How about an integrated item search and listing system while still allowing for guild stores?

Knowledge

There are quite a few players that don't want to join a guild or meet requirements to stay in a guild just to list items for sale. The opponents of this argument do not want any sort of global auction system since they won't be able to exploit players as readily and their profit margin would drop.

I propose a solution that doesn't destroy guild stores. This would be in the form of an integrated item search function similar to a unified auction house but still used the guild stores in the search. You would then be able to purchase anything you wanted from the guild stores. It does devalue "guild store location" but also increases the demand. In addition, I propose that players be allowed to list items on this listing by themselves but would incur a heftier "listing fee". This listing fee would be higher than what a guild store listing fee would be.

The other alternative is to allow other players to list on guild stores for an increased fee through this global marketplace. I do think it would be nicer to just offer them the opportunity to list "as individual" for a slightly higher fee though.

AlnilamE

And how is this different from a unified auction house?

Thogard

I’d be down for this, it seems like a good idea.

Who are you and what have you done with knowledge?

JK

Knowledge

AlnilamE wrote: »

And how is this different from a unified auction house?

Guild stores get listing fee profits from individuals using their store to list items. The guild store can set the listing fee tax to be more competitive (this system would only apply if there was no individual listing option).

The guild store could then pay its members out from the accumulated listing fee. Basically, it would change the dynamics of guild stores because the members could actually be paid for being a part of them.

EDIT: Bid to maintain the store then pay the rest out to the members or whatever the excess was. Or simply accumulate more for the next bid. This would add a competitive nature to the guild stores and certain stores would offer better worker compensation and benefits to keep their members.

AlnilamE

Knowledge wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

And how is this different from a unified auction house?

Guild stores get listing fee profits from individuals using their store to list items. The guild store can set the listing fee tax to be more competitive (this system would only apply if there was no individual listing option).

The guild store could then pay its members out from the accumulated listing fee. Basically, it would change the dynamics of guild stores because the members could actually be paid for being a part of them.

How would they have money to pay their members if they would have to spend it all even for out of the way traders?

It would price out any of the medium to small guilds that regularly get traders to sell their stuff.

Not to mention that considering how ZOS's database seems to be slow, if it had any kind of global search function, you would be looking at a "now searching" screen for half an hour.

VaranisArano

Another day, another suggestion.

If ZOS can't be bothered to add a keyword item search to their Guild Store UI, I'd be very surprised if they chose to update their Guild Stores to allow something like this.

Knowledge

AlnilamE wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

And how is this different from a unified auction house?

Guild stores get listing fee profits from individuals using their store to list items. The guild store can set the listing fee tax to be more competitive (this system would only apply if there was no individual listing option).

The guild store could then pay its members out from the accumulated listing fee. Basically, it would change the dynamics of guild stores because the members could actually be paid for being a part of them.

How would they have money to pay their members if they would have to spend it all even for out of the way traders?

It would price out any of the medium to small guilds that regularly get traders to sell their stuff.

Not to mention that considering how ZOS's database seems to be slow, if it had any kind of global search function, you would be looking at a "now searching" screen for half an hour.

There are already guild stores that pay some gold back to the members at the end of the week.

Knowledge

VaranisArano wrote: »

Another day, another suggestion.

If ZOS can't be bothered to add a keyword item search to their Guild Store UI, I'd be very surprised if they chose to update their Guild Stores to allow something like this.

With the multicore update a lot of things will change.

Azurephoenix999

I'd like this. I personally hate when I'm trying to look for something specific and have to manually trek through every town in the game until I find the thing I'm looking for.

This system would make looking for specific items much easier. This is a plus for both buyers (because it's less time spent searching) and sellers (people who want their item find it faster).

The only significant change I can see is that competitive pricing would become more prominent, which means items would generally cost less. As a buyer, I'd like being able to get stuff for less. As a seller, I'd feel a bit disappointed, but the increased rate at which my items would be getting purchased would probably offset this. That said, I'm speaking from the perspective as someone who only sells occasionally, and so when I do shove things in the guild store, it's mainly to clear up my inventory and make some extra gold in the process (always a win-win). I imagine someone whose main income is via guild stores and who sells stuff there regularly might have a different opinion about this.

Guarlet

Don't see the point of this, really. Honestly just adding a keyword search to guild stores would do a world of good rather than building this... faux-auction house thing.

Knowledge

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

I'd like this. I personally hate when I'm trying to look for something specific and have to manually trek through every town in the game until I find the thing I'm looking for.

This system would make looking for specific items much easier. This is a plus for both buyers (because it's less time spent searching) and sellers (people who want their item find it faster).

