Should I be doing 22k dps on a target dummy with these stats?

Gothlander

I'm an Imperial Stamplar wearing 2 kra'gh monster set, 5 spriggan and 5 hunding. All divines traits. All gear is purple and the weapons gold. The Warrior mundus. My hunding daggers one nirnhoned and the other infused trait. Bow hunding is precise. This is with the Dubious drink buff.





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GrigorijMalahevich

That crit is very low, but you should still do 22k easy

Gothlander

Valera Progib wrote: »

That crit is very low, but you should still do 22k easy

But people are saying I shoud be doing 27k. How do I reach 27k with my character?

Checkmath

Probably some minor issues with your rotation or weaving. Weaving light and heavy attacks is a big contribution to your dps. Also some uptimes of dots or buffs could be improved by adjusting your rotation. I just assume you use the weapon damage pots, otherwise this would have a heavy impact.

Yo_Donno

Why do you have points in piercing? Unless you're a PVP build. In which case, the dummy has nothing to do with your combat effectiveness.

You might benefit from a little CP reorganization.

Your penetration and crit are also pretty low, especially for a spriggan's build. Does someone have pierce armor or ransack on the dummy? Are you using weapon power/crit pots? Did you remember to add enchantments to your crafted hundings gear? What enchantments are you using on your weapons? Did you change your spriggan's jewelry enchants to weapon damage?

You might also benefit from golding out your gear. I would start with Hundings first. Once you get established you will probably end up trading Spriggan's for VO, Night Mother's or Sunderflame (if you're looking into being a trial's DPS) so I would hold off on the spriggans.

Little things can add up to a lot.

Gothlander

Yo_Donno wrote: »

Why do you have points in piercing? Unless you're a PVP build. In which case, the dummy has nothing to do with your combat effectiveness.

You might benefit from a little CP reorganization.

Your penetration and crit are also pretty low, especially for a spriggan's build. Does someone have pierce armor or ransack on the dummy? Are you using weapon power/crit pots? Did you remember to add enchantments to your crafted hundings gear? What enchantments are you using on your weapons? Did you change your spriggan's jewelry enchants to weapon damage?

Little things can add up to a lot.

Piercing is physical pen so its good for PVE. No one is hitting the dummy but me. Yes using the weapon power/crit potions. One dagger has poison damage enchantment and the other has weapon power chant. Rings have weapon damage enchants and neck has stam rec. All gear is enchanted with stam. I am not sure if I am weaving in light and heavy attacks correctly.

Waffennacht

Gothlander wrote: »

Yo_Donno wrote: »

Why do you have points in piercing? Unless you're a PVP build. In which case, the dummy has nothing to do with your combat effectiveness.

You might benefit from a little CP reorganization.

Your penetration and crit are also pretty low, especially for a spriggan's build. Does someone have pierce armor or ransack on the dummy? Are you using weapon power/crit pots? Did you remember to add enchantments to your crafted hundings gear? What enchantments are you using on your weapons? Did you change your spriggan's jewelry enchants to weapon damage?

Little things can add up to a lot.

Piercing is physical pen so its good for PVE. No one is hitting the dummy but me. Yes using the weapon power/crit potions. One dagger has poison damage enchantment and the other has weapon power chant. Rings have weapon damage enchants and neck has stam rec. All gear is enchanted with stam. I am not sure if I am weaving in light and heavy attacks correctly.

Keep in mind that the stats people are saying may include someone providing major fracture (8% more damage, or roughly 2k more do for you) and/or major/minor force (could be 5-15% dmg more) etc. With that in mind you would hit 27k dps

Gothlander

Waffennacht wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

Yo_Donno wrote: »

Why do you have points in piercing? Unless you're a PVP build. In which case, the dummy has nothing to do with your combat effectiveness.

You might benefit from a little CP reorganization.

Your penetration and crit are also pretty low, especially for a spriggan's build. Does someone have pierce armor or ransack on the dummy? Are you using weapon power/crit pots? Did you remember to add enchantments to your crafted hundings gear? What enchantments are you using on your weapons? Did you change your spriggan's jewelry enchants to weapon damage?

Little things can add up to a lot.

Piercing is physical pen so its good for PVE. No one is hitting the dummy but me. Yes using the weapon power/crit potions. One dagger has poison damage enchantment and the other has weapon power chant. Rings have weapon damage enchants and neck has stam rec. All gear is enchanted with stam. I am not sure if I am weaving in light and heavy attacks correctly.

