legendary jewelry and deconstruction

Checkmath

ZoS stated, that only jewelry obtained after summerset comes life can be deconstructed for the upgrade materials. what about jewelry in mails? end campaign rewards, weekly trial rewards and even jewelry bought in a guildstore. i bet there will be issues about items obtained on ways like mails or similar things and people will take advantage from it. Please get this thing done right ZoS, otherwise it will cause some problems.

Turelus

In theory it all shouldn't be.

However PTS is where people will hopefully find and report such issues.

PlagueSD

Based on my knowledge of MMO games and how they work, I'd assume no. Anything "generated" before summerset will be in a specific item# range. Anything in this range will NOT be able to be deconstructed. Summerset jewelry will be in a separate item# range allowing it to be deconstructed.

Checkmath

when transmutation was introduced i logged once through my chars and on one char i suddenly got a campaign end reward from around two months ago and i was probably one of the first guys to transmute an item, since the reward granted me a geode with 50 crystals in it. also rewards of the worthy from days before can be opened to get the daily guaranteed geode from them. so i am sure that legendary jewelry from any rewards per mail will count as obtained, when they are taken up in the inventory. so maybe horting stuff in your mails is a way to exploit it. i just want ZoS to know this and that they address it, if they havent cosidered this possibility yet.

Checkmath

ok maybe items open in the mail will not count as soon as the mail is delivered, still campaign end rewards are delivered to a char when they log in the first time after the campaign ends. so my example for the transmutation geode might work, since the items get into the mails after summerset hits life. maybe also buying jewelry from guildstores and immediately logging out the day before SS comes will work too, since the items wont be in the mail before you have logged in again....

starkerealm

Stuff like containers, like the morag tong and ashlander dailies, should be deconnable if you don't open them before Summerset drops. Not that there's really a lot of reason to hold onto a box that might have a blue ring. But, still.

SugaComa

Has anyone confirmed old jewellery cannot be deconstructed, they said it can't be done for materials but never mentioned if it could be done for XP

Just wondering ?

Tabbycat

Current jewelry won't be deconstructable at all because they don't want people hoarding jewelry and then deconstructing it so they can level it faster than everyone else.

Checkmath

Yep but i really worry about weekly trial rewards and end campaign rewards, since it surely allows to receive a stack of legendary jewelry right after summerset comes. End campaign rewards can grant up to 5-6 legendary items, which all would be deconstructable right away.

gnarlyvandal

Tabbycat wrote: »

Current jewelry won't be deconstructable at all because they don't want people hoarding jewelry and then deconstructing it so they can level it faster than everyone else.

I don't see the point in this at all. Doesn't take long to level up a crafting skill anyway. just save 30,000 gold before summerset hits, give it a day or two for traders to be fully stocked of new jewellery and you'll be good to go... It's not like any of the current jewellery has the trait that increases experience from deconstruction.

Actually, wouldn't even need to do that, just run random normals or dolmens over and over, sell off non jewellery inventory and repeat. bags will be full in no time.

It looks like they're trying to fix something that isn't broken.

Researching traits takes a fixed time anyway so it can't even be viewed from the unfair advantage point of view.

Edit: My bad didn't see the 'Legendary' part of the title.

Dasovaruilos

gnarlyvandal wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

Current jewelry won't be deconstructable at all because they don't want people hoarding jewelry and then deconstructing it so they can level it faster than everyone else.

I don't see the point in this at all. Doesn't take long to level up a crafting skill anyway. just save 30,000 gold before summerset hits, give it a day or two for traders to be fully stocked of new jewellery and you'll be good to go... It's not like any of the current jewellery has the trait that increases experience from deconstruction.

Actually, wouldn't even need to do that, just run random normals or dolmens over and over, sell off non jewellery inventory and repeat. bags will be full in no time.

It looks like they're trying to fix something that isn't broken.

