Dying alot....doing something wrong or have mobs just gotten harder?

Joxer61

Ok, so playing my lvl 50 stamDK and just questing/dicking off in the "new" area or Morrowwind I am getting my butt handed to me! Cant seem to put a finger on what I am doing wrong other than junk hits harder and I cant just run in and pew-pew? Pull with bow and lay down hail at my feet but always seems like something is getting in and my health just drops, quick. Is this just a learning curve as I have been gone 3 + yrs?

Morgul667

Game is easier if you have the right sets on you, due to scaling.

It is harder if you dont, for the same reason.

Way to go and solve your problem : is craft to a set at your level or collect a set from quests. This will change things big time

Joxer61

Morgul667 wrote: »

Game is easier if you have the right sets on you, due to scaling.

It is harder if you dont, for the same reason.

Way to go and solve your problem : is craft to a set at your level or collect a set from quests. This will change things big time

He is in full Hundings with agi acces...is this not viable gear anymore? Using Xynode's build as well as help.

Morgul667

Are the sets you use at your level or lower level ? This will impact your DPS and stats big time.

Did you put your attributes and Champion points ? They might have been reset since 3 years ago.

You should not struggle with hunding + agility in overlands, you really shouldnt

Use your back bar dots and switch to main bar where you have your "spammable" skills

Joxer61

Morgul667 wrote: »

Are the sets you use at your level or lower level ? This will impact your DPS and stats big time.

Did you put your attributes and Champion points ? They might have been reset since 3 years ago.

You should not struggle with hunding + agility in overlands, you really shouldnt

Use your back bar dots and switch to main bar where you have your "spammable" skills

Yea, all reset and proper lvls per Xynode's build, and ALcast too, kinda looking at both and using the skills they suggest. What the builds DONT tell you is playstyle as it seem to be mostly targeted at trials and such, not just open world pve. I'm thinking its a learn to play (get gud) type of thing since I have been gone for a bit and am used to GW2 style of combat. But thanks heaps!!! Just seeing my health drop so quick is crazy....lol!

FrancisCrawford

I hope you haven't forgotten to use food.

What are you using for self-heals?

Are you using the self-healing morphs on the first two DW skills or the max damage ones?

Similarly, are you using Bombard or Acid Spray?

VaranisArano

Make sure your gear is close to your level. That's usually the problem when I'm leveling and start feeling very squishy. Its a sign I need to get new armor.

Kwivur

Damn.. They keep getting worse every year. lol

Joxer61

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

I hope you haven't forgotten to use food.

What are you using for self-heals?

Are you using the self-healing morphs on the first two DW skills or the max damage ones?

Similarly, are you using Bombard or Acid Spray?

Using the bulds on the sites, which I think is designed more for trials and groups, i.e. heals, as I only have Bloodcraze on bar and am at 1/4 health by the time I get to use it. ranged mobs are getting me, reckon I need to get better at getting out of their aoe's? It'll get better I hope!

Mush55

Remember to block and dodge, just come back after a year away and it's funny the little things you forget and how rusty you are wiih your rotation.

votan73

3+ years? ok, how much champion points do you have at all and which cp level is your armor?

If you fight against cp160 trolls without cp armor it is not pew-pew

Asardes

Actually getting the builds off various sites and trying to apply them to a low level character, running mostly solo, is one of the worst ideas I can think of. Those builds are meant for group play, where you get healed, get full support from the group, and the tank takes care of the biggies. So they don't have in build heals or sustain. Also Stamina DK heals are utter crap, you have to go to Cyrodiil and unlock vigor to make it viable. Until then I'd actually recommend switching to 2H for buffs, mitigation and heals. Also make sure your gear is set gear, not just random trash, and it's close to your level.

