So No StamBlade Changes...?

Ch4mpTW

I glanced over the patch notes again a few minutes ago, and noticed that nothing will be changing in regards to StamBlades. Except for the fact that they’ll probably be even stronger and more prevalent, being as 2H Weapons will count as a 2pcs. bonus for sets.

I have a question....

Is ZOS not aware of just how many StamBlades exist now across ALL platforms...? Is ZOS not aware that StamBlades are out and about just straight-up deleting people in combat, and then turning around with full ultimate to go insta-gib the next person? Or, is it a situation where ZOS devs don’t find StamBlades to be an issue?

As a side note, those ready to jump down my throat about this thread and claim how StamBlades are so weak this and that can stop. If StamBlades weren’t so good, the vast majority of Cyrodiil and Battleground’s population wouldn’t be StamBlades. Nor would the majority of the people who randomly come up to you, and ask for a duel. So the whole facade can end now, about how StamBlades are so weak and easily killed. Becahss (lmao that typo tho’!) let’s be honest. If they were so terrible, people wouldn’t flock to them in waves. Case and point, MagickaWardens and StamSorcs.

But anyway, I’m just curious if this was intended or not. Thanks in advance.

Thogard

Oh god... I agree with you.

I need to go home and rethink my life.

Ch4mpTW

Thogard wrote: »

Oh god... I agree with you.

I need to go home and rethink my life.

@Thogard It’s cool, bruh. Everyone agrees with me at 1 point in their life or another. Though many people may hate to admit it, I do raise a LOT of valid points and points that make you think.

Voxicity

I main a stamblade so obviously my point is either going to be ignored, ridiculed or replied with abuse

But I actually haven't noticed an influx in people playing stamblade, in Cyrodiil at least

This is on PC EU so perhaps it's a platform thing, or maybe I don't look hard enough. Or maybe it's such a small increase that I can't tell

Ch4mpTW

Voxicity wrote: »

I main a stamblade so obviously my point is either going to be ignored, ridiculed or replied with abuse

But I actually haven't noticed an influx in people playing stamblade, in Cyrodiil at least

This is on PC EU so perhaps it's a platform thing, or maybe I don't look hard enough. Or maybe it's such a small increase that I can't tell

@Voxicity Lol, I’m not a scumbag bruh. I consider all opinions that people give, UNLESS they are amongst the 1% and or and unnecessarily rude to me. So no worries. Your point is very much so welcomed. I appreciate you voicing your perception of things even. The more angles and sides that something is looked at, the better.

Morgul667

Same here I fail to understand the logic here

Beardimus

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I glanced over the patch notes again a few minutes ago, and noticed that nothing will be changing in regards to StamBlades. Except for the fact that they’ll probably be even stronger and more prevalent, being as 2H Weapons will count as a 2pcs. bonus for sets.

I have a question....

Is ZOS not aware of just how many StamBlades exist now across ALL platforms...? Is ZOS not aware that StamBlades are out and about just straight-up deleting people in combat, and then turning around with full ultimate to go insta-gib the next person? Or, is it a situation where ZOS devs don’t find StamBlades to be an issue?

As a side note, those ready to jump down my throat about this thread and claim how StamBlades are so weak this and that can stop. If StamBlades weren’t so good, the vast majority of Cyrodiil and Battleground’s population wouldn’t be StamBlades. Nor would the majority of the people who randomly come up to you, and ask for a duel. So the whole facade can end now, about how StamBlades are so weak and easily killed. Becahss (lmao that typo tho’!) let’s be honest. If they were so terrible, people wouldn’t flock to them in waves. Case and point, MagickaWardens and StamSorcs.

But anyway, I’m just curious if this was intended or not. Thanks in advance.

In full agreement. The uplift seen in Cyro but more the duel requests / entries into dueling comps are through the roof, and moreso that less experienced players switching to them are suddenly getting wins!

And the response to this by ZOS for Sorc? Make them more tanky. Lol at least I get cost reduction when that incap comes....oh...

