ZOS: Why now, more than ever, should we get a 1h+magicka focus/orb off-hand option.

Nyladreas

This picture says it all. We're going to Summerset. A place full of magicka-wielding Elves, magickal adventures and Psijic Order itself.

How is it that we are still NOT getting a 1 hand weapon + Magicka Focus/Rune/Orb skill-line for our characters? How is it that the promotional character, the AD hero, wields a sword with a green magicka orb in her other hand and can just shoot lightning out of it, while we have to use these dumb looking staves? Not to mention this could bring true hybrids more to life. Just imagine... a perfect combination of Melee Combat + Ranged Spells.

This is something I've ALWAYS WISHED FOR in MMOs and RPGs... Could we make this dream come true in the future ZoS? Could our favourite game get real spellswords* instead of the pseudo-staff-wielding-battle-scrubs?

Pretty please? I don't even care if it's all recycled, slightly changed spells/abilities. Just let me have it!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: Spelling and structure.
* thanks for correcting me, idk how that slipped in there. @Aisle9

Nemesis7884

Cause they need some fantastic ideas remaining for the next update!

Nyladreas

Meh

Beardimus

Look at the Morrowind loading screen my friend. The guy is doing the same thing.

We got excited then about the same thing and it went away.

Additionally they are utterly killing off MagDW with this patch. They been hammering nails Into its coffin back to the changes with Trapping Webs but finally they killing off Burst and giving 5:5:2 to all.

It seems the prefer the image of wizards with wands over battlemages. They Harry Potter fans over Gandalf. Sad times

The glimmer of hope I dared have was these datamined Frost/Fire/Shock gauntlets. But I know deep down they are just cosmetics to tease the likes of us.

Gutted.com @Nyladreas

Aliyavana

spellswords are a staple of the elder scrolls series, this should be a thing

ForsakenSin

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Cause they need some fantastic ideas remaining for us to spend money for the next update Chapter!

There fixed it for you

TempPlayer

Ever heard of Peter Molyneux. Be glad that they didn't exaggerate anything and made you overhyped.
They had delivery feature they promised. Promotional art is made to look cool.

Medakon

We need a magica weapon that fits with shields, and scale from spell damage. Shaman style !

Vapirko

TempPlayer wrote: »

Ever heard of Peter Molyneux. Be glad that they didn't exaggerate anything and made you overhyped.
They had delivery feature they promised. Promotional art is made to look cool.

Haha, damn that brings back memories lol. All the Fable hype. "You can go anywhere and do anything" = you can follow the path and sort of change peoples minds about you but who really gives a ***.

Beardimus

There's a few threads about this topic or similar. Who do we tag @ZOS_GinaBruno give us some hope about non dual wand setups

What are these gauntlets...?

Zinaroth

Nyladreas wrote: »

Not to mention this could bring true hybrids more to life.

As long as the underlying systems of the game do not reward building a hybrid character they can bring in all the new weapon trees they want and it will not change a thing unless the weapon tree comes with inherent mechanics that reward spreading out magicka/stamina/weapon damage/spell damage.

That being said I am all for new weapons, and I would also love for hybrids to be more of a thing in this game.

Nyladreas

Zinaroth wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Not to mention this could bring true hybrids more to life.

As long as the underlying systems of the game do not reward building a hybrid character they can bring in all the new weapon trees they want and it will not change a thing unless the weapon tree comes with inherent mechanics that reward spreading out magicka/stamina/weapon damage/spell damage.

That being said I am all for new weapons, and I would also love for hybrids to be more of a thing in this game.

I would keep the focus of the skill line purely magickal tbh. Let sets or perhaps passives build around the hybrids.

reprosal

Beardimus wrote: »

Look at the Morrowind loading screen my friend. The guy is doing the same thing.

We got excited then about the same thing and it went away.

Additionally they are utterly killing off MagDW with this patch. They been hammering nails Into its coffin back to the changes with Trapping Webs but finally they killing off Burst and giving 5:5:2 to all.

