Motif Prices in Guild Trader After Anniversary Event

BRCOURTN

This event happened last year with the type of award system. Certain motif pages were very skewed in price during the event and also immediately afterwards. My question is, about how long did it take after the event for motifs like Akviri to go back to normal pricing in guild traders?

Cpt_Teemo

Most won't recover ever tbh

Vanthras79

BRCOURTN wrote: »

This event happened last year with the type of award system. Certain motif pages were very skewed in price during the event and also immediately afterwards. My question is, about how long did it take after the event for motifs like Akviri to go back to normal pricing in guild traders?

Since they are account bound, the market should now favor the buyer. It is not as much as a seller's market as it once was.

BRCOURTN

I feel like people are better able to prepare for the event this year as well... good time for collectors, bad time for vendors

Cpt_Teemo

Vanthras79 wrote: »

BRCOURTN wrote: »

This event happened last year with the type of award system. Certain motif pages were very skewed in price during the event and also immediately afterwards. My question is, about how long did it take after the event for motifs like Akviri to go back to normal pricing in guild traders?

Since they are account bound, the market should now favor the buyer. It is not as much as a seller's market as it once was.

Motifs aren't account wide its just the cosmetic that is to apply the appearance, but yeah basically its account wide in a way

Violynne

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Motifs aren't account wide its just the cosmetic that is to apply the appearance, but yeah basically its account wide in a way

The Outfit system kind of screwed up the motif armor build, slightly. If some of us can't actually craft the armor, at least we can look like we did.

Cpt_Teemo

Violynne wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Motifs aren't account wide its just the cosmetic that is to apply the appearance, but yeah basically its account wide in a way

The Outfit system kind of screwed up the motif armor build, slightly. If some of us can't actually craft the armor, at least we can look like we did.

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BRCOURTN

Violynne wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Motifs aren't account wide its just the cosmetic that is to apply the appearance, but yeah basically its account wide in a way

The Outfit system kind of screwed up the motif armor build, slightly. If some of us can't actually craft the armor, at least we can look like we did.

Yeah that definitely helps with the demand, but the supply is about to be outrageous! I’m thinking of putting every motif I receive and have already learned in one of those storage chests and sitting on them for 6-8 months before attempting to sell

supaskrub

They did not recover very well at all after the last event, the only ones that really held their value where the DLC motifs which did not drop (or if they did they were exceedingly rare), sure they recovered slightly after 2-3 months but they never held the value that they had once held, Glass and Ra Gada being perfect examples. A good time for motif collectors but a bad time for motif sellers as the market gets absolutely flooded with the things at stupidly low prices, i recall picking up Akaviri on many occasions at 10-15k without even having to shop around for bargains.

myskyrim26

This already made me think over the problem: what should I do with my motifs? I'll sure get a lot of doubles as my motif collection is already big enough. What can I do:
- sell ot trade them immediately. Trade sounds pretty good for me, but I rarely come across the match - me having something useful for a player and a player offering something useful instead
- wait for... say, half a year and sell them at a more or less good price
- feed them to my second crafter. This point seems attractive, too, but in this case I will end up with a klowledge still useless for master writs: a 5 pages of this, 3 pages of that and so on. I'll have to buy the rest to make motifs work. But all the money saved now are intended for my main crafter, and it's only 250k (damn my luxury furniture addiction, especially to flowers)

Stewart1874

Good. I hope they crash hard.

Its utter *** the advantage some people are able to take of people through the horrific system that is the guild trader. 200k+ for Ancient Orc shields is bloody horrific and has resulted in a master crafting motif sitting in my inventory for over 6 months.

It also won't last. This creates a temporary distortion in the market. New players (or old players coming back) will arrive for Summerset which will create a higher demand pushing prices back up.

Thats like 2 month away. Can you endure that? Just circa 2 months before you can go back to ripping people off with obscene motif prices which are wholly disproportionate to their true value.

I bet the folk [snip] about this have 2m in the bank farm and motifs like crazy across 7 characters let the normies have fun you wet blankets!

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Mureel

Stewart1874 wrote: »

Good. I hope they crash hard.

Its utter *** the advantage some people are able to take of people through the horrific system that is the guild trader. 200k+ for Ancient Orc shields is bloody horrific and has resulted in a master crafting motif sitting in my inventory for over 6 months.

It also won't last. This creates a temporary distortion in the market. New players (or old players coming back) will arrive for Summerset which will create a higher demand pushing prices back up.

Thats like 2 month away. Can you endure that? Just circa 2 months before you can go back to ripping people off with obscene motif prices which are wholly disproportionate to their true value.

