How much $$ does it cost to max research Jewelry with Crown Scrolls?

VaranisArano

Building on my math here where I examined the cost of instantly mastering blacksmithing, clothing, and woodworking research: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/399756/pay-to-win-the-math-on-research-scrolls/p1

(FYI: its about 300,000+ crowns or around $2000 in non-sale price crowns)

I decided to look at Jewelry crafting.

This math assumes several things that are not necessarily true.
A. The person buying scrolls has all of the necessary traits available for research (ZOS intends this acquisition process to be grindy and require different types of content)
B. The person buying scrolls will have the Jewelry passive for jewelry research maxed before starting any research (most players, I suspect will start research before they have maxed.)

But if these two things are accepted as true, someone could instantly pay to become a master jewelry researcher as follows:

Crown Store Research Scrolls
The Crown Store Research Scrolls come in 1, 7 and 15 day versions. They do not have a cooldown.
1 day scrolls - 400 Crowns
7 day scrolls - 2500 Crowns
15 day scrolls - 5000 crowns

Again you have the option to waste time on scrolls. Since this one involved much less math to find an optimal use of scrolls, I went ahead and did both options.
1 trait - wait 4.5 hours or 1 1-day scroll
2 trait - wait 9 hours or 1 1-day scroll
3 trait - wait 18 hours or 1 1-day scroll
4 trait - wait 12 hours and 1 1-day scroll or 2 1-day scrolls
5 trait - 3 1-day scrolls
6 trait - 6 1-day scrolls
7 trait - 1 7-day scroll and 5 1-day scrolls (ESO+ gets 1 7-day scroll and 4 1-day scrolls)
8 trait - 1 15-day scroll, 1 7-day scroll and 2 1-day scrolls (ESO+ gets 1 15-day scroll and 1 7-day scroll)
9 trait - 2 15-day scrolls (ESO+ gets 1 15-day scroll, 1 7 day scroll and 5 1-day scrolls)

So the cost in scrolls for 1 Cycle is either:
Patient People Price: wait 43.5 hours and 17 1-day scrolls, 2 7-day scrolls, and 3 15-day scrolls.
Impatient People Price: 21 1-day scrolls, 2 7-day scrolls, and 3 15-day scrolls
ESO+: wait 36 hrs 45 min and 19 1-day scrolls, 3 7-day scrolls, 2 15 day scrolls OR 23 1-day scrolls, 3 7-day scrolls, 2 15-day scrolls.

Total Cost for all researching is thus: (2 times waiting, 2 total cycles for necklaces and rings separately)
Patient People: Wait 87 hours (4 days) and 34 1-day scrolls, 4 7-day scrolls, and 6 15-day scrolls = 53,600 Crowns
Impatient People: 42 1-day scrolls, 4 7-day scrolls, and 6 15-day scrolls = 56,800 crowns
Patient ESO +: wait 73 hours 30 minute (slightly over 3 days), 38 1-day scrolls, 6 7-day scrolls, 4 15-day scrolls = 50,200 Crowns (possibly a little lower depending on how patient they are on some of the later traits)
Impatient ESO+: 46 1-day scrolls, 6 7-day scrolls, 4 15-day scrolls = 53,400 Crowns

Conclusions
1. Unlike the established crafts of blacksmithing, clothing, and woodworking, its going to be much harder to simply buy your way to all nine traits because of the way traits jewelry is acquired and the grindy nature of leveling jewelry crafting.
2. Once someone does have all the traited jewelry acquired for research, it will cost approx. 50-55K crowns to purchase the necessary jewelry research scrolls.
3. Depending on how many crowns you need and which packs you buy, you'd pay roughly between $364 to $400 to "instantly" become a master jewelry researcher. (PC/NA non sale prices)

As usual, if I've screwed up my math or misunderstood something, please feel free to point it out politely. As I've noted, some of the numbers of scrolls or exact cost might differ slightly if you choose to research items a little differently than I did when doing the math. There is more information on how I set this up on the post I linked, so if you have questions about it, please ask or check over there as well.

