Is there a reason two towns are close to ad that can be captured while there is only one north

TequilaFire

If it is as close to AD tri keeps as you say then it should be quicker for you get to to defend or capture as well.
That knife cuts two ways.

Beardimus

This thread is ALLL over the place

Dudes trying to make a point grammer police pwn him

Now we saying emp keep aren't equidistant

Maps pretty symmetrical no if you turn it and out your alliance at the bottom

I'm zorsted

Sandman929

AD's got a point though, IMO. If I see DC owns Vlas or Cropsford, I think of it as quick access to AD home keeps. I never see Cropford is blue and think "wow, that's just a quick stroll to EP's home keeps". The southern-most bridge from Cropsford to AD's keeps is basically barren, and you're unlikely to meet any resistance on the way to Bloodmayne or Faregyl. Bruma is a nice even split for EP and DC.
I don't know if town ownership really ever makes or breaks a campaign though, but maybe it's a different story if I were AD.

Minno

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

you will note that 97% and Greater of the time you are in cryodiil that EP owns both Cropsford And Drake, showing it red on the Map.
that is a constant event that you can count on, because those are both EP Territory.

Easy to say that when 2 of the towns are close to AD trikeeps/gatekeeps.

Check how far Bruma is from Warden/Rayles and especially how far Cropsford is from Farragut/Kingscrest and say again that the towns are balanced. How delusional are you trying to defend this?

Aside from hyperbole about the percentage of time EP maintains ownership of Drake, what was inaccurate here?

He didn't even defend it, per se, just stated that Crops is in EP territory.

Which it is, as anything north of the Upper Niben River (ya know, that river that runs from Lake Rumare to Bravil and then off the map?) is EP homeland. Crops is north of the Niben, so yeah, EP territory.

Is it the most distant of the towns from a friendly keep? Yes. Is it very near the AD / EP border (the River)? Yeah, it's pretty close.

Well then the original post didn't say wether the town was in EP or AD territory, but that it is to close to AD trikeeps while being to far away from EP ones. Which it is and it's unbalanced.

Dwemer wrote as if it was okay just because it's in "EP territory. It's not and it shouldn't be there plain and simple.

Its placement is the unfortunate side affect of the map being designed when towns were never initially meant to be spawn points, plus trying to maintain some fidelity (if only a little) to the Cyrodiil map from TES IV: Oblivion.

Due to the amount of effort it would take with regards to map design to move Cropsford, I seriously doubt it'll get moved, either.

And yes, Cropsford is the most 'out there' town. Bruma and Vlast are both closer to their own respective outpost keeps and allow for deeper access into their owner's home territory when taken than Cropsford does. That's just reality.

OTOH, we're stuck with the dumpster fire of a keep that is Kingscrest, so there's that when it comes to how much map BS that EP has to put up with as well. (Who builds a keep next to a cliff instead of on top of it? WTF?)

Imperials; the dumbest race second to dirty elves.

Jake1576

The placement of the towns that are captureable is just outrageous wheeler makes one post in two years or so and completely ignores things that people have suggested are broken emp system is broken towns are broken and a bunch of other stuff is also faction lock needs to happen again the majority agree it does how is anyone suppose to take pvp competitive in the shape it is in right now pvp is the life blood of this game and it deserves more attention then it gets without it lots of players would of already got bored and quit the game i know i don't use punctuations if you don't like it don't read it lol

zyk

Beardimus wrote: »

This thread is ALLL over the place

Dudes trying to make a point grammer police pwn him

Now we saying emp keep aren't equidistant

Maps pretty symmetrical no if you turn it and out your alliance at the bottom

I'm zorsted

The original layout of Cyrodiil objectives was rotationally symmetrical. When the towns were added as objectives, the rotational symmetry was broken.

It could potentially be restored with a new type of objective that works similarly to a town if placed appropriately.

Rohamad_Ali

On the flip side of the coin it makes defending home keeps easier if AD holds those towns near there home keeps and treats them as important objectives . But that would be a glass half full post not indicative of the forums so apologies in advance .

DaveMoeDee

Jake1576 wrote: »

The placement of the towns that are captureable is just outrageous wheeler makes one post in two years or so and completely ignores things that people have suggested are broken emp system is broken towns are broken and a bunch of other stuff is also faction lock needs to happen again the majority agree it does how is anyone suppose to take pvp competitive in the shape it is in right now pvp is the life blood of this game and it deserves more attention then it gets without it lots of players would of already got bored and quit the game i know i don't use punctuations if you don't like it don't read it lol

There are meds that can help you.

Sandman929

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

On the flip side of the coin it makes defending home keeps easier if AD holds those towns near there home keeps and treats them as important objectives . But that would be a glass half full post not indicative of the forums so apologies in advance .

It's true. I don't know if they do that on PC, but they don't on XBox. If I were on AD, I'd probably forget Brindle existed and pretend Drakelowe was a home keep of mine. That river with it's chokepoint bridges is great. Towns are quick captures and quick spawns near keeps to move around AD's area.