I bet the folk [snip] about this have 2m in the bank farm and motifs like crazy across 7 characters let the normies have fun you wet blankets!

Oh fuxake. Just go farm them yourself. Everyone has access to the same stuff - so complaining at others' prices just because you're too lazy to farm them for yourself is just plain ridiculous.

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AlnilamE

Stewart1874 wrote: »

Good. I hope they crash hard.

Its utter *** the advantage some people are able to take of people through the horrific system that is the guild trader. 200k+ for Ancient Orc shields is bloody horrific and has resulted in a master crafting motif sitting in my inventory for over 6 months.

It also won't last. This creates a temporary distortion in the market. New players (or old players coming back) will arrive for Summerset which will create a higher demand pushing prices back up.

Thats like 2 month away. Can you endure that? Just circa 2 months before you can go back to ripping people off with obscene motif prices which are wholly disproportionate to their true value.

I bet the folk [snip] about this have 2m in the bank farm and motifs like crazy across 7 characters let the normies have fun you wet blankets!

Is Farming Rkindaleft with a couple of guildies too hard?

I would never let a Master Writ sit in my inventory for two months over an easy to farm motif. If you were talking about Buoyant Armiger, you might have a point. But the people who cannot be bothered to do dailies or run around a public dungeon for half an hour every other day cannot complain.

OP: Akaviri also dropped in price because of the changes in AP gain, which lowered the AP to gold ratio, so keep that in mind.

But as a general rule, all motif pages will have a downward price curve over time.

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myskyrim26

AlnilamE wrote: »

Is Farming Rkindaleft with a couple of guildies too hard?

Speaking about Ancient Orc, it is extremely hard to get. I was spending days in Rkindaleft and Old Orsinium ending up with not a single page collected. In total, I got 3 useful pages and 2 already known for 2 months. I tired to sell known for 40k. Nobody bought them. I tried 30 k. Shiled was bought, belt left. It is still in guild store...

zaria

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Violynne wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Motifs aren't account wide its just the cosmetic that is to apply the appearance, but yeah basically its account wide in a way

The Outfit system kind of screwed up the motif armor build, slightly. If some of us can't actually craft the armor, at least we can look like we did.

Yeah that definitely helps with the demand, but the supply is about to be outrageous! I’m thinking of putting every motif I receive and have already learned in one of those storage chests and sitting on them for 6-8 months before attempting to sell

I say the outfit system has increased demand as they make motifs interesting for players who don't use crafted sets.
The only reason to know an motif on multiple characters is for the small bonus to master writs drop chance and that is not affected by the outfit system.

Know that Thief guild and CWC motifs has increased in value after outfitting and its the only i farm somewhat regular.

Pink_Violinz

myskyrim26 wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Is Farming Rkindaleft with a couple of guildies too hard?

Speaking about Ancient Orc, it is extremely hard to get. I was spending days in Rkindaleft and Old Orsinium ending up with not a single page collected. In total, I got 3 useful pages and 2 already known for 2 months. I tired to sell known for 40k. Nobody bought them. I tried 30 k. Shiled was bought, belt left. It is still in guild store...

I got all of Rkindaleft's in a few days, and the second boss I ever killed in Old Orsinium gave me a chest. It's just rng. Selling in zone for 30-40, at least on PS4, is usually pretty easy.

Jaeysa

I think the following will recover well:
Alliance motifs
Motifs bought with AP
Motifs found in dungeons

Basically if it's a pain in the neck to get, they'll recover within 3-4 months as people run out of their stashed motifs and new players come into the game. Akaviri for example, rebounded well.

Stewart1874

Mureel wrote: »

Stewart1874 wrote: »

Good. I hope they crash hard.

Its utter *** the advantage some people are able to take of people through the horrific system that is the guild trader. 200k+ for Ancient Orc shields is bloody horrific and has resulted in a master crafting motif sitting in my inventory for over 6 months.

It also won't last. This creates a temporary distortion in the market. New players (or old players coming back) will arrive for Summerset which will create a higher demand pushing prices back up.

Thats like 2 month away. Can you endure that? Just circa 2 months before you can go back to ripping people off with obscene motif prices which are wholly disproportionate to their true value.

I bet the folk [snip] about this have 2m in the bank farm and motifs like crazy across 7 characters let the normies have fun you wet blankets!

Oh fuxake. Just go farm them yourself. Everyone has access to the same stuff - so complaining at others' prices just because you're too lazy to farm them for yourself is just plain ridiculous.

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I suggest you consider that people have other commitments which means sitting in front of a screen for 12-14 hours a day isn't practical (or healthy).

