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Do not give up my low DPS friends!
BladeStew
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I've been reading a lot of posts that concern people worried about their DPS. When tackling the problem of low DPS there are so many contributing factors that skew one's DPS. Revising these factors can be a headache inducing experience. I recently found myself in this same situation and could not see the light at the end of the tunnel. Any source I would consult would be chalked full of technical jargon that made my stomach turn and me consider going outside. But "no," I told myself. "I will not go outside; I will not be beaten by this electronic equivalent to an erectile dysfunction. And so I began the journey to raising my DPS.
It started at me maintaining a constant 5-7k. I never thought much of it, never got a complaint in a dungeon, and was not dying irregularly. I was quite content as a Mag Sorc. It wasn't until I wondered into a live stream and noticed the guy was doing 22k DPS. I was amazed, "Wow man! That DPS is crazy." I was confused as to why he got offended and hid his DPS counter. When it hit me, it hit hard. I could not imagine what I was doing wrong. In an effort to become a better player, I faced my fear and began to investigate new concepts. "Back bar? Who would use that?" In hindsight I'm shocked at how oblivious I had been for so long. What I did for so long worked, so I didn't feel a need to fix it.
I emerged from hours of reading forums and attempting to grasp extremely technical videos. I grinded hours away at the dummies, and now I've been working on smooth, adaptive rotations, and the series of minute adjustments to my combat to make it rock solid. I am proud to say that my DPS now hovers around 30k. It is by no means perfect, but that is coming from 5-7k.
All these guys I see worrying about their DPS; DON'T! Your DPS is very malleable. Make your rotation as tight as possible, work on animation cancels, and find what appeals to your play-style. There IS hope. I wish you good adventures.
It started at me maintaining a constant 5-7k. I never thought much of it, never got a complaint in a dungeon, and was not dying irregularly. I was quite content as a Mag Sorc. It wasn't until I wondered into a live stream and noticed the guy was doing 22k DPS. I was amazed, "Wow man! That DPS is crazy." I was confused as to why he got offended and hid his DPS counter. When it hit me, it hit hard. I could not imagine what I was doing wrong. In an effort to become a better player, I faced my fear and began to investigate new concepts. "Back bar? Who would use that?" In hindsight I'm shocked at how oblivious I had been for so long. What I did for so long worked, so I didn't feel a need to fix it.
I emerged from hours of reading forums and attempting to grasp extremely technical videos. I grinded hours away at the dummies, and now I've been working on smooth, adaptive rotations, and the series of minute adjustments to my combat to make it rock solid. I am proud to say that my DPS now hovers around 30k. It is by no means perfect, but that is coming from 5-7k.
All these guys I see worrying about their DPS; DON'T! Your DPS is very malleable. Make your rotation as tight as possible, work on animation cancels, and find what appeals to your play-style. There IS hope. I wish you good adventures.
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mocap✭✭✭✭✭
✭Magsorc. Torugs + Elegance (craft + guild store, no vMA, no trial gear), staff CP, some bufs like sorcery and breach.
Only damn heavy attack alone will deal 10K dps. Then just add Liquid and Blockade and BAM... 20K dps. No animation canceling, no light attacks, no sustain problems. Only two skills and heavy attacks.2 -
CyborgPlatypus✭✭✭I have struggled to hit past 11k on most characters, 17k on my stamwarden. But I built a pet sorc with Liquid lightning, Ele blockade, Daedric prey, volatile familiar and I basically hit 20k. It's an easy rotation, but it's also a fun rotation. All it takes is the right build and something you are comfortable with. My guild accepts 20k for vet trials. So I was incredibly happy with it.
It was weird being so low since I have no trouble healing most content.1 -
The_Protagonist✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've been reading a lot of posts that concern people worried about their DPS. When tackling the problem of low DPS there are so many contributing factors that skew one's DPS. Revising these factors can be a headache inducing experience. I recently found myself in this same situation and could not see the light at the end of the tunnel. Any source I would consult would be chalked full of technical jargon that made my stomach turn and me consider going outside. But "no," I told myself. "I will not go outside; I will not be beaten by this electronic equivalent to an erectile dysfunction. And so I began the journey to raising my DPS.