Jake1576

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

The placement of the towns that are captureable is just outrageous wheeler makes one post in two years or so and completely ignores things that people have suggested are broken emp system is broken towns are broken and a bunch of other stuff is also faction lock needs to happen again the majority agree it does how is anyone suppose to take pvp competitive in the shape it is in right now pvp is the life blood of this game and it deserves more attention then it gets without it lots of players would of already got bored and quit the game i know i don't use punctuations if you don't like it don't read it lol

There are meds that can help you.

Awesome you got some lol

danno8

Sandman929 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

On the flip side of the coin it makes defending home keeps easier if AD holds those towns near there home keeps and treats them as important objectives . But that would be a glass half full post not indicative of the forums so apologies in advance .

It's true. I don't know if they do that on PC, but they don't on XBox. If I were on AD, I'd probably forget Brindle existed and pretend Drakelowe was a home keep of mine. That river with it's chokepoint bridges is great. Towns are quick captures and quick spawns near keeps to move around AD's area.

Except Brindle is worth double the points as a home keep. Including the resources that would be like giving up 4 points per hour for the duration of the campaign, which translates to 3000 points over the 30 day duration.

Joy_Division

No wonder AD is always complaining about getting double teamed and "Purple Alliance" - it's convinced that regions of Cyrodiil that are EP's home territory is rightfully there's.

TequilaFire

Yep! lol

Apache_Kid

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

On the flip side of the coin it makes defending home keeps easier if AD holds those towns near there home keeps and treats them as important objectives . But that would be a glass half full post not indicative of the forums so apologies in advance .

The problem is that the zerglings don't play defense, especially at a location so far out of the way. So we either have to be taken advantage of or spend time and resources defending it. Why can't the map just have everything evenly placed with every alliance having one village that can be captured behind their one fringe keep.

Move Crops behind Drakelowe and Bruma behind Dclaw. Leave Vlastrus behind Brindle.

Soul_Demon

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Regardless of which keeps belong to who, he is right. In order to be balanced Cropsford should be west or north of Drakelowe.
- Bruma is south and slightly west of Dragonclaw (slightly DC placement)
- Vlastarus is south of Brindle (completely AD placement)
- Cropsford should have a placement closer to EP

If you think that the towns are a problem, whatever you do ....don't count the number of wells behind homekeep lines for the factions.....don't do it.

DoctorESO

NoTimeToWait wrote: »

The fact that you are a troll or not a native speaker is not a reason not to put some punctuation to make your idea more coherent

Nice triple negative.

Goshua

Because they put a mountain and other crappy terrain on the map where it should've been.

geonsocal

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

The placement of the towns that are captureable is just outrageous wheeler makes one post in two years or so and completely ignores things that people have suggested are broken emp system is broken towns are broken and a bunch of other stuff is also faction lock needs to happen again the majority agree it does how is anyone suppose to take pvp competitive in the shape it is in right now pvp is the life blood of this game and it deserves more attention then it gets without it lots of players would of already got bored and quit the game i know i don't use punctuations if you don't like it don't read it lol

There are meds that can help you.

Jake1576 wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

The placement of the towns that are captureable is just outrageous wheeler makes one post in two years or so and completely ignores things that people have suggested are broken emp system is broken towns are broken and a bunch of other stuff is also faction lock needs to happen again the majority agree it does how is anyone suppose to take pvp competitive in the shape it is in right now pvp is the life blood of this game and it deserves more attention then it gets without it lots of players would of already got bored and quit the game i know i don't use punctuations if you don't like it don't read it lol

There are meds that can help you.

Awesome you got some lol

that *** had me rolling...that was too funny

gabriebe

DC has Aleswell, the most BS keep to defend on the whole map. AD's got nothing to complain about lol

TequilaFire

Goshua wrote: »

Because they put a mountain and other crappy terrain on the map where it should've been.

You will need to complain to Lorkhan and the eight Divines about that.

Maura_Neysa

gabriebe wrote: »

DC has Aleswell, the most BS keep to defend on the whole map. AD's got nothing to complain about lol

Why is Aleswell any more BS to hold than Roebeck? Both open land, with the town close by and on the same side of the wall as the outpost? At least with BRK the town is farther away.

TequilaFire

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

gabriebe wrote: »

DC has Aleswell, the most BS keep to defend on the whole map. AD's got nothing to complain about lol

Why is Aleswell any more BS to hold than Roebeck? Both open land, with the town close by and on the same side of the wall as the outpost? At least with BRK the town is farther away.

Because like Kingscrest it can be reached by enemy siege location that can't be reached by defense counter siege.
No Keep/Fort designer would have placement like that.

Maura_Neysa

TequilaFire wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

gabriebe wrote: »

DC has Aleswell, the most BS keep to defend on the whole map. AD's got nothing to complain about lol

Why is Aleswell any more BS to hold than Roebeck? Both open land, with the town close by and on the same side of the wall as the outpost? At least with BRK the town is farther away.

Because like Kingscrest it can be reached by enemy siege location that can't be reached by defense counter siege.
No Keep/Fort designer would have placement like that.

Ah true, the back wall

Agrippa_Invisus

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

gabriebe wrote: »

DC has Aleswell, the most BS keep to defend on the whole map. AD's got nothing to complain about lol

Why is Aleswell any more BS to hold than Roebeck? Both open land, with the town close by and on the same side of the wall as the outpost? At least with BRK the town is farther away.