Finally, I don't myself have a strong opinion on whether or not this constitutes Pay-To-Win. I just like math and find it helpful to know the actual numbers. I find it very interesting to know the cost of become a Jewelry researcher with crowns is about $360-$400. That's certainly more than I want to pay, but if you so desire or you want to complain, now you know the cost.

Waffennacht

I'll just research the best one first then not care about the time.

But, thank you, I found it very interesting!

VaranisArano

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'll just research the best one first then not care about the time.

But, thank you, I found it very interesting!

That's my plan too! The best thing about researching is you can knock out the first few usual traits in very little time. Its like 8 days, even with no passives, to get the first 5 traits researched.

If you want Julianos jewelry, it'd take a little more than a month to research 6 traits on rings and necklaces, assuming you could acquire the jewelry needed for research.

Banana

Im not in that much of a hurry and im not a fruit cake

NewBlacksmurf

I’m more concerned with finding the diff traits for rings and necklaces but i guess some folks will pay for progress.

I think what’s more valuable is to measure how many months it would take of ESO Plus as that’s possibly more realistic.

VaranisArano

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I’m more concerned with finding the diff traits for rings and necklaces but i guess some folks will pay for progress.

I think what’s more valuable is to measure how many months it would take of ESO Plus as that’s possibly more realistic.

Based on my math here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/399756/pay-to-win-the-math-on-research-scrolls/p1

It will take about 140 days of research (assuming ESO+, all research passive, and no downtime on researching traits) to max Jewelry research. No ESO+ but with passive and no downtime is about 156 days.

So close to 5 months. Realistically, longer, due to needing to acquire the traits and get max passives.

ccfeeling

Research the important traits first ... that's ZOS style , they make everything spend time , but some of us like it really , they said this is afford , what ? Just waiting tho rofl !

JinMori

First things you gotta do is decide what you wanna do in the game, if you are both a stam and mag dps, and not heal or tank, then you should aim for the strongest dps traits to research first, like blood, arcane, robust etc, and then the rest.

DoctorESO

Banana wrote: »

Im not in that much of a hurry and im not a fruit cake

What does fruit cake have to do with this?

Eyro

VaranisArano wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I’m more concerned with finding the diff traits for rings and necklaces but i guess some folks will pay for progress.

I think what’s more valuable is to measure how many months it would take of ESO Plus as that’s possibly more realistic.

Based on my math here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/399756/pay-to-win-the-math-on-research-scrolls/p1

It will take about 140 days of research (assuming ESO+, all research passive, and no downtime on researching traits) to max Jewelry research. No ESO+ but with passive and no downtime is about 156 days.

So close to 5 months. Realistically, longer, due to needing to acquire the traits and get max passives.

If this is right and it will take 5 months doing it naturally, I sort of think 400 dollars isn’t enough.

AlnilamE

Keep in mind that we already have 3 traits for each item in our possession, so even if we don't get any drops in the new traits for the few days, that's 3.5 days of research that we can already line up.

The_Protagonist

I will take my sweet time to find and research all traits the old fashioned way like I did my other crafts, with time prices in gold will come down and if I am lucky I will have enough mats to make my desired set.

I play this game to unwind after work and not to wind up without gold, since it is already very grindy I wont be paying much attention to it and go about as usual till I have what I need, the research will take care of it self in due time.

No interest in "World's First Master Jewelry Crafter", big deal, it will only show that one has money and they used it. Not my cup of tea.

BTW congrats in advance to World's First Master Jewelry Crafter


Edit: Typo

Nestor

VaranisArano wrote: »

Finally, I don't myself have a strong opinion on whether or not this constitutes Pay-To-Win. I just like math and find it helpful to know the actual numbers. I find it very interesting to know the cost of become a Jewelry researcher with crowns is about $360-$400.

Time is Money.

But not all time is worth that much money.

I have gotten along without Jewlery Crafting for 4 years now, I can go a couple more months.

