Lets talk about it

Iskras

When one of the oldest players, leader of one of the most important AD guilds (DK) announces (in this forum) his departure from the game because of his impression of 'cheaters', I start to get really worried.

I'm not going to make any mistakes about 'cheaters', I think ESO is vulnerable, but I'll talk about 'balance'. It's not uncommon to see 'strange builds' with infinite rss, infinite dps, infinite tank, etc ... just as it's not hard to see 'unusual' situations as a player uses 5 skills in less than half a fraction of a second. I'll treat this as a 'balance' ...

I hope this changes, under the risk of ESO starting to lose players ... quality of gameplay.

ezeepeezee

mmm, yes

Kiira

Lets just be honest... There isnt enough leads on AD side as it is, and PvP is just not fun the majority of the time. The game is failing. It seems the developers care about nothing but how much theyll make off the next stupid mount nobody needs...

If the leaders of our only reliable guilds begin to drop, we are in trouble. Earlier today I seen someone literally flying in the air. Theres "elite" (cough) guilds that some how have infinate resources, health, and ultimate. Its so obvious that things are sketchy, yet it is so blantly ignored.

Gilvoth

it is real, and it is tiring and old to see it happen, but it happens all the time.
recently though it has grown and many more people are doing it now.

Iskras

Friends, not to generate so much 'anxiety' - let's treat it as a 'balance'.

DoctorESO

Iskras wrote: »

When one of the oldest players, leader of one of the most important AD guilds (DK) announces his departure from the game because of his impression of 'cheaters', I start to get really worried.

I'm not going to make any mistakes about 'cheaters', I think ESO is vulnerable, but I'll talk about 'balance'. It's not uncommon to see 'strange builds' with infinite rss, infinite dps, infinite tank, etc ... just as it's not hard to see 'unusual' situations as a player uses 5 skills in less than half a fraction of a second. I'll treat this as a 'balance' ...

I hope this changes, under the risk of ESO starting to lose players ... quality of gameplay.

Be your own man or woman and don't be a sheep following some "revered player."

Iskras

DoctorESO wrote: »

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Iskras wrote: »

When one of the oldest players, leader of one of the most important AD guilds (DK) announces his departure from the game because of his impression of 'cheaters', I start to get really worried.

I'm not going to make any mistakes about 'cheaters', I think ESO is vulnerable, but I'll talk about 'balance'. It's not uncommon to see 'strange builds' with infinite rss, infinite dps, infinite tank, etc ... just as it's not hard to see 'unusual' situations as a player uses 5 skills in less than half a fraction of a second. I'll treat this as a 'balance' ...

I hope this changes, under the risk of ESO starting to lose players ... quality of gameplay.

Be your own man or woman and don't be a sheep following some "revered player."

There is always someone willing to defend 'bad balance' ... do not surprise me with the old tactic of trying to discredit the interlocutors to escape the proposed theme.

DoctorESO

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Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Congratulation @Iskras on GM of DK.

Good luck to @Anazasi in his future endeavours.

caeliusstarbreaker

Iskras wrote: »

When one of the oldest players, leader of one of the most important AD guilds (DK) announces (in this forum) his departure from the game because of his impression of 'cheaters', I start to get really worried.

I'm not going to make any mistakes about 'cheaters', I think ESO is vulnerable, but I'll talk about 'balance'. It's not uncommon to see 'strange builds' with infinite rss, infinite dps, infinite tank, etc ... just as it's not hard to see 'unusual' situations as a player uses 5 skills in less than half a fraction of a second. I'll treat this as a 'balance' ...

I hope this changes, under the risk of ESO starting to lose players ... quality of gameplay.

Brother, if we are being 100% honest of your gameplay, that I see at least, consists of being in amidst a group of other players, majority of the time at the alessia bridge, at less than 200 cp last I saw, spam casting javelin and hitting soul assault when you can.. then when it doesn’t work, you block and breath of life your way out of harms way.
I honestly do not, in any way say this to mock you or breed any resentment with you, but you legitimately really need to rethink your playstyle and how it correlates to your opinion of balance and cheating.

I’ve personally given you cp set ups and build advice, hints, tips and advice. I’m not saying this game isn’t flawed, but you really need to dig deep and examine what it is you are doing vs tossing around cheating allegations and talks of balance.

If we are being honest, initially as a sub 160 and probably much further beyond that, you should be in the no cp server because of the inherent power creep in the game. Beyond that, spamming one cc over and over until you have an ulti and then casting it on a target that is around an area where they can los is exactly the “bad play” that 1vx videos are made of. There is no amount of balance that will or should fix that mentality. Everyone will have infinite resource and damage when compared to your current cp level, if you continue to exist in this circumstance.

Trust me I know it’s frustrating in Cyrodiil. Everyone feels that burn. But, the majority of your problems have nothing to do with cheating or balance. They have to do with your courses of action and ability.

