Jewelry = Grindfest

reoskit

Holy cow. Digesting today's release of info.

Each crafting mat (ounce) is made up of 10 raw (dust). Fine.
Each trait mat is made up of 10 raw (pulverized)...
Each upgrade mat (bar) is made up of 10 raw (grains)...

Decon drops pulverized and grain - not full mats.

You cannot use a passive to research multiple traits at once, AND you cannot research traits for a necklace and a ring at once...

Get ready for a long hard slog, folks. I'm fine with investing time, but this is going to be laborious af.

jedtb16_ESO

reoskit wrote: »

Holy cow. Digesting today's release of info.

Each crafting mat (ounce) is made up of 10 raw (dust). Fine.
Each trait mat is made up of 10 raw (pulverized)...
Each upgrade mat (bar) is made up of 10 raw (grains)...

Decon drops pulverized and grain - not full mats.

You cannot use a passive to research multiple traits at once, AND you cannot research traits for a necklace and a ring at once...

Get ready for a long hard slog, folks. I'm fine with investing time, but this is going to be laborious af.

since when was clicking a button hard?

Kiralyn2000

reoskit wrote: »

You cannot use a passive to research multiple traits at once, AND you cannot research traits for a necklace and a ring at once...

Well, if you can't research multiple at once, then of course you can't do necklace and ring at once - that'd be multiple.

And considering that you have 14 different research categories to do traits in for Smithing and Clothier, with only 3 research slots, two categories (Necklace & Ring) with one research slot is better.

reoskit

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

reoskit wrote: »

You cannot use a passive to research multiple traits at once, AND you cannot research traits for a necklace and a ring at once...

Well, if you can't research multiple at once, then of course you can't do necklace and ring at once - that'd be multiple.

A logical assessment, yes. I was still thinking about them as divided research lines, not that they fall under the same crafting type.

KRBMMO

reoskit wrote: »

Holy cow. Digesting today's release of info.

Each crafting mat (ounce) is made up of 10 raw (dust). Fine.
Each trait mat is made up of 10 raw (pulverized)...
Each upgrade mat (bar) is made up of 10 raw (grains)...

Decon drops pulverized and grain - not full mats.

You cannot use a passive to research multiple traits at once, AND you cannot research traits for a necklace and a ring at once...

Get ready for a long hard slog, folks. I'm fine with investing time, but this is going to be laborious af.

So we've been waiting three years for something lots of people really wanted and begged for but given up hope to ever get it and then when it comes we are disappointed we cant grind it out in 2 days and on day three again have everything in the game accomplished and find something else to complain about.

such 'tis the MMO disease.

reoskit

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

reoskit wrote: »

Holy cow. Digesting today's release of info.

Each crafting mat (ounce) is made up of 10 raw (dust). Fine.
Each trait mat is made up of 10 raw (pulverized)...
Each upgrade mat (bar) is made up of 10 raw (grains)...

Decon drops pulverized and grain - not full mats.

You cannot use a passive to research multiple traits at once, AND you cannot research traits for a necklace and a ring at once...

Get ready for a long hard slog, folks. I'm fine with investing time, but this is going to be laborious af.

since when was clicking a button hard?

I'm not entirely sure what your contribution to the discussion is here. Considering the amount of time it will take to farm up all the gear/mats/etc., I consider that difficult. I suppose we could go over to the VMA threads and quip "what's so hard about clicking a button" but I'd guess that'd go over poorly, too.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Yeah, you're gonna want all your passives maxed and all research done before you start making jewelry. Should take about 6+ months?

VaranisArano

Isn't practically everything in this game a grindfest? This is no different.

jedtb16_ESO

reoskit wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

reoskit wrote: »

Holy cow. Digesting today's release of info.

Each crafting mat (ounce) is made up of 10 raw (dust). Fine.
Each trait mat is made up of 10 raw (pulverized)...
Each upgrade mat (bar) is made up of 10 raw (grains)...

Decon drops pulverized and grain - not full mats.

You cannot use a passive to research multiple traits at once, AND you cannot research traits for a necklace and a ring at once...

Get ready for a long hard slog, folks. I'm fine with investing time, but this is going to be laborious af.

since when was clicking a button hard?

I'm not entirely sure what your contribution to the discussion is here. Considering the amount of time it will take to farm up all the gear/mats/etc., I consider that difficult. I suppose we could go over to the VMA threads and quip "what's so hard about clicking a button" but I'd guess that'd go over poorly, too.

well...

will it take a while? sure.

does that make it hard or difficult? no.

same as a number of other things in the game - taking it back to day one before all of the side steps were available - research, bag space, bank space, mount training, getting motifs and recipes, learning runes and alchemy stuff. did it take time? sure.

was it hard? no.

is that better?

