I need someone to tell me what just happened.

Sharee

A marked NB just disappeared. There was no purge. He does a dodge roll while still marked, and as the roll ends, the mark on him with 24 seconds still to go suddenly disappears , along with him.

https://youtu.be/4yXYS6hB2U8

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killimandrosb16_ESO

Purge my friend. Purge. Actually you can see he pops a pot just when you ambush him. Could be invisibility pot, could be immob pot. My bet is on immob pot plus purge though. If he purges while cloaked you wont see the purge light.

Tryxus

Wyrd Tree set

DDuke

Piercing Mark finally balanced?

Tryxus wrote: »

Wyrd Tree set

Also, this.

Sharee

Tryxus wrote: »

Wyrd Tree set

Wyrd tree set removes 5 negative effects. My mark put three negative effects on him: the cloak piercing effect, major fracture, and major breach.

You can see in the video that only the piercing effect disappears, not the fracture/breach. So it could not have been wyrd tree set.

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

Purge my friend. Purge. Actually you can see he pops a pot just when you ambush him.

That's not a pot, that's the gap closer snare. You can see the circle at his feet disappearing in less than a second, just before he vanishes.

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

Could be invisibility pot, could be immob pot. My bet is on immob pot plus purge though. If he purges while cloaked you wont see the purge light.

You can not use a potion while dodging. He disappeared just as he was coming out of dodge. There was no time to cast a skill, much less two (purge and cloak).

DirkRavenclaw

One Idea, my Computer runs with a OC graphiccard and sometimes, when playing 40 hours or so straight da Game( I know, Im Mad ) my Computer decides to go out, plob and Im gone. Annoying as ... but happens

Sharee

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

One Idea, my Computer runs with a OC graphiccard and sometimes, when playing 40 hours or so straight da Game( I know, Im Mad ) my Computer decides to go out, plob and Im gone. Annoying as ... but happens

If you quit the game without waiting the logout timer(intentionally or othewise) your character still stays in the world for at least 10 seconds.

And, of course, the NB hit me with an incap 2 seconds later so - no.

Sharee

Maybe there is a set that cleanses one negative effect from you when you drink a potion? It does look like he is doing the potion drinking animation a split second before he disappears.

Feanor

Cloak never works.

Checkmath

He changed campaign ^^
Lets just assume mark works and prohibits any form of invisibility like cloak, pots and sneak...then there is only possibility that he somehow cancelled a purge effect very fast, wears a set that cleanse (cloak is a magicka sill and therefore would remove debuffs with wyrdtree, but sounds like a pretty strange build for stamdk), he exploits, he changed campaign or was kicked from the server.

Maryal

probably got disconnected from the server ... maybe his internet went out. I didn't see the animation for cloak, and you can't use invis pots while actively in combat (well, you can use them but they won't work). His toon disintegrated, which is typical when you get disconnected.

Feanor

Maryal wrote: »

probably got disconnected from the server ... maybe his internet went out. I didn't see the animation for cloak, and you can't use invis pots while actively in combat (well, you can use them but they won't work). His toon disintegrated, which is typical when you get disconnected.

Sharee wrote:

And, of course, the NB hit me with an incap 2 seconds later so - no.

Probably not.

Sharee

Checkmath wrote: »

He changed campaign ^^
Lets just assume mark works and prohibits any form of invisibility like cloak, pots and sneak...then there is only possibility that he somehow cancelled a purge effect very fast, wears a set that cleanse (cloak is a magicka sill and therefore would remove debuffs with wyrdtree, but sounds like a pretty strange build for stamdk), he exploits, he changed campaign or was kicked from the server.

He hit me with an incap 2 secs after the video end, so camp change/server kick are out of question.
If he anim cancelled purge with that last dodge roll, then the purge pillar of light would be visible, and the pierce debuff would be removed at the start of his roll, not the end.
Wyrd tree is out of question, because only one effect was cleansed, resist debuffs stayed (wyrd would have removed all).