Yes, 5 Hunding 3/4 NMG and 3 Agiligy robust is a good starter combo. Just be sure you wear 5 medium for the passives, and the other 2 pieces either heavy, either 1 heavy 1 light, all divines, sharpened weapons (since you're missing the CP to spec into penetration) and Warrior mundus for more damage & healing. I usually do heavy chest, light waist and the rest medium. Also mind that any gear you get before you reach CP160 will become obsolete soon as you gain CP, so don't bother upgrading it past green, maybe blue. That way you won't feel bad when you trash it. Also use consumables. Using blue health+stamina food is rather tricky if you aren't yet there since there are multiple levels for that. There are however some consumables that will scale to you regardless of level & CP, such as Orzorga's Triple Trifle Pockets and Dubious Camoran Throne that also give you stamina recovery. Have someone craft those for you or search them on guild traders.

Skill setup:
Front bar (2H): Reverse Slice | Brawler | Venomous Claw | Flames of Oblivion | Rally || Flawless Dawnbreaker
Back bar (Bow): Poison Injection | Endless Hail | Rearming Trap | Noxious Breath | Molten Armaments || Corrosive Armor

Rotation:
Buff with Rally, bar swap, cast Molten Armaments to buff your heavy attaks
Noxious Breath -> LA -> Rearming Trap -> Endless Hail -> LA -> Poison Injection -> bar swap -> HA-> Brawler -> HA -> Venomous Claw -> HA -> Flames of Oblivion -> Bar swap, repeat, recast Rally and Molten Armaments every 2nd rotation. When mobs go low use HA->Reverse Slice to finish them off. When you are in a good position use Flawless Dawnbreaker ultimate, if you are under pressure use Corrosive Armor.

Skill description:
HA = heavy attack, press the attack button and half way through the animation press the skill button, gives you back stamina
LA = light attack, press skill button, then as soon as your character's hand starts to move back, press attack button
Rally: gives you Major Brutality (+20% weapon damage) and heals you when it expires or you recast it
Molten Armaments: buffs your heavy attack damage by 40% and gives you Major Sorcery (+20% spell damage)
Brawler: nice AoE, also gives you a shield, the more enemies hit, the bigger the shield
Reverse Slice: is an execute, deals more damage to low health enemies and also deals AoE damage to the rest
Flames of Oblivion: gives you Major Savagery (+10% weapon critical) and Major Prophecy (+10 spell critical), also deals damage based on your highest stat
Noxious Breath: puts Major Fracture (-5280 physical resistance) debuff on enemies, and a DoT
Rearming Trap: catches enemies, holds them in one place and gives you Minor Force (+10% to critical damage done)
Endless Hail: your strongest AoE skill, rains arrows on the enemies and deals a lot of damage over time
Poison Injection: deals damage over time, the lower the health of the enemy, the higher the damage, put it on the strongest enemy
Venomous Claw: deals a lot of damage over time, increases with duration, put it on the strongest enemy
Flawless Dawnbreaker: nice AoE damage, also increases your weapon damage while slotted
Corrosive Armor: makes you basically invulnerable to damage for a few seconds, and makes you ignore enemy resistances

Make sure to take all Medium Armor, class skill lines, 2H and bow & Fighters Guild passives.

See more detailed descriptions here:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Fighters+Guild+Skills
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Dragonknight+Skills
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Two-Handed+Skills
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Bow+Skills
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Medium+Armor+Skills

Joxer61

votan73 wrote: »

3+ years? ok, how much champion points do you have at all and which cp level is your armor?

If you fight against cp160 trolls without cp armor it is not pew-pew

286 pts and armor is 160? But yea, me thinks I am trying to use trial builds solo and its a no no.

Vapirko

Use vigor. There’s really no overland or delve mobs that should be able to kill you if you have vigor going.

Joxer61

Asardes wrote: »

Actually getting the builds off various sites and trying to apply them to a low level character, running mostly solo, is one of the worst ideas I can think of. Those builds are meant for group play, where you get healed, get full support from the group, and the tank takes care of the biggies. So they don't have in build heals or sustain. Also Stamina DK heals are utter crap, you have to go to Cyrodiil and unlock vigor to make it viable. Until then I'd actually recommend switching to 2H for buffs, mitigation and heals. Also make sure your gear is set gear, not just random trash, and it's close to your level.

