Snipe/Lethal Arrow/Focused Aim

Abysswarrior45

Delete the skill and solo pvp and pvp in general would be 100x better. End rant.

RaddlemanNumber7

I wish all rants were so brief and to the point

AzraelKrieg

Nah keep it. It seems to annoy people like you.

Kram8ion

No
gets the juiciest tears though

Tommy_The_Gun

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Delete the skill and solo pvp and pvp in general would be 100x better. End rant.

Very "constructive" argument I must say 11/10 ! (sarcasm)

phermitgb

wow. 100x better. That's quite the impact for one skill.

while I appreciate a succinct argument, I will admit, I'm curious as to *why* you think that this one particular skill (and it's morphs, I assume) has such a tremendously huge impact on pvp

not disputing your claim, mind you - just not convinced solely by the statement...

ArchMikem

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Delete the skill and solo pvp and pvp in general would be 100x better. End rant.

Delete Cloak and PvP would be 100x better.

Delete Shields and PvP would be 200x better.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Delete people taking PvP in a mmo seriously and PvP with be 300x better.

red_emu

Delete everyone!

Syrusthevirus187

Agreed

Skander

What is the thing about snipe that annoys us?


You can't win in a 1v1 with it

You can't win in a 2v1 with it

You can't certainly win in a 1vx with it


It's useful only when already zerging an opponent leaving no chance for the outnumbered guy to fight back, due to the massive dmg.


Every skill that it's only good in zergs should be deleted.

Bbsample197

i was expecting a wall of text

im a little-disappointed OP

DDuke

Skander wrote: »

What is the thing about snipe that annoys us?


You can't win in a 1v1 with it

You can't win in a 2v1 with it

You can't certainly win in a 1vx with it

Are you sure about that?

https://youtu.be/v1aqg6VJV54


I'm fully aware most don't use it efficiently, but there's no need to generalize.

Maura_Neysa

Skander wrote: »

What is the thing about snipe that annoys us?


You can't win in a 1v1 with it

You can't win in a 2v1 with it

You can't certainly win in a 1vx with it


It's useful only when already zerging an opponent leaving no chance for the outnumbered guy to fight back, due to the massive dmg.


Every skill that it's only good in zergs should be deleted.

This is absolutely not true. At least 1v1,2v1. Now 1vX is hard to get it off uninterupted. I'm definitely not good enough to. Granted if you are a gank build, its kinda true after the initial strike. However if you actually have a well rounded build its still effective. Sub->Lethal->Bombard->Dive all done on an Asylum Bow

AzraelKrieg

red_emu wrote: »

Delete everyone!

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

Just fix the bug where you will get hit with 2-3 at once and die without any counterplay and snipe will be fine (you can dodge it so easily if you can actually hear it)

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

DDuke wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

What is the thing about snipe that annoys us?


You can't win in a 1v1 with it

You can't win in a 2v1 with it

You can't certainly win in a 1vx with it

Are you sure about that?

https://youtu.be/v1aqg6VJV54


I'm fully aware most don't use it efficiently, but there's no need to generalize.

So your big point is that a build with with two bows is good with snipe yes if you build 100% for the bow and only bank then yes it great but that’s not everyone and that level of extreme is not needed to my other weapon skill lines strong.

DosPanchos

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Delete the skill and solo pvp and pvp in general would be 100x better. End rant.

But there is so much counter play to this skill. It's the servers, not the skill.

DDuke

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

What is the thing about snipe that annoys us?


You can't win in a 1v1 with it

You can't win in a 2v1 with it

You can't certainly win in a 1vx with it

Are you sure about that?

https://youtu.be/v1aqg6VJV54


I'm fully aware most don't use it efficiently, but there's no need to generalize.

So your big point is that a build with with two bows is good with snipe yes if you build 100% for the bow and only bank then yes it great but that’s not everyone and that level of extreme is not needed to my other weapon skill lines strong.

Point was to disprove what the poster I responded to claimed:

You can't win in a 1v1 with it

You can't win in a 2v1 with it

You can't certainly win in a 1vx with it

It's useful only when already zerging an opponent leaving no chance for the outnumbered guy to fight back, due to the massive dmg.

That narrative is false. I actually do much better on a bow build in 1vX than with any of my melee builds at the moment.


Last thing I want to see is ZOS buff snipe damage because "it was only used in Xv1 and couldn't win anywhere else".

The only change to that skill I'd like to see is swapping its place with Rapid Fire (bow ultimate) so that it's no longer spammable, but bow still has access to that burst & now has a good spammable that would make it more viable in non-stealth combat.

Abysswarrior45

DosPanchos wrote: »

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Delete the skill and solo pvp and pvp in general would be 100x better. End rant.

But there is so much counter play to this skill. It's the servers, not the skill.

Its definitely the skill. There can be 0 lag and your resources get depleted from 100-0 in the blink of an eye and you're confused until you finally hear the 20 snipes pelt you all at once. Its a buggy skill and when zerglings spec into befoul theres very little you can do against it in a 1vX. On PS4 NA EVERYWHERE you go you hear 6-8 snipes being fired off (when they're able to be heard) and you LOS and then the same *** hits you from a different direction from a different person. Its a skill for ***.

