Bgs scoring favors classes with executes

usmguy1234

Title really says it all. Took my mdk to bgs and have been having a lot of fun. It just stinks that I always get middle of the group rank or lower yet I average 10+ assists every bg. One game I had 23+ assists yet only 5 kills. Zos please fix this.

Beardimus

It's allllll about Dem kills. I can bring a PvE build in with loads of AOE and get similar stats. Assists dont help the team win tho its about burst and finishing then off.

Only death match has the kill goal...

usmguy1234

Beardimus wrote: »

It's allllll about Dem kills. I can bring a PvE build in with loads of AOE and get similar stats. Assists dont help the team win tho its about burst and finishing then off.

Only death match has the kill goal...

I still stick to the point that it's not exactly right to do 90% of the damage to get robbed by sorc or 2h spamming execute.

CatchMeTrolling

You mean executes favors who gets the kill rather than score? For example I played a game yesterday, both teams had 2 sorcs, we didn't have any. I went 10-4-26 with 800k damage and got the top score still which was 4972.

Top Sorc on the green team 3804 and the top sorc on purple 2422. Both teams still took the L.

bardx86

Well BG's favor Stam tank classes in general. It's not easy wearing a dress in BG's!

usmguy1234

bardx86 wrote: »

Well BG's favor Stam tank classes in general. It's not easy wearing a dress in BG's!

I know. Sometimes I dream of using two skills to kill everything but I get bored easily.

Thogard

usmguy1234 wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

Well BG's favor Stam tank classes in general. It's not easy wearing a dress in BG's!

I know. Sometimes I dream of using two skills to kill everything but I get bored easily.

"Group with a sorc!" they said

"You'll get plenty of kills!" they said



f(*&ing assists.

Deep_01

Don't killing blow and assist have same no of points awarded??

Thogard

Deep_01 wrote: »

Don't killing blow and assist have same no of points awarded??

Not to my ego, they don't.

Kartalin

Deep_01 wrote: »

Don't killing blow and assist have same no of points awarded??

Only in deathmatches.

Beardimus

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

It's allllll about Dem kills. I can bring a PvE build in with loads of AOE and get similar stats. Assists dont help the team win tho its about burst and finishing then off.

Only death match has the kill goal...

I still stick to the point that it's not exactly right to do 90% of the damage to get robbed by sorc or 2h spamming execute.

'robbed' by a team mate that's helping you win? Or your score more important than team?

I do hear your point. Tho Templars have the mother of all executes no?

Kel

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Title really says it all. Took my mdk to bgs and have been having a lot of fun. It just stinks that I always get middle of the group rank or lower yet I average 10+ assists every bg. One game I had 23+ assists yet only 5 kills. Zos please fix this.

BG scoring favors classes that play the match objective, you mean...
Only one mode (weirdly) gives you rank points based on kills, and that's deathmatch. And I'd say you only get deathmatch 2 out of 10 queues.
If you're worried about being "middle of the pack" in score, stop playing deathmatch in every mode. Carry the ball....get some flags...run a few relics. You are scoring low in these matches because killing is the secondary objective. Yes, it looks good to see 18 kills 2 deaths and 13 assists, but it means nothing outside of deathmatch. Your score has nothing to do with kills.

Kel

Thogard wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

Well BG's favor Stam tank classes in general. It's not easy wearing a dress in BG's!

I know. Sometimes I dream of using two skills to kill everything but I get bored easily.

"Group with a sorc!" they said

"You'll get plenty of kills!" they said



f(*&ing assists.

See this? Looks nice, but he's third on his team in score and his team lost...
You want a higher score? Play the match objective.
But don't worry. Summerset will let you queue for any match type, then you can complain about kills...

*Edit for spelling*

usmguy1234

jabrone77 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Title really says it all. Took my mdk to bgs and have been having a lot of fun. It just stinks that I always get middle of the group rank or lower yet I average 10+ assists every bg. One game I had 23+ assists yet only 5 kills. Zos please fix this.

BG scoring favors classes that play the match objective, you mean...
Only one mode (weirdly) gives you rank points based on kills, and that's deathmatch. And I'd say you only get deathmatch 2 out of 10 queues.
If you're worried about being "middle of the pack" in score, stop playing deathmatch in every mode. Carry the ball....get some flags...run a few relics. You are scoring low in these matches because killing is the secondary objective. Yes, it looks good to see 18 kills 2 deaths and 13 assists, but it means nothing outside of deathmatch. Your score has nothing to do with kills.