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That's awesome! Thanks so much for that...I totally forgot about Rally...used it a lot back way before. ANd thanks for the different bar setup. Finding builds is good and all but not great for one coming back to the game after so long. Need to baby step it, not rush into it. Like I mentioned in another post, GW2 has insta 80 where you don't even have to level your toon, just pop and go, and it can make learning a class easier for some me thinks. ESO is old school in that sense and I need to just ease back into this. Thanks again all for all the tips! Hopefully now I wont go squish as easy!

Asardes

Joxer61 wrote: »

votan73 wrote: »

3+ years? ok, how much champion points do you have at all and which cp level is your armor?

If you fight against cp160 trolls without cp armor it is not pew-pew

286 pts and armor is 160? But yea, me thinks I am trying to use trial builds solo and its a no no.

You mentioned you were at 50 and seeing you get beaten by overland mobs I assumed this is a new character and you just got to 50, and thus you have fewer than 160 CP; CP10-160 is actually the part where your char is the weakest so that would have been understandable. Stat bonuses from CP actually cap at CP300 so in that regard you're almost capped. If you are already above CP160 you can use the maximum tier gear. In that case my recommendations remain pretty much the same, less the "not upgrade stuff" part. You can still use the consumables I recommended since they are quite good even at CP160+. As for gear, if you can't reliably defeat overland mobs I can't really recommend you joining group dungeons, to farm gear such as monster sets since you are clearly not ready for it.

If you want to go 2W you must depend on weapon power potions for Major Brutality & Savagery, and those are rather expensive ~100 gold each, for 45 seconds of buffs (if you leveled Alchemy and have 3/3 in Medicinal Use passive). Definitely not worth using those up for overland trash mobs. If you still want to use that you can take the other morph, Igneous Weapons, that gives you also Major Brutality and slot Flames of Oblivion on front bar for Major Savagery. But you'll be gimping your DPS quite a lot since HA make up quite a bit of it. Also you'll lack mitigation against direct damage - Deadly Cloak only mitigates against AoE - and you'll have to heal from Vigor. I've found the 2W healing morphs quite underwhelming.

Joxer61

@Asardes thanks for that and yea, I agree, not ready for runs of any sort me thinks. I think its a "learn to play" thing for me all over as this game is miles apart from GW2 as far as combat goes! I found some levelling build on Dotzgaming site so will take what you have suggested and see what builds they have as well. Again, I think I am just rushing things wanting to be ready to go straight out the gate and much has changed so need to take it all in. Cheers!

Let me ask this right quick....Stam or Mag for my DK? Which do you think would be best for someone trying to get back into the game? That could be part of my problem as well, playing a class that I am not really familiar with? I was a sorry mix before because back then had no clue as to what worked and what didn't and then left game.....

Asardes

The option to go either stamina or magicka depends on the race you've picked, as some races have passives useful for stamina builds (maximum stamina, stamina recovery, physical damage etc.) while others have passives more suited for magicka builds (maximum magicka, magicka recovery or cost reduction, elemental damage etc.). So go where you get the most advantages for. Also note that resetting skills and passives is pretty cheap and can be done in any of the alliance capitals or Vivec. http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Racial+Skills

Joxer61

Asardes wrote: »

The option to go either stamina or magicka depends on the race you've picked, as some races have passives useful for stamina builds (maximum stamina, stamina recovery, physical damage etc.) while others have passives more suited for magicka builds (maximum magicka, magicka recovery or cost reduction, elemental damage etc.). So go where you get the most advantages for. Also note that resetting skills and passives is pretty cheap and can be done in any of the alliance capitals or Vivec. http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Racial+Skills

Yea, try to stick with the "best" passives for the class and don't have an issue with respec'ing...once or twice. Was just thinking I may lean towards a more ranged type of class but then again magDK is melee, so that's a moot point, lol. Hopefully I can sort it before I get frustrated and leave as I really am keen to give ESO another go...so over all the pretty people on GW2 and raids there are such a joke its kinda sad.

(failed to mention I have a Sorc sitting at the same level 50...maybe park DK for now and give Sorc a go?)