It seems the prefer the image of wizards with wands over battlemages. They Harry Potter fans over Gandalf. Sad times

The glimmer of hope I dared have was these datamined Frost/Fire/Shock gauntlets. But I know deep down they are just cosmetics to tease the likes of us.

Gutted.com @Nyladreas

How exactly are they killing MagDW? PvP only?

Yzalirk

It would be nice to see new weapon types. I could see the one-hand and spell being useful for hybrid builds.

Bound weapons would also be a really nice alternative for Magicka users who hate staves. Hell, even dual casting would be awesome.

Twenty0zTsunami

Aliyavana wrote: »

spellswords are a staple of the elder scrolls series, this should be a thing

i mean, you can weild swords and cast spells. they kind of are a thing.

Nyladreas

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

spellswords are a staple of the elder scrolls series, this should be a thing

i mean, you can weild swords and cast spells. they kind of are a thing.

This kind of isn't the same thing as a real spellsword. Everyone at any time in elder scrolls series can shoot magic out of their hands and hold a sword. Spellswords however, put a whole lot more focus into both, effectively weaving melee combat and use of magicka together. Without being limited by anything

We can only effectively Dual Wield or 1 Hand + Shield in ESO. There is no option to just have 1 sword and do well with it. You'll break everything if u do that and just create trouble for yourself.

If you still don't get it think harder, over and over.

Beardimus

reprosal wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Look at the Morrowind loading screen my friend. The guy is doing the same thing.

We got excited then about the same thing and it went away.

Additionally they are utterly killing off MagDW with this patch. They been hammering nails Into its coffin back to the changes with Trapping Webs but finally they killing off Burst and giving 5:5:2 to all.

It seems the prefer the image of wizards with wands over battlemages. They Harry Potter fans over Gandalf. Sad times

The glimmer of hope I dared have was these datamined Frost/Fire/Shock gauntlets. But I know deep down they are just cosmetics to tease the likes of us.

Gutted.com @Nyladreas

How exactly are they killing MagDW? PvP only?

Hi @reprosal since OneTamriel its been nerfed directly and indirectly multiple times, this time 5:5:2 (about the only benefit left) is getting given to all staves it means we are losing out on extra passive damage quite badly. I e. The disadvantage to running it is growing. With the empower change we are losing burst.

Frag is already pittiful without empower its not going to end anyone.

So apart from niche builds or stubborn folks like myself MagDW is gunna die. I mean most already would say it was dead several patches back.

NewBlacksmurf

Here’s why:

-They made the game with weapon lines which force unique situations.

This can be dual wield, or sword and shield so they’d either have to make a new skill line or just wait until they expand those.

Aisle9

Nyladreas wrote: »

This picture says it all. We're going to Summerset. A place full of magicka-wielding Elves, magickal adventures and Psijic Order itself.

How is it that we are still NOT getting a 1 hand weapon + Magicka Focus/Rune/Orb skill-line for our characters? How is it that the promotional character, the AD hero, wields a sword with a green magicka orb in her other hand and can just shoot lightning out of it, while we have to use these dumb looking staves? Not to mention this could bring true hybrids more to life. Just imagine... a perfect combination of Melee Combat + Ranged Spells.

This is something I've ALWAYS WISHED FOR in MMOs and RPGs... Could we make this dream come true in the future ZoS? Could our favourite game get real battlemages instead of the pseudo-staff-wielding-battle-scrubs?

Pretty please? I don't even care if it's all recycled, slightly changed spells/abilities. Just let me have it!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: Spelling and structure.

*Spellsword (for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Spellsword).

Technically we already have battlemages (heavy armor + defensive spells).

Other than that, I agree.

#SpellswordArmy
#MakeSpellswordsGreatAgain

Rex-Umbra

+1 as a melee magicka user i hate my light and heavy attacks hitting for 1k dmg especially and returning a stat i really don't need.

Raraaku

Zinaroth wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Not to mention this could bring true hybrids more to life.

As long as the underlying systems of the game do not reward building a hybrid character they can bring in all the new weapon trees they want and it will not change a thing unless the weapon tree comes with inherent mechanics that reward spreading out magicka/stamina/weapon damage/spell damage.