And sometimes objectively means killing stuff fast whether that means clearing a flag or protecting a relic runner or dropping the sod with the chaos ball.

usmguy1234

Beardimus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

It's allllll about Dem kills. I can bring a PvE build in with loads of AOE and get similar stats. Assists dont help the team win tho its about burst and finishing then off.

Only death match has the kill goal...

I still stick to the point that it's not exactly right to do 90% of the damage to get robbed by sorc or 2h spamming execute.

'robbed' by a team mate that's helping you win? Or your score more important than team?

I do hear your point. Tho Templars have the mother of all executes no?

As a solo person I only care if the team seems to care. Most of the time I'm stuck with low cp teammates that just want to snipe and cloak things to death.

Kel

usmguy1234 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Title really says it all. Took my mdk to bgs and have been having a lot of fun. It just stinks that I always get middle of the group rank or lower yet I average 10+ assists every bg. One game I had 23+ assists yet only 5 kills. Zos please fix this.

BG scoring favors classes that play the match objective, you mean...
Only one mode (weirdly) gives you rank points based on kills, and that's deathmatch. And I'd say you only get deathmatch 2 out of 10 queues.
If you're worried about being "middle of the pack" in score, stop playing deathmatch in every mode. Carry the ball....get some flags...run a few relics. You are scoring low in these matches because killing is the secondary objective. Yes, it looks good to see 18 kills 2 deaths and 13 assists, but it means nothing outside of deathmatch. Your score has nothing to do with kills.

And sometimes objectively means killing stuff fast whether that means clearing a flag or protecting a relic runner or dropping the sod with the chaos ball.

The question (or statement) was about the low score in battlegrounds in relation to kills.
I never said killing wasn't an objective, I said it was the secondary objective in most battlegrounds.
Not sure what point you are trying to make, but we are saying the same thing. You just don't get a score for that, and you were wondering why your scores were low. Just killing stuff isn't going to get you a higher score in all but one match. See in the screen shot how the guy with zero kills scored higher than the guy with 43 kills?
That's battleground scoring in ESO. You want your score higher, play the objective once in awhile.

usmguy1234

jabrone77 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Title really says it all. Took my mdk to bgs and have been having a lot of fun. It just stinks that I always get middle of the group rank or lower yet I average 10+ assists every bg. One game I had 23+ assists yet only 5 kills. Zos please fix this.

BG scoring favors classes that play the match objective, you mean...
Only one mode (weirdly) gives you rank points based on kills, and that's deathmatch. And I'd say you only get deathmatch 2 out of 10 queues.
If you're worried about being "middle of the pack" in score, stop playing deathmatch in every mode. Carry the ball....get some flags...run a few relics. You are scoring low in these matches because killing is the secondary objective. Yes, it looks good to see 18 kills 2 deaths and 13 assists, but it means nothing outside of deathmatch. Your score has nothing to do with kills.

And sometimes objectively means killing stuff fast whether that means clearing a flag or protecting a relic runner or dropping the sod with the chaos ball.

The question (or statement) was about the low score in battlegrounds in relation to kills.
I never said killing wasn't an objective, I said it was the secondary objective in most battlegrounds.
Not sure what point you are trying to make, but we are saying the same thing. You just don't get a score for that, and you were wondering why your scores were low. Just killing stuff isn't going to get you a higher score in all but one match. See in the screen shot how the guy with zero kills scored higher than the guy with 43 kills?
That's battleground scoring in ESO. You want your score higher, play the objective once in awhile.

Ok. I guess some of it was confusion on my part. I thought you could get kill related medals for every version of bg, hence why I thought kill stealing was a problem.

Aznox

jabrone77 wrote: »

That's battleground scoring in ESO. You want your score higher to win, play the objective once in awhile every single match.

Kel

Aznox wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

That's battleground scoring in ESO. You want your score higher to win, play the objective once in awhile every single match.

I wish...oh how I wish.....

del9

In flag games assists get you 100 but KBs get you nothing or maybe 5 if its the relic carrier? So in this case being a finisher is punished.. hmmm

del9

Deep_01 wrote: »

Don't killing blow and assist have same no of points awarded??

Yes but in DM KB's get you other medals like double/triple kill, first blood etc

Thogard

Nice dmg fred

UppGRAYxDD

In b4 this becomes a nerf sorc thread...

usmguy1234

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

In b4 this becomes a nerf sorc thread...