Keep in mind that the stats people are saying may include someone providing major fracture (8% more damage, or roughly 2k more do for you) and/or major/minor force (could be 5-15% dmg more) etc. With that in mind you would hit 27k dps

Ah. So I am ok then doing 22k without those debuffs? Sweet, I'm not doing anything wrong.

Yo_Donno

Gothlander wrote: »

Yo_Donno wrote: »

Why do you have points in piercing? Unless you're a PVP build. In which case, the dummy has nothing to do with your combat effectiveness.

You might benefit from a little CP reorganization.

Your penetration and crit are also pretty low, especially for a spriggan's build. Does someone have pierce armor or ransack on the dummy? Are you using weapon power/crit pots? Did you remember to add enchantments to your crafted hundings gear? What enchantments are you using on your weapons? Did you change your spriggan's jewelry enchants to weapon damage?

Little things can add up to a lot.

Piercing is physical pen so its good for PVE. No one is hitting the dummy but me. Yes using the weapon power/crit potions. One dagger has poison damage enchantment and the other has weapon power chant. Rings have weapon damage enchants and neck has stam rec. All gear is enchanted with stam. I am not sure if I am weaving in light and heavy attacks correctly.

Im sorry, I mixed Piercing up with a different CP star. You are correct. Given this, though, MOST stamina builds are at penetration cap without any points into piercing and without any spriggans gear on with the correct debuffs applied by tanks and healers to the dummy, so a lot of times guilds will expect you to run 0 into penetration because that's what you would be running in a trial, and their required DPS numbers are based off of what you should be hitting with 0 into penetration.

Also, try replacing the necklace enchanted with stam recovery with a third damage glyph. Might make a bit of difference. You should have enough regen to do a rotation with like one or two heavies.

WrathOfInnos

Are you using weapon power/weapon crit/restore stamina potions?

If you want to do damage as a Stamplar I would recommend Nos's build. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/273690/the-sting-nos-stamplar-dps-guide-dragon-bones-dlc-ready/p1

Gothlander

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Are you using weapon power/weapon crit/restore stamina potions?

If you want to do damage as a Stamplar I would recommend Nos's build. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/273690/the-sting-nos-stamplar-dps-guide-dragon-bones-dlc-ready/p1

Yes I am using the potions. Will check out the build.

SquareSausage

Yo_Donno wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

Yo_Donno wrote: »

Why do you have points in piercing? Unless you're a PVP build. In which case, the dummy has nothing to do with your combat effectiveness.

You might benefit from a little CP reorganization.

Your penetration and crit are also pretty low, especially for a spriggan's build. Does someone have pierce armor or ransack on the dummy? Are you using weapon power/crit pots? Did you remember to add enchantments to your crafted hundings gear? What enchantments are you using on your weapons? Did you change your spriggan's jewelry enchants to weapon damage?

Little things can add up to a lot.

Piercing is physical pen so its good for PVE. No one is hitting the dummy but me. Yes using the weapon power/crit potions. One dagger has poison damage enchantment and the other has weapon power chant. Rings have weapon damage enchants and neck has stam rec. All gear is enchanted with stam. I am not sure if I am weaving in light and heavy attacks correctly.

Im sorry, I mixed Piercing up with a different CP star. You are correct. Given this, though, MOST stamina builds are at penetration cap without any points into piercing and without any spriggans gear on with the correct debuffs applied by tanks and healers to the dummy, so a lot of times guilds will expect you to run 0 into penetration because that's what you would be running in a trial, and their required DPS numbers are based off of what you should be hitting with 0 into penetration.

Also, try replacing the necklace enchanted with stam recovery with a third damage glyph. Might make a bit of difference. You should have enough regen to do a rotation with like one or two heavies.

For a dummy test he wants as much penetration as can get him to the cap thats why CP put there and spriggans. There isnt a raid providing sunderflame, nmg and Alkosh behind him.

And he pulling 22k dps so i highly doube hes in a group providing all those debuffs.

but to answer OP ye you can get 22k np with those stats imo.

Yo_Donno

SquareSausage wrote: »

For a dummy test he wants as much penetration as can get him to the cap thats why CP put there and spriggans. There isnt a raid providing sunderflame, nmg and Alkosh behind him.

And he pulling 22k dps so i highly doube hes in a group providing all those debuffs.

but to answer OP ye you can get 22k np with those stats imo.

I understand that there is no raid behind him, I am just letting him know that if, presumably, he is trying to raise his parse so that he can get into a raiding guild, that they will most likely expect him to not have any CP into the piercing star.