Iskras

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Iskras wrote: »

When one of the oldest players, leader of one of the most important AD guilds (DK) announces (in this forum) his departure from the game because of his impression of 'cheaters', I start to get really worried.

I'm not going to make any mistakes about 'cheaters', I think ESO is vulnerable, but I'll talk about 'balance'. It's not uncommon to see 'strange builds' with infinite rss, infinite dps, infinite tank, etc ... just as it's not hard to see 'unusual' situations as a player uses 5 skills in less than half a fraction of a second. I'll treat this as a 'balance' ...

I hope this changes, under the risk of ESO starting to lose players ... quality of gameplay.

Brother, if we are being 100% honest of your gameplay, that I see at least, consists of being in amidst a group of other players, majority of the time at the alessia bridge, at less than 200 cp last I saw, spam casting javelin and hitting soul assault when you can.. then when it doesn’t work, you block and breath of life your way out of harms way.
I honestly do not, in any way say this to mock you or breed any resentment with you, but you legitimately really need to rethink your playstyle and how it correlates to your opinion of balance and cheating.

I’ve personally given you cp set ups and build advice, hints, tips and advice. I’m not saying this game isn’t flawed, but you really need to dig deep and examine what it is you are doing vs tossing around cheating allegations and talks of balance.

If we are being honest, initially as a sub 160 and probably much further beyond that, you should be in the no cp server because of the inherent power creep in the game. Beyond that, spamming one cc over and over until you have an ulti and then casting it on a target that is around an area where they can los is exactly the “bad play” that 1vx videos are made of. There is no amount of balance that will or should fix that mentality. Everyone will have infinite resource and damage when compared to your current cp level, if you continue to exist in this circumstance.

Trust me I know it’s frustrating in Cyrodiil. Everyone feels that burn. But, the majority of your problems have nothing to do with cheating or balance. They have to do with your courses of action and ability.

Friend you are spectacular and define precisely a feeling that I have in general with Cyrodiil.

I know that talking about certain topics can lead to confusion and even more 'hot' debates, I do not intend to. When I decided to do this post, I did it because of a confession by a leading AD leader named Taran. This confession he made right here in this forum and sub forum, I will link (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/402589/vivec-na-this-campaign-is-an-ad-farming-contest-ad) and I'm trying to 'balance' it - and really, even if I misunderstand engine flaws and problems with some players, on balance, that sounds infinitely more difficult than it was two years ago.

I think it would be wise to get a better balance between magic and stamina, as well as weapons supported by the 'two-handed' skill line. Wardens, in my view, deserves more attention from developers in this sense.

Well, I do not want to take anyone out of prae for easy wins, but I think ESO - and its PvP community - need to rethink some things.

Rohamad_Ali

Who's doing what to who ? I don't understand . Admittedly I've been playing something else addicting last 2 weeks .

Joy_Division

What's there to talk about?

A lot of people who aren't nearly as good as they think they are are convinced everyone better than them cheats. And someone who feels compelled to post videos zerging down other players keeping some silly scoreboard of how they are beating "elitists" and t-bagging them because they are "dogs who deserve to be hunted down" has issues. They left. No doubt for the best.

Iskras

Joy_Division wrote: »

What's there to talk about?

A lot of people who aren't nearly as good as they think they are are convinced everyone better than them cheats. And someone who feels compelled to post videos zerging down other players keeping some silly scoreboard of how they are beating "elitists" and t-bagging them because they are "dogs who deserve to be hunted down" has issues. They left. No doubt for the best.

- about cheaters, about balance, its clear here.

Rohamad_Ali

Ok I read up on the other thread and see what's going on . You're all loosing your marbels mid campaign again . This is why breaks are so important . Dip out and get some R&R while AD has plenty of help an the score is ok . Check in with the Mage's guild psychiatrist before putting the armor back on . Don't come back till you're better . I'll log in after I get my alien dog pet thing in Warframe .

OdinForge

Step 1.) Don't chase good players into traps.

Step 2.) play no cp until you have enough cp to be competitive.

Step 3.) Don't rage whisper people when you fail step 1 and 2.

Iskras

OdinForge wrote: »

Step 1.) Don't chase good players into traps.

Step 2.) play no cp until you have enough cp to be competitive.

Step 3.) Don't rage whisper people when you fail step 1 and 2.

1 - I agree, only your group can chase people, there it's 'worth' and even 'poetic' ... right to videos on the internet;

2 - blablabla (just to remember you, last campaign, i was 7 in AD rank, 35 between all factions with a LOW CP less then 160)

3 - You have the ESO suport, use it.

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back to the subject, please, ty!

Eirella

This game has so few players PVPing these days...I highly doubt many of them are cheating.

It's pretty much exactly as @Joy_Division says. People like to blame their losses on "Cheaters."

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Iskras wrote: »

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OdinForge wrote: »

Step 1.) Don't chase good players into traps.