FloppyTouch

I just hate stamblades so I'm very bias on the issue. I even started to play one. I lvled it up during the jester festival, it so stupid easy to play I hate myself every day I go into pvp with one. ZoS won't do anything until 100% of the population is stamblade so I'm just doing my part to see the class get fixed.

Lysette

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I just hate stamblades so I'm very bias on the issue. I even started to play one. I lvled it up during the jester festival, in pvp it so stupid easy I hate myself every day I go into pvp for playing one. ZoS won't do anything until 100% of the population is stamblade so I'm just doing my part to see the class get fixed.

You have to look at it from a first time player perspective, not judge it from an experienced end game level player perspective. Most people are NEVER getting that far, a whole lot do neither have the time nor the intention to grind for better gear than a blue/purple mix - for them it has to work in PvE or they will just loose interest and play something else instead. Those might not do any animation cancelling at all and are as well a little slow due to lack of practice - like I said, they might just not have the time for it. This is the viewpoint from which you should evaluate changes - because they are the majority. If those do not have fun, ZOS would be doomed. - and from this perspective, those nerfs aren't necessary and even damaging the game.

Skander

Incapacitating should lose major defile

It's desease dmg, which can proc minor defile


You get with an ulti of 70 cost: A stun, huge dmg, empower for 6 seconds, major defile for 6 seconds, possibility of minor defile

BohnT

Voxicity wrote: »

I main a stamblade so obviously my point is either going to be ignored, ridiculed or replied with abuse

But I actually haven't noticed an influx in people playing stamblade, in Cyrodiil at least

This is on PC EU so perhaps it's a platform thing, or maybe I don't look hard enough. Or maybe it's such a small increase that I can't tell

Especially on Pc EU the number of stamnbs increased a lot.
Atleast 30% of vivec are stamnbs currently for AD it could be even 40%.

Voxicity

BohnT wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

I main a stamblade so obviously my point is either going to be ignored, ridiculed or replied with abuse

But I actually haven't noticed an influx in people playing stamblade, in Cyrodiil at least

This is on PC EU so perhaps it's a platform thing, or maybe I don't look hard enough. Or maybe it's such a small increase that I can't tell

Especially on Pc EU the number of stamnbs increased a lot.
Atleast 30% of vivec are stamnbs currently for AD it could be even 40%.

Yeah maybe it's cause I'm not usually playing by the zerg that I haven't seen the influx myself, but yes it does seem most people are saying there are more stamblades around

ErMurazor

LoL, our crithealing back to full health with shadowy disgise removed. Empover totaly changed that ALOT of stamblades use. So gankblades took a big hit with empower and rollerblades took a big hit with no crithealing. I read that ppl also want incap nerfed, if that happens stamblades will be dead and buried in pvp . But i guess thats what this witchhunt is all about.

imnotanother

I’ve been playing since the launch on consoles. I played the game daily until September 2017. Just started playing again a month ago.

This is the first time that StamBlades have had any sort of power. My memory recalls MagSorcs being amazingly OP for years.

The trial guild I was in wouldn’t let StamBlades even run a trial if they were trying to get a competitive score. I was always told, “level up Sorcerer.”

So, personally, I am enjoying being on top for a change.

Strider__Roshin

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I glanced over the patch notes again a few minutes ago, and noticed that nothing will be changing in regards to StamBlades. Except for the fact that they’ll probably be even stronger and more prevalent, being as 2H Weapons will count as a 2pcs. bonus for sets.

I have a question....

Is ZOS not aware of just how many StamBlades exist now across ALL platforms...? Is ZOS not aware that StamBlades are out and about just straight-up deleting people in combat, and then turning around with full ultimate to go insta-gib the next person? Or, is it a situation where ZOS devs don’t find StamBlades to be an issue?

As a side note, those ready to jump down my throat about this thread and claim how StamBlades are so weak this and that can stop. If StamBlades weren’t so good, the vast majority of Cyrodiil and Battleground’s population wouldn’t be StamBlades. Nor would the majority of the people who randomly come up to you, and ask for a duel. So the whole facade can end now, about how StamBlades are so weak and easily killed. Becahss (lmao that typo tho’!) let’s be honest. If they were so terrible, people wouldn’t flock to them in waves. Case and point, MagickaWardens and StamSorcs.