Yo_Donno

@Gothlander I am still trying to help you and understand a few things about the issue. Your penetration and crit still look low to me, especially for a stam build using dual daggers and spriggans. Is it possible that you don't have your Medium Armor and Dual Wield passives filled out all the way?

EDIT: Also, bow passives?

klowdy1

Yo_Donno wrote: »

Why do you have points in piercing? Unless you're a PVP build. In which case, the dummy has nothing to do with your combat effectiveness.

You might benefit from a little CP reorganization.

Your penetration and crit are also pretty low, especially for a spriggan's build. Does someone have pierce armor or ransack on the dummy? Are you using weapon power/crit pots? Did you remember to add enchantments to your crafted hundings gear? What enchantments are you using on your weapons? Did you change your spriggan's jewelry enchants to weapon damage?

You might also benefit from golding out your gear. I would start with Hundings first. Once you get established you will probably end up trading Spriggan's for VO, Night Mother's or Sunderflame (if you're looking into being a trial's DPS) so I would hold off on the spriggans.

Little things can add up to a lot.

Alcast's builds for stam all have piercing in them. I'm not saying he is the absolute end all of theorycrafters, but he is very good at what he does in this game. If he says it's good, it may be worth it to try out.

Yo_Donno

klowdy1 wrote: »

Alcast's builds for stam all have piercing in them. I'm not saying he is the absolute end all of theorycrafters, but he is very good at what he does in this game. If he says it's good, it may be worth it to try out.

Yeah. I had mixed up piercing with the other CP star named something similar. The one that deals extra damage to enemies with shields.

Penetration is of course, necessary. What I am trying to say is that many raid guilds want you to run CP elsewhere, because your build will already be at pen cap with buffs they provide in raid. Therefore, their standards for what you should be hitting solo will take into account the fact that you won't have any CP in piercing. Even though you *could* raise your solo parse by stacking points into pen, a good deal of people would consider that to be a parse cheese.

This is all assuming a trials context though, which the OP, I will admit, gave no indication that he was involved with. If it turns out that you just want to improve your parse for personal reasons, or for running dungeons or vMA then you can reasonably ignore my warning.

I really am just trying to help

klowdy1

Yo_Donno wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

Alcast's builds for stam all have piercing in them. I'm not saying he is the absolute end all of theorycrafters, but he is very good at what he does in this game. If he says it's good, it may be worth it to try out.

Yeah. I had mixed up piercing with the other CP star named something similar. The one that deals extra damage to enemies with shields.

Penetration is of course, necessary. What I am trying to say is that many raid guilds want you to run CP elsewhere, because your build will already be at pen cap with buffs they provide in raid. Therefore, their standards for what you should be hitting solo will take into account the fact that you won't have any CP in piercing. Even though you *could* raise your solo parse by stacking points into pen, a good deal of people would consider that to be a parse cheese.

This is all assuming a trials context though, which the OP, I will admit, gave no indication that he was involved with. If it turns out to be that you just want to improve your parse for personal reasons, or for running dungeons or vMA then you can reasonably ignore my warning.

I really am just trying to help

I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is that all of alcast's stam builds, made for raiding, have piercing in them. The build link above, made for raising, has piercing in it. All of the builds before HoR were void of piercing, but now, there is a little bit in all of them I see from respected members of the community. There may be something to that. Maybe new weapon enchants, or gear choice, but it is a part of raid builds now.

MehrunesFlagon

klowdy1 wrote: »

Yo_Donno wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

Alcast's builds for stam all have piercing in them. I'm not saying he is the absolute end all of theorycrafters, but he is very good at what he does in this game. If he says it's good, it may be worth it to try out.

Yeah. I had mixed up piercing with the other CP star named something similar. The one that deals extra damage to enemies with shields.

Penetration is of course, necessary. What I am trying to say is that many raid guilds want you to run CP elsewhere, because your build will already be at pen cap with buffs they provide in raid. Therefore, their standards for what you should be hitting solo will take into account the fact that you won't have any CP in piercing. Even though you *could* raise your solo parse by stacking points into pen, a good deal of people would consider that to be a parse cheese.

This is all assuming a trials context though, which the OP, I will admit, gave no indication that he was involved with. If it turns out to be that you just want to improve your parse for personal reasons, or for running dungeons or vMA then you can reasonably ignore my warning.

