The snipe delay that is plaguing ps4 na

Kalante

Let's talk about something nobody is talking about. This video shows a good example as to what almost everyone with a stam nb is doing in ps4 na. Just an FYI once resources go to zero i don't even bother moving because i am dead already so don't think roll dodging would had done anything. You can not hear snipe until you are already dead. In this instance i got hit by four snipes that never appeared on my screen. You can say sure it's lag from the server side but no other skill has this problem to the extent snipe has. It is borderline broken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHm30KPUcRk

KingYogi415

Health Desync is a server problem.

Not a exploit!

OGLezard

In before thread lock of naming and shaming
Can't say exploit then show someone's name, zos don't like that ^_^

Kalante

OGLezard wrote: »

In before thread lock of naming and shaming
Can't say exploit then show someone's name, zos don't like that ^_^

Then how are you supposed to show an example of this happening. You can't show this with pictures otherwise I would cover the names.

Kamatsu

Kalante wrote: »

Then how are you supposed to show an example of this happening. You can't show this with pictures otherwise I would cover the names.

Does the PS4 have a screen capture key/facility/ability? If so, use that when the death recap is up and then export that to a PC and edit it - or if can't export it, take a photo with a camera/phone and upload to a PC from it.

PS. I don't have a PS4, nor ever used one, so don't know if it has it's own screen grab/photo ability or not.

Edit - if it doesn't, or can't be used in ESO, if the death recap stays up long enough... take photo with a camera/phone if you can and upload to a PC from it.

Kalante

Kamatsu wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Then how are you supposed to show an example of this happening. You can't show this with pictures otherwise I would cover the names.

Does the PS4 have a screen capture key/facility/ability? If so, use that when the death recap is up and then export that to a PC and edit it - or if can't export it, take a photo with a camera/phone and upload to a PC from it.

PS. I don't have a PS4, nor ever used one, so don't know if it has it's own screen grab/photo ability or not.

A picture would not explain the problem. If it was just a picture of lethal arrows anyone could assume it's a l2p problem. A video you can hear sounds and show proof that i am not making things up.

Kali_Despoine

Looks like Bethesda magic to me. AKA lag.

geonsocal

that dawnbreaker of smiting wasn't doing you no favors either...

was that some "private" affair you were involved in?

not quite sure I see the issue...

Kalante

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Health Desync is a server problem.

Not a exploit!

just as gap closing was totally deliberate and even by accident people got banned for it? People who are doing this with snipe know exactly what they are doing with intent and that it's just so easy to get kills. How is this any different? The guy that is number one for EP vivec campaign is someone who i've never seen before has 14m AP by doing this and he is not the only one.

geonsocal

hmmmm, perhaps that bow player should have come down from that nice cozy high ground, introduced themselves formally - and, then tried to magnum shot you to death...

may have taken a half hour or so, but - much more "honorable" way to play...

Domander

Looked more like lag than an exploit.

Bhaal5

Before thread lock

Snipe itself ia a broke skill (can be hit 3 times before soind or animations) not to mention the LAG zos is renowned for (mega potato technology)

Kalante

geonsocal wrote: »

that dawnbreaker of smiting wasn't doing you no favors either...

was that some "private" affair you were involved in?

not quite sure I see the issue...

That dawn breaker barely did any damage... you can see it only hit for 4040. If you check the damage numbers dawn breaker is not part of the issue.

Kalante

geonsocal wrote: »

hmmmm, perhaps that bow player should have come down from that nice cozy high ground, introduced themselves formally - and, then tried to magnum shot you to death...

may have taken a half hour or so, but - much more "honorable" way to play...

So you are fine just getting one shot with no counter play. Do you by any chance do this also? because you seem pretty defensive about it.

Gnortranermara

It's not lag. There is a specific exploit involving a particular button combination that results in 4 snipes landing within 1 sec. There are players exploiting the same glitch on XBox One. I've reported it (as have many others) but no response from ZOS.

