Change to heavy attack and light attack damage

IcyDeadPeople

I read that next patch will increase the base damage for light and heavy attacks.

Does anyone know by how much?

Vaoh

Currently Magicka-based weapons scale off of your Spell Damage Stat, with a very tiny bit of scaling from Max Magicka.

Stamina weapons scale from Weapon Damage with a tiny bit of scaling from Max Stamina.

That’s my understanding anyway.

Next patch they will scale just like abilities do (Max Mag/Spell Dmg, Max Stam/Weapon Dmg). Apparently it increases their damage quite a bit. One playtester recalled Mag NB Flame Staff Light attacks hitting for 42K on a target dummy though idk any of the buffs around that number.

Knowledge

I think we need to wait for the PTS update to get exact numbers. However, Alcast said it was very high.

Checkmath

42k light attack should be possible with the new changes to empower.
but i thought only stave attacks now scale better, since stamina weapons attacks already scaled the better way. thats why everyone says, that magicka will be top notch again, since the stamina toons dont benefit.
therefore i assuma only staves didnt scale well till now, but dual wield, bow and 2h already did.

IcyDeadPeople

Checkmath wrote: »

42k light attack should be possible with the new changes to empower.
but i thought only stave attacks now scale better, since stamina weapons attacks already scaled the better way. thats why everyone says, that magicka will be top notch again, since the stamina toons dont benefit.
therefore i assuma only staves didnt scale well till now, but dual wield, bow and 2h already did.

Light attacks are doing more damage than heavy attacks?

Checkmath

no they dont, at least not now.
but they got buffed last summer and heavy attacks nerfed.
but they may do more damage than a heavy in summerset, when they are empowered. empower will grant you 40% more damage with the next light attack, that is the change ZoS wants to bring in with Summerset.

Bonzodog01

So....back to the ol Skyrim "kill everything with light attacks" then?

IcyDeadPeople

Checkmath wrote: »

but they may do more damage than a heavy in summerset, when they are empowered. empower will grant you 40% more damage with the next light attack

Yes, sorry that's what I meant, with the 40% buff. Seems like it might potentially result in significant balance problem if this buffs the overload light attacks

Septimus_Magna

Those high dmg numbers are a bit inflated. At ZOS the testers could do a target dummy parse with all raid buffs 100% up, something thats probably not going to happen in any real situation.

Many tested with one or more Bloodthirsty jewelry pieces so its probably during the execute phase with unrealistic amount of buffs that makes you deal 42k dmg with a light attack.

I have no idea how much light/heavy attacks currently scale with max resources. Just that spell/weapon dmg is the main scaling factor at the moment. If both factor in similar to skills its probably a dmg buff of something like 30-50%.

Tannus15

Checkmath wrote: »

42k light attack should be possible with the new changes to empower.
but i thought only stave attacks now scale better, since stamina weapons attacks already scaled the better way. thats why everyone says, that magicka will be top notch again, since the stamina toons dont benefit.
therefore i assuma only staves didnt scale well till now, but dual wield, bow and 2h already did.

I'm pretty sure they scale the same way, but in general stamina builds stack weapon damage where magicka builds stack max magicka so it'll be a larger buff for magi builds.

Some max stam sets might be more viable now however like draug hulk. We shall see.

Rohamad_Ali

42k LA .... OMG it's a casual's paradise .

Seraphayel

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

So....back to the ol Skyrim "kill everything with light attacks" then?

Finally light attack spamming bow users become the new meta of style.

Qbiken

Quoting someone from another thread, but on topic:

Aznox wrote: »

Check my previous post about LA and HA scaling :

Ok found it : https://alcasthq.com/eso-summerset-isles-changes-pre-pts/

Light and Heavy Attacks now scale differently, they now scale about the same with Magicka/ Stamina as with Spell/ Weapon damage. Therefore, weaving will be even more important from now on as the overall damage of both Light and Heavy Attacks got increased by a lot.

As always, the question to answer to know if this is a buff or a nerf is :

How does this affect us and how does this affect our opponents ?

To know that we need to answer a lot of other questions :

First we need to get the new light attack scaling equation ratio :
Are we going from 1 weapon damage = 40 max stamina to 1 weapon damage = 10 max stamina (same as skills) ?

If yes, pros, neutral and cons :
+ Our stamina opponents who usually focus on weapon damage will not benefit as much from the new ratio
= Werewolf kit has enhanced max stamina in the same way it has enhanced weapon damage, no loss here
- Our magicka opponents who usually focus on max resources will benefit more from the new ratio

After looking at the ratio, we need to look at the overall output of the formula :
Will light and heavy attack damage get a general buff because weapon damage scaling will stay the same and max stamina scaling will be increased ? (no compensation for the new ratio)

If yes, pros, neutral and cons :
+ quite a boost to our damage output
- also a boost to our opponents damage output
+ if light and heavy attacks is a bigger % of our damage output than our opponent's, then it's a buff to us

... i don't really have the time to go in-depth, but my general feeling is :

This will be an arms race that we start in a good position because light and heavy attack buff is good for us and max stamina is as much available to us than weapon damage

However this might remove some flavor to werewolf builds, more specifically our unique ability to focus on weapon damage while ignoring max stamina (only using our skills for utility) and stamina regen (thanks to heavy attack resource return). Also Pelinal's/Molag Kena might loose some appeal if stamina stacking gets to be the new optimum for us.

We might all end up with Shacklebreaker + Hulking Draugr ... or maybe not, much more calculations needed, but overall i would not worry that much

Currently LA and HA do scale with weapon/spell damage AND max resource, but the ratio is :

1 weapon/spell damage gives as much as 40 max resource for LA and HA damage

opposed to spell and abilities :

1 weapon/spell damage gives as much as 10,5 max resource for spells and abilities

This means weapon damage is a lot better at bosting LA/HA, part of the reason it's currently better to stack weapon damage than max stamina on werewolf.

The hinted change is that they will make LA/HA ratio 1/10,5 (same as abilities), this would mean a big boost to LA/HA for everyone if they only change this part of the equation. This would also mean it might be better to start stacking max resources instead of weapon damage.

Aznox wrote: »

Ok i've run some quick math to know where such a change would get us with our LA/HA damage ...

... and it's seems maybe too big of a change for them to only change the ratio, they would probably tune down the coef too because a 42% increase (value for my example werewolf build, it would be around 100% for a petsorc build ...) would have a very big impact on the overall game balance.

These are only predictions however and we don´t know exactly how the new scaling will be, but in the example above it´s what people suspect how it will be. And I can´t see things like this getting through to live.