Besides, I can make the sets I want in less than one month (Julianos and Hundings for the most part)

mikemacon

...okay?

Sting864

VaranisArano wrote: »

Patient People: Wait 87 hours (4 days) and 34 1-day scrolls, 4 7-day scrolls, and 6 15-day scrolls = 53,600 Crowns

It costs me no out of pocket money... Research is free... Plus every night, whether I'm logged in or not, the research timer's running.... Where's the fire??

VaranisArano

Sting864 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Patient People: Wait 87 hours (4 days) and 34 1-day scrolls, 4 7-day scrolls, and 6 15-day scrolls = 53,600 Crowns

It costs me no out of pocket money... Research is free... Plus every night, whether I'm logged in or not, the research timer's running.... Where's the fire??

That "patient people" is for people who want to use scrolls but are willing to wait out the research timers that are less than a full day.

If you have all the traits available, all time reduction passives, and no downtime, it'll take about 5 months to just research the old-fashioned way. So not bad at all.

The_Protagonist

VaranisArano wrote: »

Sting864 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Patient People: Wait 87 hours (4 days) and 34 1-day scrolls, 4 7-day scrolls, and 6 15-day scrolls = 53,600 Crowns

It costs me no out of pocket money... Research is free... Plus every night, whether I'm logged in or not, the research timer's running.... Where's the fire??

That "patient people" is for people who want to use scrolls but are willing to wait out the research timers that are less than a full day.

If you have all the traits available, all time reduction passives, and no downtime, it'll take about 5 months to just research the old-fashioned way. So not bad at all.

What's the rush, the mats are really rare to begin with, so 5 months is okay by me.

jedtb16_ESO

why would you use crown scrolls on the early research?

won't there be stuff available for writ vouchers?

VaranisArano

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

why would you use crown scrolls on the early research?

won't there be stuff available for writ vouchers?

That's why I look at the options for being patient, in this case meaning that someone wants to use scrolls but doesnt want to use them for less than 24 hr time periods.

Remember, this is not a recommendation but rather an exploration of how much it costs to use scrolls to reach jewelry research mastery.

If you want to just research by waiting out the timers, you can have 5 to 6 traits researched for both necklaces and rings in a little over a month.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

why would you use crown scrolls on the early research?

won't there be stuff available for writ vouchers?

This is something I'm curious about. IIRC there's a 20 hour cooldown on the Writ Voucher version and it's only one day, but is there anything stopping someone from using the Writ Voucher version first, then use the Crown version? (Or vice-versa to prevent 'wasting' a real-money scroll on the 'wait' period?) It could cut down on the number of 1 day Crown Scrolls at least.

VaranisArano

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

why would you use crown scrolls on the early research?

won't there be stuff available for writ vouchers?

This is something I'm curious about. IIRC there's a 20 hour cooldown on the Writ Voucher version and it's only one day, but is there anything stopping someone from using the Writ Voucher version first, then use the Crown version? (Or vice-versa to prevent 'wasting' a real-money scroll on the 'wait' period?) It could cut down on the number of 1 day Crown Scrolls at least.

You could, but unless you are willing to wait out the 20-hr cooldown period each time you use them, its not going to help you that much.

Using my math from here talking about the 1-day In-game scrolls: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/399756/pay-to-win-the-math-on-research-scrolls/p1

1 Cycle research time using my method under ideal researching but no ESO+ is 861.5 hours or 36 days.
1 Cycle requires 42 research scrolls.

So completing jewelry research with all passives, no ESO+ and no downtime on traits and only in-game scrolls would require 84 in-game scrolls and take 72 days.

Jhalin

The grind on jewelry crafting is going to be absurd for very little reward when it launches. I don’t think I’ll be engaging with the system outside deconning items since it’s such a prohibitive time sink to search for the nearly nonexistent nodes, for such a minimal reward as part of an upgrade material. The whole thing is unappealing for anything but transmuting jewelry.

zaria

AlnilamE wrote: »

Keep in mind that we already have 3 traits for each item in our possession, so even if we don't get any drops in the new traits for the few days, that's 3.5 days of research that we can already line up.