Asardes

Joxer61 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

The option to go either stamina or magicka depends on the race you've picked, as some races have passives useful for stamina builds (maximum stamina, stamina recovery, physical damage etc.) while others have passives more suited for magicka builds (maximum magicka, magicka recovery or cost reduction, elemental damage etc.). So go where you get the most advantages for. Also note that resetting skills and passives is pretty cheap and can be done in any of the alliance capitals or Vivec. http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Racial+Skills

Yea, try to stick with the "best" passives for the class and don't have an issue with respec'ing...once or twice. Was just thinking I may lean towards a more ranged type of class but then again magDK is melee, so that's a moot point, lol. Hopefully I can sort it before I get frustrated and leave as I really am keen to give ESO another go...so over all the pretty people on GW2 and raids there are such a joke its kinda sad.

You can certainly go ranged on a Magicka DK, but the damage will be lower. You can also go Bow/Bow on a stamina DK but you need pretty specialized gear to do good damage. I don't know anything about GW, so I can't compare with it, but you're better off just building your ESO knowledge from scratch since trying to find parallels will lead you nowhere. There's actually a bunch of very angry people that joined and then started to rage because this ain't Skyrim

Joxer61

Asardes wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

The option to go either stamina or magicka depends on the race you've picked, as some races have passives useful for stamina builds (maximum stamina, stamina recovery, physical damage etc.) while others have passives more suited for magicka builds (maximum magicka, magicka recovery or cost reduction, elemental damage etc.). So go where you get the most advantages for. Also note that resetting skills and passives is pretty cheap and can be done in any of the alliance capitals or Vivec. http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Racial+Skills

Yea, try to stick with the "best" passives for the class and don't have an issue with respec'ing...once or twice. Was just thinking I may lean towards a more ranged type of class but then again magDK is melee, so that's a moot point, lol. Hopefully I can sort it before I get frustrated and leave as I really am keen to give ESO another go...so over all the pretty people on GW2 and raids there are such a joke its kinda sad.

You can certainly go ranged on a Magicka DK, but the damage will be lower. You can also go Bow/Bow on a stamina DK but you need pretty specialized gear to do good damage. I don't know anything about GW, so I can't compare with it, but you're better off just building your ESO knowledge from scratch since trying to find parallels will lead you nowhere. There's actually a bunch of very angry people that joined and then started to rage because this ain't Skyrim

Me thinks you are right, I will start fresh and try and grasp what has changed and all! Maybe once it becomes more familiar I can then crack out one of those 50's? Question....do my current CP of 286 stay with me, i.e. account wide or do I need to level those as well?

Asardes

Joxer61 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

The option to go either stamina or magicka depends on the race you've picked, as some races have passives useful for stamina builds (maximum stamina, stamina recovery, physical damage etc.) while others have passives more suited for magicka builds (maximum magicka, magicka recovery or cost reduction, elemental damage etc.). So go where you get the most advantages for. Also note that resetting skills and passives is pretty cheap and can be done in any of the alliance capitals or Vivec. http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Racial+Skills

Yea, try to stick with the "best" passives for the class and don't have an issue with respec'ing...once or twice. Was just thinking I may lean towards a more ranged type of class but then again magDK is melee, so that's a moot point, lol. Hopefully I can sort it before I get frustrated and leave as I really am keen to give ESO another go...so over all the pretty people on GW2 and raids there are such a joke its kinda sad.

You can certainly go ranged on a Magicka DK, but the damage will be lower. You can also go Bow/Bow on a stamina DK but you need pretty specialized gear to do good damage. I don't know anything about GW, so I can't compare with it, but you're better off just building your ESO knowledge from scratch since trying to find parallels will lead you nowhere. There's actually a bunch of very angry people that joined and then started to rage because this ain't Skyrim

Me thinks you are right, I will start fresh and try and grasp what has changed and all! Maybe once it becomes more familiar I can then crack out one of those 50's? Question....do my current CP of 286 stay with me, i.e. account wide or do I need to level those as well?