Dry your eyes. Price crashes are a-coming

Stewart1874

AlnilamE wrote: »

Stewart1874 wrote: »

Good. I hope they crash hard.

Its utter *** the advantage some people are able to take of people through the horrific system that is the guild trader. 200k+ for Ancient Orc shields is bloody horrific and has resulted in a master crafting motif sitting in my inventory for over 6 months.

It also won't last. This creates a temporary distortion in the market. New players (or old players coming back) will arrive for Summerset which will create a higher demand pushing prices back up.

Thats like 2 month away. Can you endure that? Just circa 2 months before you can go back to ripping people off with obscene motif prices which are wholly disproportionate to their true value.

I bet the folk [snip] about this have 2m in the bank farm and motifs like crazy across 7 characters let the normies have fun you wet blankets!

Is Farming Rkindaleft with a couple of guildies too hard?

I would never let a Master Writ sit in my inventory for two months over an easy to farm motif. If you were talking about Buoyant Armiger, you might have a point. But the people who cannot be bothered to do dailies or run around a public dungeon for half an hour every other day cannot complain.

OP: Akaviri also dropped in price because of the changes in AP gain, which lowered the AP to gold ratio, so keep that in mind.

But as a general rule, all motif pages will have a downward price curve over time.

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Easy to farm? What do you think i've spent hours trying to do? I had legs drop in like 6 hours of grinding over a few days. How many hours do you suggest grinding for them?. Anyway, sold em for 60K. Assuming I could pick shields up for less - Outfits I figure mean Head to feet is valuable, whilst Weapons and by extension shields would be worth less.

I was wrong

Will try and draft a couple of Guidies to give me a hand but I really can't see the upside for them?

Its a 92 writ voucher, so not a chance in hell i'm letting it go either.

DaveMoeDee

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Most won't recover ever tbh

I got into an argument last year where I was on the side of holding on to motifs until they rebound. I even snatched up some underpriced motifs in guild stores during event. Worked out great for me.

Not sure what to expect now. Costumes made motifs more valuable since now even non-crafters have a reason to want motifs. On the other hand, no one needs more than one copy per account for costumes. That being said, costume slots are expensive and most people aren't going to buy any, so they will still benefit from motifs. With jewelry crafting coming (does that mean additional motif pages for each current motif?), crafted sets might become more popular, making motifs more valuable.

I am still amazed at how expensive alliance motifs are after people were able to farm them in IC, potentially completing all three in a day using alts. Hell, I remember we had guildmates logged on as a different alliance who would sit in the corner as we killed the boss and would grab their motif page at the end, assuming we didn't inadvertently kill them.

DaveMoeDee

Jaeysa wrote: »

I think the following will recover well:
Alliance motifs
Motifs bought with AP
Motifs found in dungeons

Basically if it's a pain in the neck to get, they'll recover within 3-4 months as people run out of their stashed motifs and new players come into the game. Akaviri for example, rebounded well.

I pretty much only started selling the bulk of my motifs from the last anniversary after Dragon Bones dropped. I was pretty happy with how well prices had rebounded. Especially considering I did some speculation and bought up some underpriced motifs during the last anniversary. I basically only played two months between the Anniversary and Dragon Bones, the months Morrowind and CWC came out.

I still have quite a few posted for sale and I'm pretty confident they won't sell apart from people who don't understand the anniversary snatching up one. Since our guild lost our good location this week, even that is unlikely to happen.

jedtb16_ESO

supply

demand

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Marabornwingrion

Stewart1874 wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Stewart1874 wrote: »

Good. I hope they crash hard.

Its utter *** the advantage some people are able to take of people through the horrific system that is the guild trader. 200k+ for Ancient Orc shields is bloody horrific and has resulted in a master crafting motif sitting in my inventory for over 6 months.

It also won't last. This creates a temporary distortion in the market. New players (or old players coming back) will arrive for Summerset which will create a higher demand pushing prices back up.

Thats like 2 month away. Can you endure that? Just circa 2 months before you can go back to ripping people off with obscene motif prices which are wholly disproportionate to their true value.

I bet the folk [snip] about this have 2m in the bank farm and motifs like crazy across 7 characters let the normies have fun you wet blankets!

Oh fuxake. Just go farm them yourself. Everyone has access to the same stuff - so complaining at others' prices just because you're too lazy to farm them for yourself is just plain ridiculous.

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I suggest you consider that people have other commitments which means sitting in front of a screen for 12-14 hours a day isn't practical (or healthy).

Lol wut? One vBF run takes 15 minutes, and you have guaranteed motif from it, not needed hard mode. Same with mazzarun, a lot of skipable areas. So idk about what kind of 14 hour farm are you talking about.