This and the most relevant sets are 6 trait, now some might use research scrolls to get 6 traits fast. Pretty sure purple jewelry of mechanical accuracy, julianos and hurdling would be very valuable in the start.

This depend on the availability of raw materials but this is an cost issue.
If you are an farmer you know its the goto item at launch.

Sigma957

I'll be researching one of the standard traits first while trying to max jewelry crafting and gathering the new traits. The biggest hurdle will be finding the materials to craft jewelry unless ZOS up's the spawn rate and where nodes are found.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

VaranisArano wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I’m more concerned with finding the diff traits for rings and necklaces but i guess some folks will pay for progress.

I think what’s more valuable is to measure how many months it would take of ESO Plus as that’s possibly more realistic.

Based on my math here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/399756/pay-to-win-the-math-on-research-scrolls/p1

It will take about 140 days of research (assuming ESO+, all research passive, and no downtime on researching traits) to max Jewelry research. No ESO+ but with passive and no downtime is about 156 days.

So close to 5 months. Realistically, longer, due to needing to acquire the traits and get max passives.

So the takehome point is that if you just play the game normally, it will take you a minimum of 5 months to have access to 9 traited set jewelry or transmute in any trait.

Or you can pay ZOS $400 and have access to every set combination and new meta currently being discovered on the PTS instantly day 1.

Does it feel like a mobile game yet?

Sigma957

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I’m more concerned with finding the diff traits for rings and necklaces but i guess some folks will pay for progress.

I think what’s more valuable is to measure how many months it would take of ESO Plus as that’s possibly more realistic.

Based on my math here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/399756/pay-to-win-the-math-on-research-scrolls/p1

It will take about 140 days of research (assuming ESO+, all research passive, and no downtime on researching traits) to max Jewelry research. No ESO+ but with passive and no downtime is about 156 days.

So close to 5 months. Realistically, longer, due to needing to acquire the traits and get max passives.

So the takehome point is that if you just play the game normally, it will take you a minimum of 5 months to have access to 9 traited set jewelry or transmute in any trait.

Or you can pay ZOS $400 and have access to every set combination and new meta currently being discovered on the PTS instantly day 1.

Does it feel like a mobile game yet?

Nope as you still need to find the traits first then get your crafting up to max levels and then find the materials to craft it.

method__01

sorry another question,we wont be able to decon old jewelry for geting mats but can we use old (pre Summerset) ones for research?

VaranisArano

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I’m more concerned with finding the diff traits for rings and necklaces but i guess some folks will pay for progress.

I think what’s more valuable is to measure how many months it would take of ESO Plus as that’s possibly more realistic.

Based on my math here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/399756/pay-to-win-the-math-on-research-scrolls/p1

It will take about 140 days of research (assuming ESO+, all research passive, and no downtime on researching traits) to max Jewelry research. No ESO+ but with passive and no downtime is about 156 days.

So close to 5 months. Realistically, longer, due to needing to acquire the traits and get max passives.

So the takehome point is that if you just play the game normally, it will take you a minimum of 5 months to have access to 9 traited set jewelry or transmute in any trait.

Or you can pay ZOS $400 and have access to every set combination and new meta currently being discovered on the PTS instantly day 1.

Does it feel like a mobile game yet?

Its not quite instant, but the only delay if you use crown scrolls is finding rings and necklaces in all nine traits. Otherwise, yes.

VaranisArano

method__01 wrote: »

sorry another question,we wont be able to decon old jewelry for geting mats but can we use old (pre Summerset) ones for research?

According to the current PTS patch notes, you will be able to research and upgrade jewelry obtained prior to Summerset, but can't decon it.

method__01

ok tnx, keeping some gold and purple then for use

efduncanub17_ESO

if you wanna drop hundreds of bucks so be it...who am I to oppose market capitalism lol