pve. ZOS logic = using a MAGIC staff costs no magic and in fact returns MAGIC if you use a heavy MAGIC attack. It's incredibly stupid.

Oh come on! Surely you know the real secret to Olympic sprinting is to swing a battle axe at least twice right before the race begins.

Nelson_Rebel

Jameliel wrote: »

Heavy attacking to sustain is already annoying and makes NO SENSE, but with the changes, I'll just play even less pve. ZOS logic = using a MAGIC staff costs no magic and in fact returns MAGIC if you use a heavy MAGIC attack. It's incredibly stupid.

Uhhh


you do realize that light and heavy attacks with Physical weapons ALSO cost NOTHING for light and heavy attacks right?

themaddaedra

Aliyavana wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Stamina morph of imbue weapon is underwhelming compared to magika morph

And what does it have to do with this subject i wonder?

Obviously that the stam morph will see less use, just look at the title of the thread

Just read the rest of the thread.

ToRelax

Imbue Weapon isn't dependent on light attack damage.