The pierce effect (along with the NB) disappears exactly at the time when he does a drinking animation (after the roll) which makes me think there must be a set that removes one negative effect when drinking a potion.

technohic

Am I seeing things or does it look like the mark beam is still there after he disappears? Would be a bit better if we saw where he came back out to maybe see if any effects are still on him

Feanor

@Sharee

Or the complete purge animation simply didn't render. It's a common thing that animations get lost in Cyrodiil.

technohic

Feanor wrote: »

@Sharee

Or the complete purge animation simply didn't render. It's a common thing that animations get lost in Cyrodiil.

He did roll dodge right before that. Could have animation cancelled and just a delayed removal of the visuals for mark.

Sharee

technohic wrote: »

Am I seeing things or does it look like the mark beam is still there after he disappears? Would be a bit better if we saw where he came back out to maybe see if any effects are still on him

You can see the debuff icons under target name.

Feanor wrote: »

@Sharee

Or the complete purge animation simply didn't render. It's a common thing that animations get lost in Cyrodiil.

Two problems with that. First, there simply was no time for casting a skill. He does a shooting bow animation, which is cancelled directly into a dodge roll. Since abilities have a 1 sec CD, he could not have cast purge because he was shooting the bow. Remeber the video is at 20% speed, so 5 secs of the video are actually just 1 second in the actual game.

Second problem is that you can clearly see the pierce debuff is still on him as the is performing the last dodge roll. If he purged then rolled, the pierce debuff wouldn;t be there as he was rolling. Pierce debuff only disappeared as the roll ended, during his drinking animation at the last split second he was still visible.

Turelus

Sharee wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

He changed campaign ^^
Lets just assume mark works and prohibits any form of invisibility like cloak, pots and sneak...then there is only possibility that he somehow cancelled a purge effect very fast, wears a set that cleanse (cloak is a magicka sill and therefore would remove debuffs with wyrdtree, but sounds like a pretty strange build for stamdk), he exploits, he changed campaign or was kicked from the server.

He hit me with an incap 2 secs after the video end, so camp change/server kick are out of question.
If he anim cancelled purge with that last dodge roll, then the purge pillar of light would be visible, and the pierce debuff would be removed at the start of his roll, not the end.
Wyrd tree is out of question, because only one effect was cleansed, resist debuffs stayed (wyrd would have removed all).

The pierce effect (along with the NB) disappears exactly at the time when he does a drinking animation (after the roll) which makes me think there must be a set that removes one negative effect when drinking a potion.

Do you have the rest of the video? Might be easier to understand if we see what happened after they vanished.

Rianai

Last time i tried purging mark (with the skill from the suport line) it would always remove the armor debuffs first, so it required at least 2 purges to remove the mark. Might have changed though. Maybe someone can test it?

Edit: Aso, has there been another (friendly) NB arround? Maybe it is some weird interaction with multiple marks?

Qbiken

As far as I know there´re no known combinations of sets and potions usage that removes debuffs on you (unless something is bugged that is).

Just brainstorming here, but is it possible that there´s some interference between mark and elemental drain?

Sharee

Turelus wrote: »

Do you have the rest of the video? Might be easier to understand if we see what happened after they vanished.

My first reaction was that he must have ported to shade i overlooked, so i swapped to detect potion, drank it, and got promptly faceplanted >.<.

Sure, here it is:
https://youtu.be/hfddrr74L_M

Rianai

When he reappears, the resistance debuffs are gone too, so maybe Wyrd Tree (or Stendarr's Embrace - maybe potions can count as heal?) and the debuff tracker just isn't accurate and showed a delayed debuff removal?

Turelus

Rianai wrote: »

When he reappears, the resistance debuffs are gone too, so maybe Wyrd Tree and the debuff tracker just isn't accurate and showed a delayed debuff removal?

Doesn't the game not give direct debuff information (as in API of other players effects) and just track a timer from when you started the effect on them? I'll admit it's been a long time since I looked into it and am not that up on information with it.

DDuke

Sharee wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Do you have the rest of the video? Might be easier to understand if we see what happened after they vanished.

My first reaction was that he must have ported to shade i overlooked, so i swapped to detect potion, drank it, and got promptly faceplanted >.<.