CP is account wide, and you can spend them right after you create a character, even under 50. And you don't need to actually start a fresh character, just learn to play the current one. Or do start a new one but don't delete the current one and return to it later when you've made some sense of the game, as having multiple chars is beneficial. I'm finding it hard to believe someone who's at almost CP300 can't kill overland trash mobs. I mean, those have melt and barely do any damage when I go about with my characters, even when they're fresh out of the tutorial, or later, when they're at 50 and have some sort of decent gear but no passives (those are my crafter/bank chars). You can spend up to 720 CP, will be increased to 750 soon, but the first 300 give you something like ~90% of the benefit, because the way they are weighed. For example by spending about 35/100 CP in a star you get 2/3 of the maximum bonus, with 55 you're at 4/5 and so on. So you damage and mitigation should be much better where you are.

Joxer61

Asardes wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

The option to go either stamina or magicka depends on the race you've picked, as some races have passives useful for stamina builds (maximum stamina, stamina recovery, physical damage etc.) while others have passives more suited for magicka builds (maximum magicka, magicka recovery or cost reduction, elemental damage etc.). So go where you get the most advantages for. Also note that resetting skills and passives is pretty cheap and can be done in any of the alliance capitals or Vivec. http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Racial+Skills

Yea, try to stick with the "best" passives for the class and don't have an issue with respec'ing...once or twice. Was just thinking I may lean towards a more ranged type of class but then again magDK is melee, so that's a moot point, lol. Hopefully I can sort it before I get frustrated and leave as I really am keen to give ESO another go...so over all the pretty people on GW2 and raids there are such a joke its kinda sad.

You can certainly go ranged on a Magicka DK, but the damage will be lower. You can also go Bow/Bow on a stamina DK but you need pretty specialized gear to do good damage. I don't know anything about GW, so I can't compare with it, but you're better off just building your ESO knowledge from scratch since trying to find parallels will lead you nowhere. There's actually a bunch of very angry people that joined and then started to rage because this ain't Skyrim

Me thinks you are right, I will start fresh and try and grasp what has changed and all! Maybe once it becomes more familiar I can then crack out one of those 50's? Question....do my current CP of 286 stay with me, i.e. account wide or do I need to level those as well?

I'm finding it hard to believe someone who's at almost CP300 can't kill overland trash mobs.

Yup, that's the ticket right there and I think its all due to playstyle. I am coming from a game where you basically ran in and went nuts with skills and things died, no need to dodge and all that. ESO from what I am now remembering is a more dynamic game where you need to dodge the bad, and also the bar swaps are getting me (56 yr old fingers aren't the most agile ,lol) and I again am used to a lot of clicking on skills and such. SO yea, all in all I need to step back, not rush it and re=learn the basics of the game before I go and try and take on everything like a fool. Thank heaps for all the input!!! I shall persevere!!

jkolb2030

StamDKs also have about the least amount of self healing skills outside of Rally, Blood Craze, and vigor... and really Vigor out performs the other 2 substantially and should be the only heal you need in overland. (The healing morph from your claw will be very low and hardly worth slotting as the heal is scaled with the damage it does, which scales off your magic pool).

If you do not have Vigor unlocked (PvP skill line), i would run rally and a 2h until you get used to the game again.. Yes, taking time off will make you extremely rust - especially on a stamdk, which is pretty much a single target DPS toon. Just have to re-tune your muscle memory with the game.

GreenhaloX

Yeah, I think something has been added to the arsenal of the adds, mobs and bosses with the latest hot patch. I have been finding my toons' hp getting low to right almost dying more lately. Something's up. I think adds' DoTs are throwing out more juice. There have been other subtle changes I have noticed. For one, the Nature Bounty boss pit.. before you can proc each of the add to fight one on one, but recently, you proc one and the whole gang comes after you. The actual boss now can simultaneously fire off those 4-directional red circles and his wide-range area arrow spray thing at the same time; before those were separate attacks. I used to solo that all the time previously, but since, it is much harder. Well, given so many are boasting/claiming overland contents to be easy, I can see the dev sneaking in some things to up the adds, mobs and bosses and whatever other PvE contents.