Cage_Lizardman

Skander wrote: »

What is the thing about snipe that annoys us?


You can't win in a 1v1 with it

You can't win in a 2v1 with it

You can't certainly win in a 1vx with it


It's useful only when already zerging an opponent leaving no chance for the outnumbered guy to fight back, due to the massive dmg.


Every skill that it's only good in zergs should be deleted.

Nonsense, it's not that fundamentally different than any other decent ranged ability. I see flame clench spam being more common now, and far more annoying.

Wolfenbelle

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Delete the skill and solo pvp and pvp in general would be 100x better. End rant.

When will PvP types get it through your heads that this game also has a PvE side? Seriously. Stop moaning and groaning because another player beats you in PvP. Stop asking for nerfs and removal of skills because you can't handle another player beating you in a video game. Grow up and get tough. Sheesh!

ak_pvp

DDuke wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

What is the thing about snipe that annoys us?


You can't win in a 1v1 with it

You can't win in a 2v1 with it

You can't certainly win in a 1vx with it

Are you sure about that?

https://youtu.be/v1aqg6VJV54


I'm fully aware most don't use it efficiently, but there's no need to generalize.

Its certainly cool. But its just a series of ganks. Same as those 1 shot proc/onslaught builds would pick a few from an uncoordinated zerg, get 1/2 aggro, disappear and repeat. Its not really proper 1vX, where the X is all on you/looking for you.

DDuke

ak_pvp wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

What is the thing about snipe that annoys us?


You can't win in a 1v1 with it

You can't win in a 2v1 with it

You can't certainly win in a 1vx with it

Are you sure about that?

https://youtu.be/v1aqg6VJV54


I'm fully aware most don't use it efficiently, but there's no need to generalize.

Its certainly cool. But its just a series of ganks. Same as those 1 shot proc/onslaught builds would pick a few from an uncoordinated zerg, get 1/2 aggro, disappear and repeat. Its not really proper 1vX, where the X is all on you/looking for you.

They're looking for me in most of the clips though.

What I'd consider a series of ganks rather than 1vX is killing one target & then running away until your opponents give up & leave and you gank the next passer-by, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion. In the end what matters to me is that they're dead & I'm alive.

Starting 2m36s I do have a clip of what I'd consider a "series of ganks" on the video as well (except without the running away part). You also get to see what happens to a stealth oriented build when it's caught visible & out of position (made me laugh that death when it happened, because I totally deserved it).


It's not that different from how rollerblades play actually, they spam dodge rolls/cloaks around some tree and kill the pug that didn't get bored and leave when Incap+Relentless is up and then repeat.
See, they also depend on separating their targets (a medium armor build just can't take hits from multiple people at the same time) & taking them down one by one.


My build is more ranged/stealth oriented, but doesn't require Incap and Relentless and does far less dodge roll spamming (sustain being extremely limited).


It's more of an actual "rogue" or "assassin" style build than a "brawler", if that makes sense.


I just feel like there's a huge "stigma" when it comes to stealth oriented builds (especially ones utilizing bow) that makes people see them in negative light.

Ankael07

But then how will dragonknights kill archers with their own arrow?

Tan9oSuccka

Archers on a keep wall should be deadly.

I’m not the best PVP person but L2P is snipe is a problem for you.

Jeez, you can hear the whistle a mile away.

BohnT

I don't think snipe is a problem on itself. The problem is that snipe hits for extreme numbers over a huge range of your enemy can't avoid it.
The skill is made to Xv1 people, the cast time makes it hard to use in 1v1 or an competitive Environment while the high damage makes it perfect to kill solo players because they can't avoid all of them and one hit pressures them a lot.

I'd like to see the channel removed and the damage reduced to reduce the pressure one single hit can apply but increase its overall effectiveness with hawk eye passive weaves and instant usage.
Also the range is a bit too high. The Changed Focused aim with it's buff applied should be equal to the current range while lethal arrows should have a shorter range because it already applies major defile

Abysswarrior45

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Delete the skill and solo pvp and pvp in general would be 100x better. End rant.

When will PvP types get it through your heads that this game also has a PvE side? Seriously. Stop moaning and groaning because another player beats you in PvP. Stop asking for nerfs and removal of skills because you can't handle another player beating you in a video game. Grow up and get tough. Sheesh!

You use snipe in PvE? Lul.

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Archers on a keep wall should be deadly.

I’m not the best PVP person but L2P is snipe is a problem for you.

Jeez, you can hear the whistle a mile away.

No you can't hear it. You only hear it when you're dead and its not due to lag.

WakeYourGhost

Street Tacos/22oz Sprite/Churros.

...Wait, this is about what we ate last night, right?

MaxwellC

I hate snipe and all but nah no need to remove the skill but that video was insane lol. How does a non ultimate 1 hit someone even with a stealth bonus lol.
My wrecking blow doesn't even 1 hit someone from stealth just only two hits them.

Domander

You know what happens when you snipe at a 1vx er? dodge, dodge, block, shield, reflect, LOS. Bow is the easiest weapon to counter by far..... snipe especially.