The only significant change I can see is that competitive pricing would become more prominent, which means items would generally cost less. As a buyer, I'd like being able to get stuff for less. As a seller, I'd feel a bit disappointed, but the increased rate at which my items would be getting purchased would probably offset this. That said, I'm speaking from the perspective as someone who only sells occasionally, and so when I do shove things in the guild store, it's mainly to clear up my inventory and make some extra gold in the process (always a win-win). I imagine someone whose main income is via guild stores and who sells stuff there regularly might have a different opinion about this.

Thanks for being the example of someone that would benefit from this system.

Beardimus

Need to rebuke the first paragraph. I'm anti auction house (et al) but not because I'm out to exploit players.

Non-AH is better for all, as its less open to manipulation is my view. Plus right now I can hunt around for deals as a buyer if I want, or i can go to a capital pay a bit more but get the stuff easy.

It's insulting to say players with a different view to you are exploiting people.

Genuinely see no need for this suggestion. Join a few good trading guilds and you have a decent search across 3-4 guilds from any bank. You only need to hunt when you need something that's rare.

ESO has a decent, different trading system that rewards effort. Please dont try to break that. It's an enjoyable part of the game to master right now.

Or use the search function to read all the other replies on the other thread about AH (including search function suggestions as all this debate has been had before)

Beardimus

Keyword search (for motifs etc) or other sort functions ill go with. Console get less sort functions anyway than PC.

But central search / central market place etc etc no thanks. Enjoy the rich fullness of the game, join traders and expand

wenchmore420b14_ESO

Knowledge wrote: »

There are quite a few players that don't want to join a guild or meet requirements to stay in a guild just to list items for sale. The opponents of this argument do not want any sort of global auction system since they won't be able to exploit players as readily and their profit margin would drop.

I propose a solution that doesn't destroy guild stores. This would be in the form of an integrated item search function similar to a unified auction house but still used the guild stores in the search. You would then be able to purchase anything you wanted from the guild stores. It does devalue "guild store location" but also increases the demand. In addition, I propose that players be allowed to list items on this listing by themselves but would incur a heftier "listing fee". This listing fee would be higher than what a guild store listing fee would be.

The other alternative is to allow other players to list on guild stores for an increased fee through this global marketplace. I do think it would be nicer to just offer them the opportunity to list "as individual" for a slightly higher fee though.

Knowledge wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

And how is this different from a unified auction house?

Guild stores get listing fee profits from individuals using their store to list items. The guild store can set the listing fee tax to be more competitive (this system would only apply if there was no individual listing option).

The guild store could then pay its members out from the accumulated listing fee. Basically, it would change the dynamics of guild stores because the members could actually be paid for being a part of them.

EDIT: Bid to maintain the store then pay the rest out to the members or whatever the excess was. Or simply accumulate more for the next bid. This would add a competitive nature to the guild stores and certain stores would offer better worker compensation and benefits to keep their members.

This would help kill the gold sink and overflow the economy. Listing fees and such are needed to take gold out of the market.
All that is needed is to add a "Awesome Guild Store" feature to in game UI.

Knowledge wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Another day, another suggestion.

If ZOS can't be bothered to add a keyword item search to their Guild Store UI, I'd be very surprised if they chose to update their Guild Stores to allow something like this.

With the multicore update a lot of things will change.

All the multi core changes are going to effect is FPS and performance and it is only gonna help people with a upper end multi-core processor. It will do nothing for changinging the coding of the game or to completely redesign and completely overhaul the game as most of your posts suggest ZoS do.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Another day, another suggestion.

If ZOS can't be bothered to add a keyword item search to their Guild Store UI, I'd be very surprised if they chose to update their Guild Stores to allow something like this.

Another day, another "Let's change ESO to something else"......

xilfxlegion

Knowledge wrote: »

There are quite a few players that don't want to join a guild or meet requirements to stay in a guild just to list items for sale. The opponents of this argument do not want any sort of global auction system since they won't be able to exploit players as readily and their profit margin would drop.

I propose a solution that doesn't destroy guild stores. This would be in the form of an integrated item search function similar to a unified auction house but still used the guild stores in the search. You would then be able to purchase anything you wanted from the guild stores. It does devalue "guild store location" but also increases the demand. In addition, I propose that players be allowed to list items on this listing by themselves but would incur a heftier "listing fee". This listing fee would be higher than what a guild store listing fee would be.

The other alternative is to allow other players to list on guild stores for an increased fee through this global marketplace. I do think it would be nicer to just offer them the opportunity to list "as individual" for a slightly higher fee though.

incorrect. we dont want a global auction house because it would completely ruin the economy and the richest people could completely manipulate the entire economy. why is this so hard for people to understand ?

sylviermoone

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jedtb16_ESO

a new iteration of the ui that allows for specific item search.... yes.

anything else..... no.

Doctor_Zeuss

We just need a search filter for console(and PC for those that don’t like addons). I can’t imagine anyone being displeased with this addition.

Sparr0w

Bounty boards where players can post stuff they want & able to search all traders in your current area e.g. all 6/7 traders in mournhold at once.