Mashille

I'm just a little disheartened that, as a Master Crafter, in order to be effective in Jewellery Crafting I am going to have to start doing things like trials...

I don't enjoy Trials.

reoskit

KRBMMO wrote: »

reoskit wrote: »

Holy cow. Digesting today's release of info.

Each crafting mat (ounce) is made up of 10 raw (dust). Fine.
Each trait mat is made up of 10 raw (pulverized)...
Each upgrade mat (bar) is made up of 10 raw (grains)...

Decon drops pulverized and grain - not full mats.

You cannot use a passive to research multiple traits at once, AND you cannot research traits for a necklace and a ring at once...

Get ready for a long hard slog, folks. I'm fine with investing time, but this is going to be laborious af.

So we've been waiting three years for something lots of people really wanted and begged for but given up hope to ever get it and then when it comes we are disappointed we cant grind it out in 2 days and on day three again have everything in the game accomplished and find something else to complain about.

such 'tis the MMO disease.

You've mischaracterized my tone. In the original post, I did note I'm fine investing the time. I'm simply pointing out the various aspects that will take more time than expected.

anitajoneb17_ESO

You're a bit wrong here.

Raw mat is dust, that can be refined into ounces. Ounces are used for crafting jewelry.
While refining, we'll randomly get grains. 10 grains will make 1 bar. Bar is used for upgrading jewelry.

Depending on HOW MANY bars we need to upgrade 1 piece of jewelry, it might not be more grindy than other crafting lines.

jcaceresw

Mashille wrote: »

I'm just a little disheartened that, as a Master Crafter, in order to be effective in Jewellery Crafting I am going to have to start doing things like trials...

I don't enjoy Trials.

I don't enjoy pledges, trials and PVP. Guess I must buy them and people may be charging a lot for them.

Ley

Mashille wrote: »

I'm just a little disheartened that, as a Master Crafter, in order to be effective in Jewellery Crafting I am going to have to start doing things like trials...

I don't enjoy Trials.

Or you could not do them and just buy the stuff you need from other players.

zaria

Mashille wrote: »

I'm just a little disheartened that, as a Master Crafter, in order to be effective in Jewellery Crafting I am going to have to start doing things like trials...

I don't enjoy Trials.

You can buy the items and the normal craglorn trials is pretty much an normal dungeon with more players.
The later normals is vet dungeon level but pretty easier ones.
You just need to know the mechanics.

RANKK7

Yes, reading that now and that's what I was thinking, big grindfest.
Long time for research (I guess crown store want to sell scrolls for that...) and bad news about the passive, no full mats is lack of mats, 10 raw, 10 raw, 10 raw, it seems nothing but there will be war for those nodes, skyrocketing prices from high to higher to even higher, until ZOS wake up and increase number per drop or put them in an event (in which case it will be done awfully, because ZOS is "too few" or "too much", there is nothing balanced ever).

At any rate, the general scenario for drops can be or not, though I agree with your "grindfest" first impression, no full mats (for base, for trait, even for upgrade! Seriously? All require the 10 for 1) it's much of a grind even if the drops would be decent, plus long time research part is enough for a big grind.

Silver_Strider

Welcome to Nirnhoned Grinding V2.0

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

The good news is, since research will take months, there is no hurry in getting those new mats. You should have more than enough saved up from casual game play by the time you are done with research and maxing your passives.

SaintSubwayy

Well lets break it down to the usefull traits in PVE, then it doesnt look that bad for research.

Mag DD: Arcane, Bloodthirsty, infused
Stam DD: Robust, Bloodthirsty, infused
Tank: Healthy, Triune, Infused, Harmony
Healer: Arcane, Infused, evtl. Protective

Keep in mind that we already have the 3 base jewelry on live, and the jewelry we already have is still useable. And we can instantly start researching the 3 base traits as soon as SS goes live. So they are prob done in max. 2 days.

It takes maybe 1-2 wees to get the desired traits for PVE jewelry for your main char.
I prob will take the following order;
Ring Infused -> Ring Bloodthirsty -> Necklace Infused -> Necklace Bloodthirsty -> Ring Arcane -> Becklace Arkane -> rest how I seem fit.

Furthermore we can already start to stack geodes / coffers in our inventories, so we can retrait as soon as we reseaeched the trait.