But anyway, I’m just curious if this was intended or not. Thanks in advance.

The vast majority of BG are DKs and Templars. Stamblades are the minority if anything. And yes stamblades are easy to kill. The only classes I would consider over performing are magDKs, and stamina Wardens.

glavius

Skander wrote: »

Incapacitating should lose major defile

It's desease dmg, which can proc minor defile


You get with an ulti of 70 cost: A stun, huge dmg, empower for 6 seconds, major defile for 6 seconds, possibility of minor defile

In no way can you get minor defile from incap

Azurya

last 8 days in cyro, it is getting hard to find enough NB to kill , therefor we see a rapid increasing amount of sorcs and DKs running around.
players getting ready for the coming update,

and to be true a stamblade is only good WHEN he/she uses 7 skills not available in the the skilltrees of the NB, which means these skills are available to all, and yes my stamsorc uses some of them too.
so.... to nerf a stamblade, it is essentiel to nerf 3 skilllines of worldskilltrees, that would upset to many players, because that would not only affects stamblades............

therefor ZOS will do that sometime in the future (they will say that if you ask them.........)
imho it would be nice if ZOS would make it possible to have staminabuilds in whatever class that are able to use 8-9 skills from the class skilltree and not the other way around, a stamina build is forced to use 7-8 skills from worldskilltrees to be competitive with magicka builds.

BohnT

ErMurazor wrote: »

LoL, our crithealing back to full health with shadowy disgise removed. Empover totaly changed that ALOT of stamblades use. So gankblades took a big hit with empower and rollerblades took a big hit with no crithealing. I read that ppl also want incap nerfed, if that happens stamblades will be dead and buried in pvp . But i guess thats what this witchhunt is all about.

Exaggerate much?
Stamblades will never be dead as long as they have access to cloak, will, death stroke ult, fear, suprise attack, NB passives in their current version.

The stun on incap has to go to make them balanced.

Palidon

No Stamblade changes. GOOD.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

Thats not true at all. Cloak got fixed so that 100% crit healing in stealth isnt possible anymore.

Thats a good start.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

Voxicity wrote: »

I main a stamblade so obviously my point is either going to be ignored, ridiculed or replied with abuse

But I actually haven't noticed an influx in people playing stamblade, in Cyrodiil at least

This is on PC EU so perhaps it's a platform thing, or maybe I don't look hard enough. Or maybe it's such a small increase that I can't tell

man every time i see a post like this...makes me want to come in and tell people "L2P instead of spending time badmouthing a class you don't understand" and yes on EU you wont see at all stamblades cuz its 2 squishy and ez countered also with the influx of magdks we gona have an even harder time...everytime i see a post about people getting rekt by stamblade gankers i just know it can only happen on NA since on EU its hard if not imposible to gank people who run perma heavy armor with overcap ress and lame builds especially that we have no burst sets anymore so all "ganking" stuff its basically dead since they removed old viper... id say more things to this guy but I'm tired of zos warnings...

BohnT

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

I main a stamblade so obviously my point is either going to be ignored, ridiculed or replied with abuse

But I actually haven't noticed an influx in people playing stamblade, in Cyrodiil at least

This is on PC EU so perhaps it's a platform thing, or maybe I don't look hard enough. Or maybe it's such a small increase that I can't tell

man every time i see a post like this...makes me want to come in and tell people "L2P instead of spending time badmouthing a class you don't understand" and yes on EU you wont see at all stamblades cuz its 2 squishy and ez countered also with the influx of magdks we gona have an even harder time...everytime i see a post about people getting rekt by stamblade gankers i just know it can only happen on NA since on EU its hard if not imposible to gank people who run perma heavy armor with overcap ress and lame builds especially that we have no burst sets anymore so all "ganking" stuff its basically dead since they removed old viper... id say more things to this guy but I'm tired of zos warnings...

