Any Stam Sorcs PvPing On PTS?

Vapirko

I’d really love to hear about how bound armaments is going. I really don’t understand the changes. It’s no longer a toggle but it’s also not a buff. You only get the LA damage and stamina increase if it’s on your bar so for that to remain you still need it on both bars and in that sense it’s still a toggle, and the block buff is only 3 seconds. Why couldn’t ZOS just make this a normal timed buff of X number of seconds? It’s also 3k stamina which is insane for an ability that doesn’t last to your other bar and the one more useless part of it only last three seconds. Where was the logic in this? If I’m misunderstanding how it actually works in practice I’d love to hear from anyone on PTS.

BaylorCorvette

hmm, I thought it was a cast ability like crit surge or hurricane. However after rereading the information again, it would appear you're correct. Granting the damage bonus only when slotted. So basically a toggle. Sounds like the only real benefit you get is you don't have to actively press a button to activate it, just slotted. What a buff

Need someone from PTS to confirm.

Waffennacht

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

hmm, I thought it was a cast ability like crit surge or hurricane. However after rereading the information again, it would appear you're correct. Granting the damage bonus only when slotted. So basically a toggle. Sounds like the only real benefit you get is you don't have to actively press a button to activate it, just slotted. What a buff

Need someone from PTS to confirm.

Now you can slot it on a single bar, primarily the bar that does all the light and heavy attacks and deals the damage.

It's actually a huge buff, especially in PvP

TwistedThoughtz

So it keeps its heavy attack damage increase? What about the 8% stam?

Waffennacht

TwistedThoughtz wrote: »

So it keeps its heavy attack damage increase? What about the 8% stam?

Just to be clear:

Bound Armaments (Bound Armor morph): This morph converts the ability into a Stamina ability and now increases your damage done with Light Attacks while slotted, instead of Heavy Attacks.

So it's effect will only increase light attacks specifically, but the increase to Stam will increase both heavy and light attacks further due to the new heavy attack calculations.

It's worded oddly (damn you ZoS) but I'm sure the max Stam buff is retained

BaylorCorvette

Waffennacht wrote: »

Now you can slot it on a single bar, primarily the bar that does all the light and heavy attacks and deals the damage.

It's actually a huge buff, especially in PvP

Correct, but the point is it's only good on the bar it's slotted. As opposed to it being a cast buff that's good no matter what bar you're on. So if you want the buff on both bars you still have to double slot it. I light attack weave just as much on both bars for instance. However if this was a buff ability, especially on my overload bar that carried over to my light attacks off of overload bar it would be huge. It's decent but could be much better.

Waffennacht

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Now you can slot it on a single bar, primarily the bar that does all the light and heavy attacks and deals the damage.

It's actually a huge buff, especially in PvP

Correct, but the point is it's only good on the bar it's slotted. As opposed to it being a cast buff that's good no matter what bar you're on. So if you want the buff on both bars you still have to double slot it. I light attack weave just as much on both bars for instance. However if this was a buff ability, especially on my overload bar that carried over to my light attacks off of overload bar it would be huge. It's decent but could be much better.

In PvE you would be more inclined to double slot it. In PvP a double slot usually isn't worth it as your backbar rarely has burst.

Tharok

Waffennacht wrote: »

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Now you can slot it on a single bar, primarily the bar that does all the light and heavy attacks and deals the damage.

It's actually a huge buff, especially in PvP

Correct, but the point is it's only good on the bar it's slotted. As opposed to it being a cast buff that's good no matter what bar you're on. So if you want the buff on both bars you still have to double slot it. I light attack weave just as much on both bars for instance. However if this was a buff ability, especially on my overload bar that carried over to my light attacks off of overload bar it would be huge. It's decent but could be much better.

In PvE you would be more inclined to double slot it. In PvP a double slot usually isn't worth it as your backbar rarely has burst.

But you miss the passive buffs if you not double/triple slot. Most pvp builds that runs bound armaments doulbe/triple slot the skill because you gain 8% stam, 11% dmg done with heavy and 20% health and stam recovery from the Daedric Protection passive.

To me sounds like a a nerf. I hope I'm wrong.