I really am just trying to help

I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is that all of alcast's stam builds, made for raiding, have piercing in them. The build link above, made for raising, has piercing in it. All of the builds before HoR were void of piercing, but now, there is a little bit in all of them I see from respected members of the community. There may be something to that. Maybe new weapon enchants, or gear choice, but it is a part of raid builds now.

If I'm thinking right that was right around the time of the weapon trait changes/sharpened nerf.You didn't see people putting points into pen at all when sharpened was bis.

klowdy1

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

Yo_Donno wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

Alcast's builds for stam all have piercing in them. I'm not saying he is the absolute end all of theorycrafters, but he is very good at what he does in this game. If he says it's good, it may be worth it to try out.

Yeah. I had mixed up piercing with the other CP star named something similar. The one that deals extra damage to enemies with shields.

Penetration is of course, necessary. What I am trying to say is that many raid guilds want you to run CP elsewhere, because your build will already be at pen cap with buffs they provide in raid. Therefore, their standards for what you should be hitting solo will take into account the fact that you won't have any CP in piercing. Even though you *could* raise your solo parse by stacking points into pen, a good deal of people would consider that to be a parse cheese.

This is all assuming a trials context though, which the OP, I will admit, gave no indication that he was involved with. If it turns out to be that you just want to improve your parse for personal reasons, or for running dungeons or vMA then you can reasonably ignore my warning.

I really am just trying to help

I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is that all of alcast's stam builds, made for raiding, have piercing in them. The build link above, made for raising, has piercing in it. All of the builds before HoR were void of piercing, but now, there is a little bit in all of them I see from respected members of the community. There may be something to that. Maybe new weapon enchants, or gear choice, but it is a part of raid builds now.

If I'm thinking right that was right around the time of the weapon trait changes/sharpened nerf.You didn't see people putting points into pen at all when sharpened was bis.

That's what I assumed. I know one enchant is now born, not sure if the other is sharpened, or the one that huffs weapon enchants (I just lost the name).

Gothlander

Yo_Donno wrote: »

@Gothlander I am still trying to help you and understand a few things about the issue. Your penetration and crit still look low to me, especially for a stam build using dual daggers and spriggans. Is it possible that you don't have your Medium Armor and Dual Wield passives filled out all the way?

EDIT: Also, bow passives?

All my bow, medium armor and dagger passives are full. I am an Imperial so I don't have the racials for crit I guess. And I want to do trials and Vet Falkreath.

jkolb2030

Those stats should be fine for 22k DPS - you should be able to see more as well on a solo parse.

Your imperial racial will have little effect on your damage.

Yo_Donno wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

Alcast's builds for stam all have piercing in them. I'm not saying he is the absolute end all of theorycrafters, but he is very good at what he does in this game. If he says it's good, it may be worth it to try out.

Yeah. I had mixed up piercing with the other CP star named something similar. The one that deals extra damage to enemies with shields.

Penetration is of course, necessary. What I am trying to say is that many raid guilds want you to run CP elsewhere, because your build will already be at pen cap with buffs they provide in raid. Therefore, their standards for what you should be hitting solo will take into account the fact that you won't have any CP in piercing. Even though you *could* raise your solo parse by stacking points into pen, a good deal of people would consider that to be a parse cheese.

This is all assuming a trials context though, which the OP, I will admit, gave no indication that he was involved with. If it turns out that you just want to improve your parse for personal reasons, or for running dungeons or vMA then you can reasonably ignore my warning.

I really am just trying to help

Yeah, most optimized raid groups are hitting the pen cap - but you are putting a lot of faith in 100% uptime on everything if you do not run any piercing in your CP, also hindering your ad clears since you cant really get all debuffs on all of the ads all of the time. Of course, this is also all dependent on skill and performance levels of said trial group.

I think the calculations is that anywhere from 14-17 CP into piercing will get you to max pen in a raid, assuming all buffs are up.

Waffennacht

A lot of players maximize solo stats for dps screenshots (like to get in a guild) then will adjust for group play.

I.e. if you read Alcast's website, he has listed the set up for group play, but for the dps screenshots changes to Lover Stone and more penetration.

Destruent

Why is your weapon damage so low and your regen that high?

When playing stamplar actively (until february this year) i usually had ~4k wep-dmg and less than 800 regen while using sets like war machine/NMG...so no big wep-dmg boost through sets.

But anyway...stats should be fine for even 30k+ dps...gear has not that big impact. It's mostly rotation and groupbuffs.

edit: stats without potions/anything...