It started at me maintaining a constant 5-7k. I never thought much of it, never got a complaint in a dungeon, and was not dying irregularly. I was quite content as a Mag Sorc. It wasn't until I wondered into a live stream and noticed the guy was doing 22k DPS. I was amazed, "Wow man! That DPS is crazy." I was confused as to why he got offended and hid his DPS counter. When it hit me, it hit hard. I could not imagine what I was doing wrong. In an effort to become a better player, I faced my fear and began to investigate new concepts. "Back bar? Who would use that?" In hindsight I'm shocked at how oblivious I had been for so long. What I did for so long worked, so I didn't feel a need to fix it.
I emerged from hours of reading forums and attempting to grasp extremely technical videos. I grinded hours away at the dummies, and now I've been working on smooth, adaptive rotations, and the series of minute adjustments to my combat to make it rock solid. I am proud to say that my DPS now hovers around 30k. It is by no means perfect, but that is coming from 5-7k.
All these guys I see worrying about their DPS; DON'T! Your DPS is very malleable. Make your rotation as tight as possible, work on animation cancels, and find what appeals to your play-style. There IS hope. I wish you good adventures.
Really appreciate your positive tone, keep up the good work mate! 0 -
BladeStew✭✭[/quote]
Really appreciate your positive tone, keep up the good work mate![/quote]
Thanks man, I appreciate yours as well. I just hate seeing so many people stressing over it. Reducing headaches never hurt anything. Happy adventuresEdited by BladeStew on March 28, 2018 2:12PM1 -
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✭✭I finally hit 25k
!!! On a magdk with 300 ping. (Julianos, BSW, 1pc Grothdar if you were wondering) Edited by Narvuntien on March 28, 2018 4:29PM2 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'll put in on here as other similar threads. You don't need some numbers or stat from a target dummy that doesn't even fight back or move. Well, many peeps care about the numbers, (it's cool; play your game, whatever) but for me, going on a few years now with this game, and I haven't once touch a target dummy. I don't care what the hell a non-moving, non-fighting back dummy will say my dps is. I beat down other players in PvP just fine and also melt down adds/mobs/bosses in PvE just fine. When you can kill adds/mobs/bosses or other players, you have fine dps. Doesn't matter what the hell numbers/stat you got from a stationary target dummy. If any recall this awesome movie line.. "Brick no hit back!" I love that line. Unfortunately, brick (that is Frank Dukes or Van Damme, if you ever seen the movie, Bloodsport; great iconic martial arts movie, by the way) had beat down good old Bolo dude. Ha ha1 -
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✭I'm terrible at killing the dummy. Think it is because I get bored because it doesn't fight back. I do much better actually fighting something and the numbers show that. That is the problem with console as the only way to measure your damage is with the dummy.0 -
Sordidfairytale✭✭✭✭✭GreenhaloX wrote: »I'll put in on here as other similar threads. You don't need some numbers or stat from a target dummy that doesn't even fight back or move. Well, many peeps care about the numbers, (it's cool; play your game, whatever) but for me, going on a few years now with this game, and I haven't once touch a target dummy. I don't care what the hell a non-moving, non-fighting back dummy will say my dps is. I beat down other players in PvP just fine and also melt down adds/mobs/bosses in PvE just fine. When you can kill adds/mobs/bosses or other players, you have fine dps. Doesn't matter what the hell numbers/stat you got from a stationary target dummy. If any recall this awesome movie line.. "Brick no hit back!" I love that line. Unfortunately, brick (that is Frank Dukes or Van Damme, if you ever seen the movie, Bloodsport; great iconic martial arts movie, by the way) had beat down good old Bolo dude. Ha ha
Excellent post from the OP and I agree that many people put too much value in a dummy parse, and end up stacking their bar for a dummy parse. When everyone knows that they're not going to have those abilities on their bar when they walk in the dungeon.
However target dummies do provide an excellent tool to examine skills or mechanics, they can also be very useful when another player is helping you to understand your skills and how to use them together. Although duels can be even more beneficial for that at times, since movement in combat is something you don't get to experience with a target dummy.The Vegemite Knight1 -
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@RunefangWith Aussie ping and after lots of practice:
It's definitely doable.
Nice parse, I have recently been trying to break 40k on a 6 mil in full trial gear. Been so close, but every time I nail the rotation, my crit chance seems to be on lunch break or something. haha
12 bow procs on a 3 mil means your weave and merciless resolve are on point. Anything over about 65 light attacks is the gold standard for a weave.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on March 28, 2018 4:02PM1 -
QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭da krunk? I can get like 8k or so out of some single hit skills without even trying...
how does one come in at sub 5-7k DPS? My healer does more than that... while healing.3 -
Vermintide✭✭✭✭One thing alone holds back my DPS- The buggy swallow soul weave.