If you have a hard time with stamnb right now it's not your enemy that has to L2P.
Stamnb is the single most potent OW spec for solo play or small scale.
You can end most fights in less than 3 seconds vs enemies at full health with an easy incap + will. And every NB that is squishy fails to build their char right

Syncronaut

Azurya wrote: »

last 8 days in cyro, it is getting hard to find enough NB to kill , therefor we see a rapid increasing amount of sorcs and DKs running around.
players getting ready for the coming update,

and to be true a stamblade is only good WHEN he/she uses 7 skills not available in the the skilltrees of the NB, which means these skills are available to all, and yes my stamsorc uses some of them too.
so.... to nerf a stamblade, it is essentiel to nerf 3 skilllines of worldskilltrees, that would upset to many players, because that would not only affects stamblades............

therefor ZOS will do that sometime in the future (they will say that if you ask them.........)
imho it would be nice if ZOS would make it possible to have staminabuilds in whatever class that are able to use 8-9 skills from the class skilltree and not the other way around, a stamina build is forced to use 7-8 skills from worldskilltrees to be competitive with magicka builds.

This is because we are hiding and striking you from shadows when you least expect.

I do hate 720 tanks tho---imposible to kill with a burst (or i just lack cp i dont know).

As for patch notes..all i read are small nerfs to our class:


Nightblade

Assassination
Assassin’s Blade: This ability and its morphs now deal their bonus execute damage when the target is below 25% Health, down from 26% Health. (i dont use this in pvp -- 2h is better due to larger execute hp rate)
Lotus Fan (Teleport Strike morph): The snare applied by this morph now reduces Movement Speed by 40%, down from 70%. (we dont use this)

Shadow
Bolstering Darkness (Consuming Darkness morph): This morph now causes the Major Protection buff to remain on you even after leaving the area. The buff will persist for the duration of the ability. (usless)
Dark Cloak (Shadow Cloak morph): This morph no longer grants invisibility; instead it heals you for 32% of your Max Health over 3 seconds and grants Minor Protection for the duration. (not a nerf, just a tank ability)
Dark Shades (Summon Shade morph):
Renamed this morph to “Dark Shade”. Singular. Because…
This morph now summons one shade instead of two, and the shade will occasionally deal a point blank area of effect damage around it. (i hardy use shades -- its harder to get out of combat with them out)
Manifestation of Terror (Aspect of Terror morph): Reduced the arming time of the traps created by this morph to 2 seconds from 3 seconds. (we dont use traps)
Path of Darkness: Reduced the damage and healing done by this ability and Refreshing Path morph by approximately 5%, and reduced the damage done by the Twisting Path morph by approximately 9%. (usless)
Shadow Image (Summon Shade morph): This morph can now be cast without an enemy target. (i guess its good to run away?) BUFF

Siphoning
Debilitate (Cripple morph): This morph now refunds 100% of the ability’s cost if the enemy dies while affected by it, increased from 50%.
Malevolent Offering: This ability and its morphs now smart heal an ally in front of you instantly, instead of healing a specific target over time. Each cast of these abilities will place a damage over time effect on you that drains your health over 8 seconds.
Soul Siphon (Soul Shred morph): Increased the radius of the heal applied by this morph to 28 meters from 15 seconds.
Strife: Increased the cost of this ability and its morphs to 2700 Magicka from 1891 Magicka.

However:
Rebalanced Light and Heavy Attack damage across weapon types to reinforce the concept that Light Attacks are for dealing damage and Heavy Attacks are for restoring resources. In general, this means:

Light Attacks with Two Handed weapons will deal less damage.

Heavy Attacks with Two Handed, One Hand and Shield, Dual Wield, and Bow weapons will deal less damage.

2h nerf.

gnarlyvandal

I think threads like this have to take into account the broader game changes that are happening. 2h weapons counting as 2 set pieces and LA damage scaling with magicka/stamina will have a big impact on the game. I’ve seen it mentioned on several occasions that LA dmg scaling will benefit mag chars more due to the magicka resource stacking, throw in the upgraded sunderflame set and there could be a new bis mag fire build...

New gear sets are incoming that could potentially be bis and affect the way Stamblade, or any class for that matter, outputs their dps.