Hopefully people will read the discussion and not fall subject to confirmation bias... no wait, you're probably right.

casparian

Beardimus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

It's allllll about Dem kills. I can bring a PvE build in with loads of AOE and get similar stats. Assists dont help the team win tho its about burst and finishing then off.

Only death match has the kill goal...

I still stick to the point that it's not exactly right to do 90% of the damage to get robbed by sorc or 2h spamming execute.

'robbed' by a team mate that's helping you win? Or your score more important than team?

I do hear your point. Tho Templars have the mother of all executes no?

Not since about a year ago. Have you tried using Jesus Beam in PVP recently? It's literally outhealed by Vigor these days.

usmguy1234

casparian wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

It's allllll about Dem kills. I can bring a PvE build in with loads of AOE and get similar stats. Assists dont help the team win tho its about burst and finishing then off.

Only death match has the kill goal...

I still stick to the point that it's not exactly right to do 90% of the damage to get robbed by sorc or 2h spamming execute.

'robbed' by a team mate that's helping you win? Or your score more important than team?

I do hear your point. Tho Templars have the mother of all executes no?

Not since about a year ago. Have you tried using Jesus Beam in PVP recently? It's literally outhealed by Vigor these days.

Pretty sure he was referring to PotL.

casparian

usmguy1234 wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

It's allllll about Dem kills. I can bring a PvE build in with loads of AOE and get similar stats. Assists dont help the team win tho its about burst and finishing then off.

Only death match has the kill goal...

I still stick to the point that it's not exactly right to do 90% of the damage to get robbed by sorc or 2h spamming execute.

'robbed' by a team mate that's helping you win? Or your score more important than team?

I do hear your point. Tho Templars have the mother of all executes no?

Not since about a year ago. Have you tried using Jesus Beam in PVP recently? It's literally outhealed by Vigor these days.

Pretty sure he was referring to PotL.

That's not an execute and it only hits for 5-6k.

Mureel

Cheesus. Can't anyone just have fun? I love bgs and I get a lot of assists and some kills and a fair few deaths. Just have fun and let the math add itself.

Not telling anyone how to play- mind you! Just making a suggestion of actually having fun over numbers.

Mureel

casparian wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

It's allllll about Dem kills. I can bring a PvE build in with loads of AOE and get similar stats. Assists dont help the team win tho its about burst and finishing then off.

Only death match has the kill goal...

I still stick to the point that it's not exactly right to do 90% of the damage to get robbed by sorc or 2h spamming execute.

'robbed' by a team mate that's helping you win? Or your score more important than team?

I do hear your point. Tho Templars have the mother of all executes no?

Not since about a year ago. Have you tried using Jesus Beam in PVP recently? It's literally outhealed by Vigor these days.

Cheesus Beam.

usmguy1234

casparian wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

It's allllll about Dem kills. I can bring a PvE build in with loads of AOE and get similar stats. Assists dont help the team win tho its about burst and finishing then off.

Only death match has the kill goal...

I still stick to the point that it's not exactly right to do 90% of the damage to get robbed by sorc or 2h spamming execute.

'robbed' by a team mate that's helping you win? Or your score more important than team?

I do hear your point. Tho Templars have the mother of all executes no?

Not since about a year ago. Have you tried using Jesus Beam in PVP recently? It's literally outhealed by Vigor these days.

Pretty sure he was referring to PotL.

That's not an execute and it only hits for 5-6k.

Mine has nearly a 25k tooltip.

casparian

usmguy1234 wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

It's allllll about Dem kills. I can bring a PvE build in with loads of AOE and get similar stats. Assists dont help the team win tho its about burst and finishing then off.

Only death match has the kill goal...

I still stick to the point that it's not exactly right to do 90% of the damage to get robbed by sorc or 2h spamming execute.

'robbed' by a team mate that's helping you win? Or your score more important than team?

I do hear your point. Tho Templars have the mother of all executes no?

Not since about a year ago. Have you tried using Jesus Beam in PVP recently? It's literally outhealed by Vigor these days.

Pretty sure he was referring to PotL.

That's not an execute and it only hits for 5-6k.

Mine has nearly a 25k tooltip.

That's very high for no-CP BGs; you must have well over 40k magicka without CP, which is an unusual build. Even so, that's getting reduced by Battle Spirit (now we're at 12.5k) and then again by spell resist (35% or so is common; now we're at 8125). More standard builds will only have around a 19-20k tooltip in BGs, which is only going to hit for around 6k at best on an opponent in medium or light armor.