Also I can't be bothered to grind for trial sets. Or the unique weapons. Also I don't like monster sets.
Hitting 25K with a plain old Julianos + Spinners gear set up, about 200 CP below cap... I think I'm doing OK.0 -
BladeStew✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »da krunk? I can get like 8k or so out of some single hit skills without even trying...
how does one come in at sub 5-7k DPS? My healer does more than that... while healing.
Hardcasting and focus on buffs rather than actual combat.Edited by BladeStew on March 28, 2018 6:08PM0 -
MilwaukeeScott✭✭✭✭✭PS4NA
All I see is hate and rage from people who don't understand how to.....1 -
Jarryzzt✭✭✭✭Wait.
So the OP posts a sort of a "never gonna give you up"...err, I mean, "don't lose hope" and all that directed at people still struggling with their DPS totals...and the very first response is "LOOK AT ME I CAN PULL 40K ON A DUMMY!!!".
Classy.
On topic. One point I would add to the OP's argument - taking it sideways, as it were - is that there is a world of difference between "dummy DPS" and "live DPS". Because a) sometimes bosses do not stand still (which is one reason why Illadris/Stormfist are only ever BiS vs. a dummy); b) sometimes bosses actually attack back with AoEs, mechanics, et cetera forcing people to dodge, kill adds, push buttons or what have you; c) buffs and debuffs matter, because not everyone can solo-self-buff Major/Minor Berserk, Major Fracture and so on and so on; and d) vs. a dummy you never have to worry about self-heals, shields, restarting rotations halfway through, et cetera.
Really, the way I like to test DPS is run vet dungeons. Which also forces you to tighten up your rotation to account for things like breaking and restarting midway, keeping enough resources back for dodges/shields/burst heals, et cetera. And yes, as a consequence I end up pulling lower numbers "live" vs. a dummy, but I am a lot more certain of what the build is and is not capable of in the end.QuebraRegra wrote: »da krunk? I can get like 8k or so out of some single hit skills without even trying...
how does one come in at sub 5-7k DPS? My healer does more than that... while healing.
While leveling to 50 with purple-ish non-set gear, 5k is about the standard dungeon DPS I get irrespective of the class. And that's with some semblance of a rotation.
At 50 with low-mid CPs, non-optimised gear (blues and purples at that) and a poor rotation I can totally see the 5k-10k range being the norm. Again, live DPS, not dummy DPS. In fact, in my experience vs. a bad enough boss on vet with a non-optimized group even a well-geared character with a good rotation might struggle to get 10k (especially if a lot of dying or rezzing is involved).3 -
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✭✭GreenhaloX wrote: »I'll put in on here as other similar threads. You don't need some numbers or stat from a target dummy that doesn't even fight back or move. Well, many peeps care about the numbers, (it's cool; play your game, whatever) but for me, going on a few years now with this game, and I haven't once touch a target dummy. I don't care what the hell a non-moving, non-fighting back dummy will say my dps is. I beat down other players in PvP just fine and also melt down adds/mobs/bosses in PvE just fine. When you can kill adds/mobs/bosses or other players, you have fine dps. Doesn't matter what the hell numbers/stat you got from a stationary target dummy. If any recall this awesome movie line.. "Brick no hit back!" I love that line. Unfortunately, brick (that is Frank Dukes or Van Damme, if you ever seen the movie, Bloodsport; great iconic martial arts movie, by the way) had beat down good old Bolo dude. Ha ha
While I get your point but melting bosses "just fine" only takes you so far. If you can't hit 35k dps on a stationary target you sure won't do it in a trial.0 -
ZOS_HoldenCommunity RepHey there, @BladeStew,
We love the rags to riches vibe of your DPS journey, so positive and full of motivation! Thank you so much for sharing!
We'd also like to thank the rest of you for chiming in and offering your own stories and support for anyone who may be experiencing some DPS woes of their own, you're all amazing!4 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wait.
So the OP posts a sort of a "never gonna give you up"...err, I mean, "don't lose hope" and all that directed at people still struggling with their DPS totals...and the very first response is "LOOK AT ME I CAN PULL 40K ON A DUMMY!!!".
Classy.
@Jarryzzt Well I've had plenty of posts in the past where I've talked about struggling to achieve high dps (35k+). That parse was so awesome to achieve for me, so I was just going with the theme of the OP.