Step 2.) play no cp until you have enough cp to be competitive.

Step 3.) Don't rage whisper people when you fail step 1 and 2.

2 - blablabla (just to remember you, last campaign, i was 7 in AD rank, 35 between all factions with a LOW CP less then 160)

Nice cheats

ZOS_JesC

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Alomar

The age of ESO is over....2 years ago...the age of Bless, then Crowfall, then Camelot Unchained has begun!

Telel

DoctorESO wrote: »

Mark Anthony killed himself after losing a lot.

He also wasn't exactly a very trustworthy sort.

-history.

VaranisArano

Telel wrote: »

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DoctorESO wrote: »

Mark Anthony killed himself after losing a lot.

He also wasn't exactly a very trustworthy sort.

-history.

Admittedly, Mark Antony may have had cause, given that Octavian presumably wasn't going to let him rez up at the back keeps, lick his wounds, and come back strong for the next campaign.

Or maybe I keep missing invitations to the victory march where the campaign winners drag the losers through the streets of the Imperial City in chains...I'm sure its here somewhere, probably buried under all my Rewards for the Worthy...

Though there is a certain attraction to the idea of throwing convicted cheaters to the lions, if I may mix my periods of Roman history.

Iskras

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

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Iskras wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Step 1.) Don't chase good players into traps.

Step 2.) play no cp until you have enough cp to be competitive.

Step 3.) Don't rage whisper people when you fail step 1 and 2.

2 - blablabla (just to remember you, last campaign, i was 7 in AD rank, 35 between all factions with a LOW CP less then 160)

Nice cheats

No, just follow the zerg :P

Iskras

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

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Iskras wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Step 1.) Don't chase good players into traps.

Step 2.) play no cp until you have enough cp to be competitive.

Step 3.) Don't rage whisper people when you fail step 1 and 2.

2 - blablabla (just to remember you, last campaign, i was 7 in AD rank, 35 between all factions with a LOW CP less then 160)

Nice cheats

ZOS, this post are repeated, connection insues here (my connection), can delet? @ZOS_JesC

VaranisArano

Ultimately, there's nothing to talk about.

ZOS is the only people who can determine and punish cheating.
ZOS explicitly refuses to confirm or deny the vast majority of cheating reports to the player who made the report as a matter of policy.

So except on a player-level action of "I won't let cheaters in my guild/group/whatever and I'll report players when I see cheating or actions that look like cheating" there's nothing to discuss when ZOS says nothing as a matter policy and has no desire to alter that policy.

Iskras

When I opened this topic, I was clear when I mentioned 'balance'. Clearing up any flaw in the engine and any cheating, a game with a better balance between sets, classes, tends to be more credible about your mechanic.

adirondack

Iskras wrote: »

When I opened this topic, I was clear when I mentioned 'balance'. Clearing up any flaw in the engine and any cheating, a game with a better balance between sets, classes, tends to be more credible about your mechanic.

Other than your single word replies to someone else's comment, you've never been actually 'clear' about anything Iskra. I don't quite grasp the point of this thread at all. In your original post you ramble about 4 separate topics.

Also, you might want to review this external link... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools'_Day

Good day, good luck, and I'm counting the minutes until ZOS closes this thread because you reply to me in a negative manner.

Iskras

adirondack wrote: »

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Iskras wrote: »

When I opened this topic, I was clear when I mentioned 'balance'. Clearing up any flaw in the engine and any cheating, a game with a better balance between sets, classes, tends to be more credible about your mechanic.

Other than your single word replies to someone else's comment, you've never been actually 'clear' about anything Iskra. I don't quite grasp the point of this thread at all. In your original post you ramble about 4 separate topics.

Also, you might want to review this external link... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools'_Day

Good day, good luck, and I'm counting the minutes until ZOS closes this thread because you reply to me in a negative manner.

In general i just report this 'thing'...And ZOS has a good policy for anyone who intends to get into a topic just to upset and offend people. But I will respond to this, exclusively.

First, put yourself in its proper place, player. Second, You do not work as a developer on ZOS, you have no authority or competence to disparage a topic about 'balance' and any cheaters (but u can have opinions).

Third, I know that the determination of some is definitely to defend bad practices 'in game', but this 'subject' or in this childlike rhetorical trap I do not fall.



(at last. ZOS dont ll close this topic)

VaranisArano

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As for myself, I'm of the opinion that much of the "cheating" I see is directly related to the high level of lag I'm also experiencing or known bugs.

Like, we all know that Meteor currently has a bug that in high lag does a delayed hit, often dragging players back in position, dropping the Meteor, and then throwing the player back where they were. Its been like this since Clockwork City at the least. Does that make people who use Meteor in crowded, laggy fights exploiters?

I lean towards no, on the grounds that lag in the game is ZOS' fault, not the players, but others might well have differing opinions.