Researching traits takes a fixed time anyway so it can't even be viewed from the unfair advantage point of view.

Edit: My bad didn't see the 'Legendary' part of the title.

You will still be able to power level, just not as fast as if you would if you had 300 gold jewelry to decon the day the patch hits.

I don't necessarily agree, but I can definitely understand why they do not want this.

xxthir13enxx

My question would be....Will you be able to distinguish between “new” and “old” jewelry. Or will all jewelry in Guild Vendors etc. Look the same until you go throw the dice and see if it’s deconstructable?

Checkmath

I heard that there will be some kind of sign, if its deconstructable or not. Maybe something similar like the transmuted sign on your items.

zaria

PlagueSD wrote: »

Based on my knowledge of MMO games and how they work, I'd assume no. Anything "generated" before summerset will be in a specific item# range. Anything in this range will NOT be able to be deconstructed. Summerset jewelry will be in a separate item# range allowing it to be deconstructed.

We will get new materials, base material is pewter as seen in previews. The old materials can not be deconstructed but the new one can.
Note that its one possible exploit here, if you receive an box you can keep it in mail or in your inventory and open after summerset. it would then contain the new rings.
This can be seen on pvp rewards. Do pvp on an low level caracter, open the reward of the worthy on an cp160+ for cp160 items. i have an cp160 cadwell's lost robe simply by saving it until I had grinded to 50

Violynne

Checkmath wrote: »

ZoS stated, that only jewelry obtained after summerset comes life can be deconstructed for the upgrade materials. what about jewelry in mails? end campaign rewards, weekly trial rewards and even jewelry bought in a guildstore. i bet there will be issues about items obtained on ways like mails or similar things and people will take advantage from it. Please get this thing done right ZoS, otherwise it will cause some problems.

I don't think this will be possible.

As a statement of opinion, not fact, what I believe ZoS intends to do is release a new set of jewelry, which will consist of new IDs. This will allow players to keep what they have, but cannot be deconstructed since each piece has its own older ID.

Once Summerset is released, all in-game jewelry drops will use the new IDs.

I would also suspect ZoS will implement the crafting system such that only items with the new IDs will show up to be deconstructed.

Again, just an opinion, but this is most likely the easiest way to implement the new system.

Turelus

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

My question would be....Will you be able to distinguish between “new” and “old” jewelry. Or will all jewelry in Guild Vendors etc. Look the same until you go throw the dice and see if it’s deconstructable?

@xxthir13enxx yes. Confirmed by ZOS at PAX there will be a UI element (text I think) telling you what's old and new.

zaria

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

My question would be....Will you be able to distinguish between “new” and “old” jewelry. Or will all jewelry in Guild Vendors etc. Look the same until you go throw the dice and see if it’s deconstructable?

New materials, perhaps also marked some way. This is most relevant just after launch.

ZOS_Edward

Hi everyone!

We are currently working on an extensive Jewelry Crafting article that will go into more detail on all of the things the community is looking to find out about the new crafting system coming with Summerset.

Until then, here's some info we've clarified already:

• You will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you are holding on to prior to Summerset.
• You will be able to upgrade, transmute, and research existing jewelry.

Checkmath

so actually every reward from weeklies and end campaign can be deconstructed, when you take it in the inventory after SS hits life?
would be nice to have some clarification about that aswell @ZOS_Edward

DHale

Sigh, they already explained this.

mav1234

Despite the repeatedly poor wordings of various folks, and assuming this has not changed in the last few days, it has been confirmed on live stream (Pax East and elsewhere), that *jewelry that has dropped prior to Summerset will not be deconstructable*. Jewelry dropped after the release of Summerset will be.

Checkmath

We are already past this point. But we are looking at the definition of „dropped“. Is it meant like taken up to the inventory or does stuff in your mails count as dropped. Still a guaranteed way to obtain gold jewelry right after SS is there, seems to be rewards, which arent yet in your mail box.
Sigh i wish people would first read the whole thread before answering...