It took me about 6 weeks of practice to get there and its certainly not easy with 300 ping to get that high. So if I can do it then anybody can.2 -
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✭I just hit 31K dps today for the first time. While I only hit it once I'm still thrilled.
CP390 and when I first hit cp160 was doing 5K dps and struggling.
I agree with the OP..practice, practice and more practice. I can do 22-25K dps consistently now.
Switch up your skills and see if you do better.
I'm only wearing crafted/overland gear and only my bow is golded right now.1 -
BladeStew✭✭ZOS_Holden wrote: »Hey there, @BladeStew,
We love the rags to riches vibe of your DPS journey, so positive and full of motivation! Thank you so much for sharing!
We'd also like to thank the rest of you for chiming in and offering your own stories and support for anyone who may be experiencing some DPS woes of their own, you're all amazing!
Thank you ZOS. I appreciate the community support. It's vital to a game's existence. I hope the placement was in the correct category, as I struggled with the decision of combat or general discussion. In the end I chose combat/mechanics because I thought more people searching for low DPS advice would find it. Happy adventures scouring the forums.2 -
BladeStew✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »I just hit 31K dps today for the first time. While I only hit it once I'm still thrilled.
CP390 and when I first hit cp160 was doing 5K dps and struggling.
I agree with the OP..practice, practice and more practice. I can do 22-25K dps consistently now.
Switch up your skills and see if you do better.
I'm only wearing crafted/overland gear and only my bow is golded right now.
Congrats man. Practice and a decimation of your comfort zone works wonders does it not?0 -
Jarryzzt✭✭✭✭Wait.
So the OP posts a sort of a "never gonna give you up"...err, I mean, "don't lose hope" and all that directed at people still struggling with their DPS totals...and the very first response is "LOOK AT ME I CAN PULL 40K ON A DUMMY!!!".
Classy.
@Jarryzzt Well I've had plenty of posts in the past where I've talked about struggling to achieve high dps (35k+). That parse was so awesome to achieve for me, so I was just going with the theme of the OP.
It took me about 6 weeks of practice to get there and its certainly not easy with 300 ping to get that high. So if I can do it then anybody can.
That's all fine. And, in fact, had you posted exactly these words I would have said nothing at all on the matter. However your original post in this thread said none of this. You simply posted a parse screen with 40k DPS and a one-liner - I quote - "it's definitely doable".
Without any additional context, "un-classy" is a very mild way of describing what that one-liner response looked like, at least to me, and I stand by my original reaction. Expecting anyone to try and infer context from something you might have previously posted somewhere else on the boards is...misguided at the very least.
Parenthetically, it is interesting to compare the DPS discussions in this game with those in other MMORPGs out there. Because, for example, some of them are extremely different - for instance no attack weaving, no bar swapping, long enforced CDs or GCDs, complex sustain (hello, EVE!)...so getting top DPS there is a lot more gear/setup/sustain oriented than establishing or practicing a rotation.
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jnelson1182✭✭What do you guys think when it comes to running a full 5 piece set for the bonus the 5th gives you or mixing up the sets to get more max mag but getting a few different bonuses from a few different sets all mixed together, when I do my build this way I end up with something like 4 from one set, another 3-4 from a different set and the 1-3 from another just depending, I notice I do end up with more maxima this way just no bounds? also what about monster sets and only running one piece? since I got my first 2 piece set I have always tan them as a pair for the free attacks that may prod from wearing them.* Maccb- Level 50 DragonKnight- Fire mage type build/ BSW body, Valkyn Skoria mister set, & Willpower Jewelry/Random Flame/Lightning/Reston STAFF's
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Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭jnelson1182 wrote: »What do you guys think when it comes to running a full 5 piece set for the bonus the 5th gives you or mixing up the sets to get more max mag but getting a few different bonuses from a few different sets all mixed together, when I do my build this way I end up with something like 4 from one set, another 3-4 from a different set and the 1-3 from another just depending, I notice I do end up with more maxima this way just no bounds? also what about monster sets and only running one piece? since I got my first 2 piece set I have always tan them as a pair for the free attacks that may prod from wearing them.
There are two main set ups:
1. Two five piece setups and either a monster helm or special weapon (vma/AS etc)
2. Monster set, 4 piece trial set (front bar weapon) and 5 piece
5 piece set bonuses are too good to run without.
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