Jarryzzt

In terms of time, the big constraint is the cap on research (and, as well, their statement that "You cannot research a Trait for a ring and a Trait for a necklace simultaneously."). Meaning that if one wants to craft Hundings/Julianos/MA jewelry one would need to go 1-2-3-4-5-6 for rings (11 days 13 hours bare minimum at full passive and no gaps, realistically more like 2-3 weeks) and then repeat for necklaces. In other words somewhere on the order of 1-2 months to physically do the necessary research, assuming no crown scrolls (and, of course, someone will just use >9000 worth of crown scrolls...).

The standard crafting materials won't be a problem at all to gather. Turning upgrade and trait materials into a 10:1 scheme theoretically adds to the grind, but you also need fewer "full" materials (because there are only three jewelry slots per character - unless you're making stuff to trade), and gold can always paper over your needs in this respect (and gold grinding gets a bit more interesting with what they are doing to the economy with Summerset, IMO).

So I wouldn't really raise any alarms. To be sure, Alik'r dolmens and such are going to be just flooded by people for some period of time, but so what...

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Really what people ought to be discussing is locking one of the more useful traits behind PVP. Instant inflation (because more than a few PVE crafters will just buy the trait and mats in guild stores a la Nirnhoned). Maybe that is the point?

anitajoneb17_ESO

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

It takes maybe 1-2 wees to get the desired traits for PVE jewelry for your main char.
I prob will take the following order;

But the 6, 8 or 9 traits required to craft an object in the set you want well tale months of research. I think all meta sets at the moment require at least 5 traits to craft.

imnotanother

It will be a grind fest but hopefully people will be selling the mats at competitive prices.

anitajoneb17_ESO

imnotanother wrote: »

It will be a grind fest but hopefully people will be selling the mats at competitive prices.

competitive ? If it's rare it's gonna be expensive, there's no way around it.

supaskrub

is my math wrong or does it only take 64 days to research the traits on 1 item (ring).. and then a further 64 days to research all traits on the final item (neck)?.. without any time modifiers (eso+ etc being in effect)

128 days total does not seem like a lot to me considering that is for full 9 trait on both items, 6 trait will be a breeze to reach.

QuebraRegra

reoskit wrote: »

Holy cow. Digesting today's release of info.

Each crafting mat (ounce) is made up of 10 raw (dust). Fine.
Each trait mat is made up of 10 raw (pulverized)...
Each upgrade mat (bar) is made up of 10 raw (grains)...

Decon drops pulverized and grain - not full mats.

You cannot use a passive to research multiple traits at once, AND you cannot research traits for a necklace and a ring at once...

Get ready for a long hard slog, folks. I'm fine with investing time, but this is going to be laborious af.

y'know what... I think I'm done with the grind.

Caleb_Kadesh

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

It will be a grind fest but hopefully people will be selling the mats at competitive prices.

competitive ? If it's rare it's gonna be expensive, there's no way around it.

That is, by definition, the point.

Jayne_Doe

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

It takes maybe 1-2 wees to get the desired traits for PVE jewelry for your main char.

Depending on how long it takes an individual player to wee, that might not take long at all.

Jhalin

Caleb_Kadesh wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

It will be a grind fest but hopefully people will be selling the mats at competitive prices.

competitive ? If it's rare it's gonna be expensive, there's no way around it.

That is, by definition, the point.

I think you misunderstand what "competitive pricing" is.

Competitive pricing is setting the price of a product or service based on what the competition is charging

Aka, edging out competition via lower prices, which isn't gonna happen for a long time.

zaria

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

The good news is, since research will take months, there is no hurry in getting those new mats. You should have more than enough saved up from casual game play by the time you are done with research and maxing your passives.

Even if you can only research one item a time, I thought you could do two but still its one month to 6 traits who cover the most relevant sets. And all can farm raw materials.

Merlin13KAGL

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

It takes maybe 1-2 wees to get the desired traits for PVE jewelry for your main char.
I prob will take the following order;

But the 6, 8 or 9 traits required to craft an object in the set you want well tale months of research. I think all meta sets at the moment require at least 5 traits to craft.

Which means every current set combination on Live will still be viable next patch.

This will only affect double crafted sets.

If you're really interested in maximizing the time, you can research each trait on a different character, so the time will be minimum, at least for transmute purposes.

Ch4mpTW

Damn it, ZOS. You just had to make jewelry crafting another unnecessarily arduous process, didn’t you? Couldn’t just have things short and simple. Smfh.