Cryptical

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hi everyone!

We are currently working on an extensive Jewelry Crafting article that will go into more detail on all of the things the community is looking to find out about the new crafting system coming with Summerset.

Until then, here's some info we've clarified already:

• You will not be able to deconstruct any jewelry you are holding on to prior to Summerset.
• You will be able to upgrade, transmute, and research existing jewelry.

Well there goes any reason for the Golden to sell jewelry. Why grind wgt on vet for purple spc rings if you can bump the blue rings to gold?

Dasovaruilos

Checkmath wrote: »

We are already past this point. But we are looking at the definition of „dropped“. Is it meant like taken up to the inventory or does stuff in your mails count as dropped. Still a guaranteed way to obtain gold jewelry right after SS is there, seems to be rewards, which arent yet in your mail box.
Sigh i wish people would first read the whole thread before answering...

I think "dropped" here means "generated".

Every jewelry that has been generated before the patch hits, won't be deconstructable.

If it is generated after the patch, it will be deconstructable, unless they change something.

Jewelry in containers is generated the moment you open then, not the moment you receive them. That is why you can open a RotW container earned by a sub level 50 character on a 160CP character and get 160CP gear. The same goes for earning a container with gear but only opening it after you've leveled up.

But I don't doubt that, once they see people stacking containers, they change that too.

kylewwefan

It’s been awhile, but some may still remember the grind for rubidite when V14 was bumped up to V16. I get the feeling that upgrade mats aren’t gonna be super common for awhile.

It took a flipping month to get enough to make a greatsword.

Guarantee these tempers are gonna be through the roof for awhile.

Oh and hoping to get a gold mat from deconstruct. Uh yeah. Sure a good group can farm VAA in 45 minutes or so, and hope to get lucky de-con stuff.

It’s another grind no doubt.

But is gonna make you so OP. I can’t wait!

Checkmath

Yeah probably. About the golden merchant, there are already threads, that she needs an update. Nobody will buy any golden jewelry anymore from her, since it needs ours to get the AP for one jewelry. Even for deconstructing its not worth it, since you get legendary jewelry much faster in ver trials, which is about 30 mins per run.

AlnilamE

Checkmath wrote: »

We are already past this point. But we are looking at the definition of „dropped“. Is it meant like taken up to the inventory or does stuff in your mails count as dropped. Still a guaranteed way to obtain gold jewelry right after SS is there, seems to be rewards, which arent yet in your mail box.
Sigh i wish people would first read the whole thread before answering...

It depends. I remember when they changed the world boss boxes in Wrothgar (I think to add Malacath motif pages), they changed the item codes of the boxes so only boxes that were received *after* the update had the motifs.

Best way to test it is to keep some mail unopened and when they copy our characters to the PTS open them and check.

LeagueTroll

Triune jewelry seems good.

Dasovaruilos

AlnilamE wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

We are already past this point. But we are looking at the definition of „dropped“. Is it meant like taken up to the inventory or does stuff in your mails count as dropped. Still a guaranteed way to obtain gold jewelry right after SS is there, seems to be rewards, which arent yet in your mail box.
Sigh i wish people would first read the whole thread before answering...

It depends. I remember when they changed the world boss boxes in Wrothgar (I think to add Malacath motif pages), they changed the item codes of the boxes so only boxes that were received *after* the update had the motifs.

Best way to test it is to keep some mail unopened and when they copy our characters to the PTS open them and check.

They did that a couple of times after that as well, I just don't remember exacly. I think the Writ containers? There was at least one other occasion where they changed the new containers so that people couln't hoard before. I just forgot the details.

geonsocal

Tabbycat wrote: »

Current jewelry won't be deconstructable at all because they don't want people hoarding jewelry and then deconstructing it so they can level it faster than everyone else.

which sucks...cuz, that's exactly what I wanted to do