Because like Kingscrest it can be reached by enemy siege location that can't be reached by defense counter siege.
No Keep/Fort designer would have placement like that.

Ah true, the back wall

The back wall AND the farm.

Common EP tactic at Aleswell is to festoon the farm with siege and then smash the living crud out of DC repeatedly on the stairs or south hill until they're all on camp cooldown and we waltz into the keep.

From the north wall, both inner and outer can be sieged down before even entering the keep.

ErMurazor

the ignorance in this thread, geez. Which keeps belongs to who has nothing to do with this. Bruma should move into the aleswell/dragonclaw/warden triangle. and crops should move into the brk/drake/farra triangle. Then all towns have the same placement. Whats so hard to understand?

Apache_Kid

ErMurazor wrote: »

the ignorance in this thread, geez. Which keeps belongs to who has nothing to do with this. Bruma should move into the aleswell/dragonclaw/warden triangle. and crops should move into the brk/drake/farra triangle. Then all towns have the same placement. Whats so hard to understand?

Basic geometrical concepts can be difficult for people on here apparently.

TequilaFire

Apache_Kid wrote: »

ErMurazor wrote: »

the ignorance in this thread, geez. Which keeps belongs to who has nothing to do with this. Bruma should move into the aleswell/dragonclaw/warden triangle. and crops should move into the brk/drake/farra triangle. Then all towns have the same placement. Whats so hard to understand?

Basic geometrical concepts can be difficult for people on here apparently.

So now we move towns to suit your whining.
Lorkhan is laughing.

Apache_Kid

TequilaFire wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

ErMurazor wrote: »

the ignorance in this thread, geez. Which keeps belongs to who has nothing to do with this. Bruma should move into the aleswell/dragonclaw/warden triangle. and crops should move into the brk/drake/farra triangle. Then all towns have the same placement. Whats so hard to understand?

Basic geometrical concepts can be difficult for people on here apparently.

So now we move towns to suit your whining.
Lorkhan is laughing.

How is it whining? It's a legitimate concern. Why is AD the only alliance with not only 1 but TWO capture-able spawn points behind their fringe keep when neither other alliance has 1?

Yeah you can say "well it can be a bonus if you defend it" but this creates two other important objectives that time and energy has to be spent maintaining. No other alliance has to make this trade-off of having it be either a blessing or a curse.

Dismissing legitimate concerns as "whining" is really lame.

ErMurazor

TequilaFire wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

ErMurazor wrote: »

the ignorance in this thread, geez. Which keeps belongs to who has nothing to do with this. Bruma should move into the aleswell/dragonclaw/warden triangle. and crops should move into the brk/drake/farra triangle. Then all towns have the same placement. Whats so hard to understand?

Basic geometrical concepts can be difficult for people on here apparently.

So now we move towns to suit your whining.
Lorkhan is laughing.

No, we move towns to balance the map.

Joy_Division

Apache_Kid wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

ErMurazor wrote: »

the ignorance in this thread, geez. Which keeps belongs to who has nothing to do with this. Bruma should move into the aleswell/dragonclaw/warden triangle. and crops should move into the brk/drake/farra triangle. Then all towns have the same placement. Whats so hard to understand?

Basic geometrical concepts can be difficult for people on here apparently.

So now we move towns to suit your whining.
Lorkhan is laughing.

How is it whining? It's a legitimate concern. Why is AD the only alliance with not only 1 but TWO capture-able spawn points behind their fringe keep when neither other alliance has 1?

Yeah you can say "well it can be a bonus if you defend it" but this creates two other important objectives that time and energy has to be spent maintaining. No other alliance has to make this trade-off of having it be either a blessing or a curse.

Dismissing legitimate concerns as "whining" is really lame.

It's whining because it isn't all the important. You want ZOS to take hours and hours literally moving mountains just to make these insignificant towns symmetrical. I can literally think of 101 more "legitimate concerns" just about Cyrodiil PvP, let alone the entire game of Elder Scrolls Online, than town placement.

AD is not the only alliance with two capture spawn points. Cropsford is literally in EP territory. If that's "behind AD fringe keep," then Bruma counts just as much, more so because the town is a lot closer to both Dragonclaw and Bleakers than it is either Sej or Drakelowe.

The same thing can be said for DC. If anything DC probably has it worse because the aforementioned Bruma is right next door to two of their border keeps. AD wants to argue Crops, way inside EP territory, is unbalancing close to their stuff but reject that argument for Valsterus and DC.

All that being said, who cares? If you AD want to take Cropsford and use it an this key strategic bridgehead to invade EP territory, that's fine. Please do. I like having a warning to go to Drakelowe bc/ the keep is a PITA to get to otherwise. If it really bothers you that EP can shave 30 seconds of the transit time spawning at Crops instead of Drraeklowe to hit BloodMayne, then stop faction-stacking and have a couple of AD simply go and take the dumb town. But why even bother? The DC guild BOD loves to PvDoor Kingscrest keep and it's such an insignificant move that EP just makes fun of them for doing so.