Let the changes come and let’s see the numbers before anyone gets upset. I rolled a stamnb and levelled it up during this anniversary event just because of all the community discussions around them. Yeah it’s fun and the dps output is decent, but I definitely feel squishier and less able to solo difficult content than on my magsorc, although this could entirely be due to my inexperience with the NB class.

Azurya

I really don´t get your problem
Stanblade sucks in pledges, it sucks in raids, it sucks in BG, it is not the winner in cyrodil
it is nice in good balanced groups, but otherwise it is nothing

sure it is bad when you get killed in a duel by such a OP-class
read my post above, nothing special about a stamblade, nothing to show your build
decent gear is important for every build and available
most of the skills used by a stamblade are from world-skill-trees
to load an will you most place first 4 hits

and it is sad that always these few ppl start there HATE-campaign over and over
just wasted time, bether you go and grind some gear
nobody is taking you serious anymore
this same theatre of hate over and over is getting squishy

BohnT

Azurya wrote: »

I really don´t get your problem
Stanblade sucks in pledges, it sucks in raids, it sucks in BG, it is not the winner in cyrodil
it is nice in good balanced groups, but otherwise it is nothing

sure it is bad when you get killed in a duel by such a OP-class
read my post above, nothing special about a stamblade, nothing to show your build
decent gear is important for every build and available
most of the skills used by a stamblade are from world-skill-trees
to load an will you most place first 4 hits

and it is sad that always these few ppl start there HATE-campaign over and over
just wasted time, bether you go and grind some gear
nobody is taking you serious anymore
this same theatre of hate over and over is getting squishy

Stop spreading false information.
Stamnb is pulling the highest ST of all stamclasses in raids and in solo + provides good major slayer uptime.
It's one of the best classes for non cp BGS as it has lots of frontloaded burst damage that makes it hard to recover from + a good escape and great mobility it has everything you can ask for for Deathmatch, domination, capture the relic, crazy king and killing tanky Chaos Ball carriers.

Stamnb is the most special stamclass in the game capable of multiple playstyles with good success, lots of class skills to chose from which set them apart from all other stamclasses.

A stamblade uses the following skills:
Cloak, shade, suprise attack, focus, incap, fear, killer's blade, siphoning attacks, mark, HA use Mirage for major evasion.

The class relies the least on non class skills.

Stop spreading false information and accept the reality

Yzalirk

I fail to see the case and point here. Every class is viable for PvP, some are just easier to use than the other.

TequilaFire

Love it when the haters are wrong.
If a class is popular a game is played, if a game is played money is made.
Now improve the other classes.

cHIIMEERa

If you get straight up deleted in a 1v1 vs a stamblade on a regular basis i would argue that you're either doing something wrong or simply being outplayed by players with more skill.

I think it comes down to how good you are at pvp.

As a stamblade you will come across:
unkillable wardens/templars,
DK-s that one shot you with a leap
Scorcs that simply wont let you penetrate their shields.

Every class has their strenght/weaknesses mate

BohnT

cHIIMEERa wrote: »

If you get straight up deleted in a 1v1 vs a stamblade on a regular basis i would argue that you're either doing something wrong or simply being outplayed by players with more skill.

I think it comes down to how good you are at pvp.

As a stamblade you will come across:
unkillable wardens/templars,
DK-s that one shot you with a leap
Scorcs that simply wont let you penetrate their shields.

Every class has their strenght/weaknesses mate

@Subversuss can you maybe enlighten this poster which spec rules dueling atm?

ErMurazor

BohnT wrote: »

ErMurazor wrote: »

LoL, our crithealing back to full health with shadowy disgise removed. Empover totaly changed that ALOT of stamblades use. So gankblades took a big hit with empower and rollerblades took a big hit with no crithealing. I read that ppl also want incap nerfed, if that happens stamblades will be dead and buried in pvp . But i guess thats what this witchhunt is all about.

Exaggerate much?
Stamblades will never be dead as long as they have access to cloak, will, death stroke ult, fear, suprise attack, NB passives in their current version.

The stun on incap has to go to make them balanced.

stamblades are as good as worthless now when crithealing from cloak is gone and empower.