React

I only started playing stamsorc about a month ago, but it's been by far the easiest medium armor stam class to play, and I do triple slot bound armaments currently. As far as the summerset PTS notes go, I feel that this change will be a buff to the skill overall when coupled with the increased light & heavy attack damage. I personally don't foresee myself dropping it in the upcoming patch.

the_broo11

Tharok wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Now you can slot it on a single bar, primarily the bar that does all the light and heavy attacks and deals the damage.

It's actually a huge buff, especially in PvP

Correct, but the point is it's only good on the bar it's slotted. As opposed to it being a cast buff that's good no matter what bar you're on. So if you want the buff on both bars you still have to double slot it. I light attack weave just as much on both bars for instance. However if this was a buff ability, especially on my overload bar that carried over to my light attacks off of overload bar it would be huge. It's decent but could be much better.

In PvE you would be more inclined to double slot it. In PvP a double slot usually isn't worth it as your backbar rarely has burst.

But you miss the passive buffs if you not double/triple slot. Most pvp builds that runs bound armaments doulbe/triple slot the skill because you gain 8% stam, 11% dmg done with heavy and 20% health and stam recovery from the Daedric Protection passive.

To me sounds like a a nerf. I hope I'm wrong.

I triple slot since I'd rather not have to toggle it back on (with its 3k+ cost and clunky animation) if I want to use a skill on the overload bar during combat.

I agree on your hesitance though, as I find each of the bonuses equally important. I'll still double slot (front/back bar) simply for the recovery passive, so not much gain there. I'm not sure how I feel about the heavy attack to light attack buff change, but I don't think it will be significant in practice.

Vapirko

What sounds off to me is having your stamina rise or lower by 3-5k everytime you bar swap. Imo this is not a really a buff and definitely not a huge buff. I get that it’s supposed to be a choice of a toggle or a single bar which is kind of cool. But it’s never good to have a massive resource change between bars and as I see it you’ll still need to double slot it. If it’s on your front bar for damage then you lose a ton of recovery and max stat on your backbar when you’re trying to kit/Los/recover and if it’s on your backbar then you lose a lot of damage, recovery, and heals while you’re trying to maintain pressure. I don’t see how this is a buff. Again, no other class is forced to use a toggle for some of their main buffs. Based on what it is now in PTS I’d rather keep it as is on live. I’d rather have the on going extra resistances than this 3 second block which is pretty useless if you’re not a block build. If you have to spend 3k stam just to get 15% less cost on your next attacks? What is that about?

Cathexis

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

hmm, I thought it was a cast ability like crit surge or hurricane. However after rereading the information again, it would appear you're correct. Granting the damage bonus only when slotted. So basically a toggle. Sounds like the only real benefit you get is you don't have to actively press a button to activate it, just slotted. What a buff

Need someone from PTS to confirm.

Not being a toggle is a huge buff
(a) it can be used on just one bar more effectively which leads to
(b) you don't have to expend a ton of Stam activating it repeatedly on single bar, and it won't bug out and dismount you if you flip bars

Monster buff

Cathexis

Tharok wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Now you can slot it on a single bar, primarily the bar that does all the light and heavy attacks and deals the damage.

It's actually a huge buff, especially in PvP

Correct, but the point is it's only good on the bar it's slotted. As opposed to it being a cast buff that's good no matter what bar you're on. So if you want the buff on both bars you still have to double slot it. I light attack weave just as much on both bars for instance. However if this was a buff ability, especially on my overload bar that carried over to my light attacks off of overload bar it would be huge. It's decent but could be much better.

In PvE you would be more inclined to double slot it. In PvP a double slot usually isn't worth it as your backbar rarely has burst.

But you miss the passive buffs if you not double/triple slot. Most pvp builds that runs bound armaments doulbe/triple slot the skill because you gain 8% stam, 11% dmg done with heavy and 20% health and stam recovery from the Daedric Protection passive.

To me sounds like a a nerf. I hope I'm wrong.

I have found that double slotting was always it's least effective use unless you are playing a hard health regen build. Single slotting or triple slotting were significantly better. If you double slot you can run overload without it and save activation, and triple slotting sees no distinctive benefit to the change - pretty much equivalent to as it was before if you don't get clumsy and accidentally deactivate it or forget to activate it much.

As far as I can see there is no downside to the changes as long as the original benefits are still present.