Seraphayel

I just hope all the snipe exploiters (they are existing) get banned for a lifetime.

geonsocal

Kalante wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

hmmmm, perhaps that bow player should have come down from that nice cozy high ground, introduced themselves formally - and, then tried to magnum shot you to death...

may have taken a half hour or so, but - much more "honorable" way to play...

So you are fine just getting one shot with no counter play. Do you by any chance do this also? because you seem pretty defensive about it.

defensive?

I take great joy in it...particularly against folks around keeps and outposts...

building for enough damage and sustain is a challenge

depending on a character's build (got lots of em) - saying hello from 20 meters or so away may be the best way to go...most definitely the safest...

ArchMikem

Kamatsu wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Then how are you supposed to show an example of this happening. You can't show this with pictures otherwise I would cover the names.

Does the PS4 have a screen capture key/facility/ability? If so, use that when the death recap is up and then export that to a PC and edit it - or if can't export it, take a photo with a camera/phone and upload to a PC from it.

PS. I don't have a PS4, nor ever used one, so don't know if it has it's own screen grab/photo ability or not.

Edit - if it doesn't, or can't be used in ESO, if the death recap stays up long enough... take photo with a camera/phone if you can and upload to a PC from it.

Just showing the Recap doesn't tell much at all, the video of it happening tells a lot, that's why OP recorded a video.

Vaoh

geonsocal wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

hmmmm, perhaps that bow player should have come down from that nice cozy high ground, introduced themselves formally - and, then tried to magnum shot you to death...

may have taken a half hour or so, but - much more "honorable" way to play...

So you are fine just getting one shot with no counter play. Do you by any chance do this also? because you seem pretty defensive about it.

defensive?

I take great joy in it...particularly against folks around keeps and outposts...

building for enough damage and sustain is a challenge

depending on a character's build (got lots of em) - saying hello from 20 meters or so away may be the best way to go...most definitely the safest...

I can’t even blame ppl who do this because it’s ZOS who allows it to happen. Sniping in itself isn’t an issue. It’s the fact that it is so BUGGY and can “save” snipes so they land simultaneously and without any visual/audio queue. Most snipers don’t even know how to fully optimize the build either.... which doesn’t really matter because when the game allow 2-4 Snipes to land before the target has a single indication to defend themselves, it’s already over.

The only situation where Snipers are okay imo is when you need to slow Zergs who are sieging. That should be normal and encouraged. Archers on top of walls firing down on opponents makes sense. It sucks that Snipe is so bugged it’s a borderline exploit to simply press a button repeatedly. Smh ZOS.

FIX SNIPE

Also it’s worth adding that it wasn’t as much of an issue before. But with Stam NB being ridiculously popular and the damage creep, there are way more snipers than usual and they hit harder. This stacking Snipe bug and the lack of audio/visual queues when it happens is a serious issue.

OGLezard

Kalante wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

In before thread lock of naming and shaming
Can't say exploit then show someone's name, zos don't like that ^_^

Then how are you supposed to show an example of this happening. You can't show this with pictures otherwise I would cover the names.

If you lack the ability or means to use video editing software then I strongly suggest sending the video to a zos employees message box. I'm just letting you know if they wanted to be *** about their TOS, they could give you a warning/temp suspension from the forums for naming and shaming in a forum post, even though that was not your intentions.

Just a friendly suggestion, nothing more

AlienatedGoat

Kalante wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

In before thread lock of naming and shaming
Can't say exploit then show someone's name, zos don't like that ^_^

Then how are you supposed to show an example of this happening. You can't show this with pictures otherwise I would cover the names.

Remove the word "exploit" from your post and thread title. Let people view the video and come to their own conclusion about that.

In that way, you're not asserting any wrongdoing directly, therefore there's no naming-and-shaming taking place.

ToS'd.

exeeter702

People tend to lump together the idea of snipe as a skill - a hard cast time ranged nuke (this is perfectly fine and is a staple in many rpgs) with the issue of which snipe exists in this game - server infrastructure and how lag and latency issues cause snipe to overlap and become impossible to react to.