Sure, here it is:
https://youtu.be/hfddrr74L_M

0:01 all debuffs
0:04 no debuffs

Wyrd Tree.


Alternative explanation: he's a time traveler from future & used the Undo ultimate from Summerset chapter.

technohic

Well he did wind up behind you but I do not see where he placed shadow image either after you turned around not when you were initially chasing him in the first video. All of his negative effects are gone, though.

Sharee

Qbiken wrote: »

As far as I know there´re no known combinations of sets and potions usage that removes debuffs on you (unless something is bugged that is).

Just brainstorming here, but is it possible that there´s some interference between mark and elemental drain?

Not sure what you mean - as far as i can tell he did not have ele drain on him, the only other player present in the fight was a stamina DK. I could only detect 4 debuffs on the NB, 3 from the piercing mark, and one off balance from me dodging one of his attacks.

Interesting is that the off balance disappeared at the exact same time the pierce debuff did. One possibility is that the wyrd tree set does not remove all 5 debuffs at the same time, but rather removes 2, then another 2.

Sharee

DDuke wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Do you have the rest of the video? Might be easier to understand if we see what happened after they vanished.

My first reaction was that he must have ported to shade i overlooked, so i swapped to detect potion, drank it, and got promptly faceplanted >.<.

Sure, here it is:
https://youtu.be/hfddrr74L_M

0:01 all debuffs
0:04 no debuffs

Wyrd Tree.

What skill did he cast to trigger wyrd tree tho? And when? It wasn't before the last dodge roll, because he used it to anim cancel a bow attack(and he still is debuffed while rolling). And it wasnt after, because you can see him doing a drinking animation, not a cloak animation.

DDuke

Sharee wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Do you have the rest of the video? Might be easier to understand if we see what happened after they vanished.

My first reaction was that he must have ported to shade i overlooked, so i swapped to detect potion, drank it, and got promptly faceplanted >.<.

Sure, here it is:
https://youtu.be/hfddrr74L_M

0:01 all debuffs
0:04 no debuffs

Wyrd Tree.

What skill did he cast to trigger wyrd tree tho? And when? It wasn't before the last dodge roll, because he used it to anim cancel a bow attack(and he still is debuffed while rolling). And it wasnt after, because you can see him doing a drinking animation, not a cloak animation.

Cloak.

Wyrd Tree triggers with any magicka ability, so cloak cast->poof, debuffs gone... aaand now I'm feeling nostalgic


Shame it requires a 5p set with magicka oriented bonuses, would be far more popular amongst stamblades if it didn't.

Sharee

DDuke wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Do you have the rest of the video? Might be easier to understand if we see what happened after they vanished.

My first reaction was that he must have ported to shade i overlooked, so i swapped to detect potion, drank it, and got promptly faceplanted >.<.

Sure, here it is:
https://youtu.be/hfddrr74L_M

0:01 all debuffs
0:04 no debuffs

Wyrd Tree.

What skill did he cast to trigger wyrd tree tho? And when? It wasn't before the last dodge roll, because he used it to anim cancel a bow attack(and he still is debuffed while rolling). And it wasnt after, because you can see him doing a drinking animation, not a cloak animation.

Cloak.

Wyrd Tree triggers with any magicka ability, so cloak cast->poof, debuffs gone... aaand now I'm feeling nostalgic

There is no cloak animation after his dodge roll completes tho.

But then, maybe what i think as drink animation is actually a dodge(not roll) animation (it cannot be seen very well) and it is overriding the cloak animation. And maybe wyrd tree removes debuffs one after another, rather than all at once. I'll keep an eye on it.

Anyway, thanks for the discussion everyone.

technohic

Id be surprised if he was running Wyrd tree. A lot of wasted stats for a stam character that is hitting as hard as he is. I still think he used purge

Sharee

technohic wrote: »

Id be surprised if he was running Wyrd tree. A lot of wasted stats for a stam character that is hitting as hard as he is. I still think he used purge

He would have to use it twice tho. First 2 debuffs disappeared just as he was coming out of dodge roll (off-balance still had one sec to go, the debuff timer goes down to 0) and a split second later the resist debuffs disappeared, before he even completely vanished.