That being said I am all for new weapons, and I would also love for hybrids to be more of a thing in this game.

^ This. As cool as it would be, the way current combat scales, hybrids (outside of tanks) will not have much benefit. You would need to spread your attributes between two stat pools instead of one, effectively reducing your damage output and resource pools. If they could find a way to fix this, then ESO would, in my opinion, reach a renaissance in which new meta could include the entire spectrum from all stam, most stam/some magicka, half&half, most magicka/some stam, and all magicka. I've always really wanted to do a Witch hunter's build with sorcerer but I can't simply because I haven't found a good way to maximize Sorcerer's core skills while having enough stam/high enough weapon damage to use a bow on at least one bar.

The current meta is seemingly only going to be reinforced with the upcoming changes to light/heavy attacks damage scaling coming with Summerset.

Anotherone773

It would be nice to DW on magicka users. I think ES is the only game ive played that you cant. Usually its like a wand and spellbook/totem. It would be nice to have real options though.

Serjustin19

I love my "dumb" looking staves.

Violynne

Nyladreas wrote: »

wields a sword with a green magicka orb in her other hand

Aka, the hybrid

Also known as Vio'lynne Two-Moons, my second alt, who comes out of retirement every time the game changes to see if she's viable, only to see her weapon strength is enough to inflict paper cuts and her spell damage can only singe hair.

Then she whimpers, and quietly returns to Khennarthi's Roost hoping the future will bring bright moons.

Hybrids are like the Dwemer: we have proof they exist, but aren't found in the game.

LittlePinkDot

Meh stamina is the best

Zordrage

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

+1 as a melee magicka user i hate my light and heavy attacks hitting for 1k dmg especially and returning a stat i really don't need.

welcome in Eso.....

All gone to hell since they removed the Soft and hard caps.....

Soft and hard caps wasnt the best idea but made Hybrids actually somewhat viable....

Nowdays tough its either go Full magica or Full stamina with weapons that are tied to these stats or go *** yourself.....

Idinuse

Nyladreas wrote: »

This picture says it all. We're going to Summerset. A place full of magicka-wielding Elves, magickal adventures and Psijic Order itself.

How is it that we are still NOT getting a 1 hand weapon + Magicka Focus/Rune/Orb skill-line for our characters? How is it that the promotional character, the AD hero, wields a sword with a green magicka orb in her other hand and can just shoot lightning out of it, while we have to use these dumb looking staves? Not to mention this could bring true hybrids more to life. Just imagine... a perfect combination of Melee Combat + Ranged Spells.

This is something I've ALWAYS WISHED FOR in MMOs and RPGs... Could we make this dream come true in the future ZoS? Could our favourite game get real battlemages instead of the pseudo-staff-wielding-battle-scrubs?

Pretty please? I don't even care if it's all recycled, slightly changed spells/abilities. Just let me have it!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: Spelling and structure.

Nyladreas

Zordrage wrote: »

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

+1 as a melee magicka user i hate my light and heavy attacks hitting for 1k dmg especially and returning a stat i really don't need.

welcome in Eso.....

All gone to hell since they removed the Soft and hard caps.....

Soft and hard caps wasnt the best idea but made Hybrids actually somewhat viable....

Nowdays tough its either go Full magica or Full stamina with weapons that are tied to these stats or go *** yourself.....

Stat based damage shouldn't be a thing at all. I'd much rather have this on gear or some form of secondary enchantment.

Or a system where both magicka and stamina calculate damage together, rather than separately.

Sting864

Aliyavana wrote: »

spellswords are a staple of the elder scrolls series, this should be a thing

I don't think magic exists, like ROUS's...

Nyladreas

Sting864 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

spellswords are a staple of the elder scrolls series, this should be a thing

I don't think magic exists, like ROUS's...

Uhhh what

twistedmonk

when they decided on resources being split between stamina skills and magicka skills - they pretty much doomed their game design from day one.

the whole resource thing is just whack and they spent last 4 years patching a broken system