Snipe is fine as a skill. Ranged nukes are fun and belong in games like this. If you have a problem with getting blown up by a player who commits themselves to pure ranged glass cannon damage without "fighting fair or with skill (ROFL)" then you are playing the wrong genre of online gaming.

Snipe is an issue because when there is even a small amount of latency server side, the audio que does not line up with the skill and if you are being sniped off screen, by the time you realize youbjust ate a snipe, you already ate 2, which sucks.

Exploit however this is not.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

Im pretty sure there is a way to exploit snipe so it glitches and causes these desyncs

TequilaFire

Many other skills show up multiple times in the defective death recap just like snipe.
Crystal frags and dizzying swings are at the top of that list.

Vaoh

TequilaFire wrote: »

Many other skills show up multiple times in the defective death recap just like snipe.
Crystal frags and dizzying swings are at the top of that list.

@TequilaFire
From my experience, I’ve noticed there are pretty much two ways for Snipe to bug out.

I’ve had it happen before where a single dodge roll will cause like three “saved” Snipes to avoid hitting me. This would be an example of the first bug - all Snipes are being “saved” to hit simultaneously. You either get lucky and happen to dodge them when voiding someone else’s attack (Snipe does not play its audio/visual queue), or they all hit you and you lose a massive chunk of your health.

The second bug is where the Snipes are already hitting you, but show absolutely nothing on your screen, as if nothing happened. It fully desyncs your UI. Other skills cast at you during this time also seem buggy because Snipe totally bugged out your UI. I have an example of this in an unlisted YouTube vid - basically I get killed with the sound of a Crystal Frag hitting and then Mages Wrath exploding around at 80% Health. About 5sec after laying dead, Snipes begin to strike my character, and it’s all on my death recap.

Basically...... Snipe is a mess lol. Always has been.

TequilaFire

Symptoms of a difference between the sniper's client data, the server data and your client data being out of sync.
I swear if they every improved their netcode a lot of these issue would disappear.

red_emu

Snipe seems more prone to lag than any other skill on any platform. I just learnt to live with it. If I see any sort of clue there's a snipe about to land I dodge and start healing like mad because it's more than likely this isn't just one arrow from one player. It's about 6-8 arrows from this one player who's been standing on top of the keep wondering why am I not dodging while he's just spent about 10-15 seconds spamming the ability. No other skill (except chains I think) is so prone to this silly effect. Unfortunately ZOS refuses to acknowledge the problem, as there is probably no solution to it at all since it's all server side.

Tan9oSuccka

Kalante wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

hmmmm, perhaps that bow player should have come down from that nice cozy high ground, introduced themselves formally - and, then tried to magnum shot you to death...

may have taken a half hour or so, but - much more "honorable" way to play...

So you are fine just getting one shot with no counter play. Do you by any chance do this also? because you seem pretty defensive about it.

I use snipe on a Stam NB. (Usually for keep defense) Depending on the distance and travel time...plus some lag creates this.

I’ve done it to people and thought hmmm. I really didn’t think that would work.

It’s not an exploit though.

Sanctum74

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

It's not lag. There is a specific exploit involving a particular button combination that results in 4 snipes landing within 1 sec. There are players exploiting the same glitch on XBox One. I've reported it (as have many others) but no response from ZOS.

This is a big reason things do not get fixed because people who do not have a basic understanding of the game mechanics blame others for exploiting, cheating, macro slices, and or magical button combinations that do not exist and then others start believing this too.

So instead of the pressure being put on Zos to fix their code/lag issues players just keep blaming each other so nothing ever changes.

This happens with other skills too and even from npc's, so unless your suggesting npc's are cheating too then please just stop and put the blame on Zos where it belongs. Maybe if we stood together as a community we could get some results but blaming each other and spreading misinformation is not helping anyone.