Raz's new costume

Highlor3

Like Naryu's, it will probably be available to purchase on the Crown Store, but I hope we get one that resembles more the one on right than the left one.

FerrumnCutem

In the magical CGI world it's a perfect copy.

VaranisArano

Can I confess that I liked the old costume better? (It'd need better resolution but ALL the early motifs need better resolution.)

sudaki_eso

Looks about the same, the one on the right has just a better texture and shader quality and of course its a rendering with lots of post production its not an in game screen.

Cpt_Teemo

sudaki_eso wrote: »

Looks about the same, the one on the right has just a better texture and shader quality and of course its a rendering with lots of post production its not an in game screen.

Also the right one reminds me of Elex for some reason lol

Carbonised

I like the thrown back hood of the one to the right. Something that has been missing in ESO up until now.

Even though we can barely see it on that picture, it does look rather nice. Both the fabric and the leather.

If you compare the older models and costumes in the game to the newer ones, it's easy to see the vast improvement.

Highlor3

Let me point out my concerns (constructive criticism):
Image 1

On the right image, you can see the end of the glove, that resembles the one on the boots.
I know they are rendered in different engines, that the one in the right is a more detailed model used for CGI.
But stay with me one more bit.
The glove's end in the left one has a more strait look, its more like a texture than a modeled (meshes) glove. Look this zoomed part captured from the same video, where the sword pommel doesn't get in the way as much as the first capture.
Image 2

Practically a strait line.
Another concern is that the boots might have gotten the same treatment, as the retracted hood (Image 1), in the 3D meshes department.
We already have costumes that have nice meshes, e.g.:
Image 3

Another thing that bothered me was the leather gloss (shader?), or the lack of it on the left in-game costume, as seen in Image 1. Here's an exemple of a good leather gloss:
Image 4

This one looks like as glossy as the leather parts in the right most costume in Image 1 (read this phrase again with Raz's accent).

I hope I could illustrate better my concerns (meshes & shaders, right?)

SydneyGrey

I like his new costume. The old one had ridiculous shoulders.

CardboardedBox

Highlor3 wrote: »

Let me point out my concerns (constructive criticism):
Image 1

On the right image, you can see the end of the glove, that resembles the one on the boots.
I know they are rendered in different engines, that the one in the right is a more detailed model used for CGI.
But stay with me one more bit.
The glove's end in the left one has a more strait look, its more like a texture than a modeled (meshes) glove. Look this zoomed part captured from the same video, where the sword pommel doesn't get in the way as much as the first capture.
Image 2

Practically a strait line.
Another concern is that the boots might have gotten the same treatment, as the retracted hood (Image 1), in the 3D meshes department.
We already have costumes that have nice meshes, e.g.:
Image 3

Another thing that bothered me was the leather gloss (shader?), or the lack of it on the left in-game costume, as seen in Image 1. Here's an exemple of a good leather gloss:
Image 4

This one looks like as glossy as the leather parts in the right most costume in Image 1 (read this phrase again with Raz's accent).

I hope I could illustrate better my concerns (meshes & shaders, right?)

I think I know what you're trying to say about that straight line stuff. My friends and I always referred to it as "painted on", as the armor looks like it was painted on your characters skin, and has no thickness of its own.

Recremen

VaranisArano wrote: »

Can I confess that I liked the old costume better? (It'd need better resolution but ALL the early motifs need better resolution.)

It's the high collar that does it for me. If they unflatten the hood on his new setup so his neckline has a more robust silhouette like in the fancy art then I think we'll be in business, yes?

dovakiin5574

Naryu got a new costume with Morrowind, why can't old Raz get a new costume with Summerset?

#MakeRazum-DarGreatAgain

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

I personally like his new armor better. But, something is wrong with his face. He seems to have lost that special something that comes from over-confidence. I miss that...

Goshua

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

I personally like his new armor better. But, something is wrong with his face. He seems to have lost that special something that comes from over-confidence. I miss that...

He also looks a lot younger ..

That one is less experienced

Yolokin_Swagonborn

I'll just leave this here.

Aliyavana

I like his new armor better, looks more agent like and light weight, the other one was heavy looking. Personally Id prefer the brown colors to look gold for the dominion type colors

Highlor3

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

Naryu got a new costume with Morrowind, why can't old Raz get a new costume with Summerset?

#MakeRazum-DarGreatAgain

I agree with you, the thread isn't criticizing that he has a new costume, but the discrepancies between his promotional art attire and the in-game costume.

The one in the promotional art strikes me as a rogue-like secret agent, way more than the one in the base game. The new in-game costume looks like a fancy robe, something like the Falkreath Thane costume. It's like it lost it's "badassness" when it was transposed to the game.

Highlor3

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I'll just leave this here.

I was just thinking about this one while writing my last response to dovakiin5574.

Is the whole Beton Hero costume problem all over again.

Ilsabet

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I like his new costume. The old one had ridiculous shoulders.

They are absolutely ridiculous, but I find them kind of endearing.

Looking at the in-game shot, his outfit strikes me as something casual that a roguish secret agent sort might wear to blend in amongst, say, the roughnecks at the docks. I take the promotional version as a more artistic rendition that's a bit shinier and softer about the edges but looks like a painting compared to the "real" version you see on actual Raz. ("Real" as in the reality of character rendering that we've all become accustomed to in the game.)

I think they're both cool. I might even wear it if it didn't inevitably cost a whole bunch of money.

Highlor3

For me, if the new costume comes out as it is, and costs like... 1K crowns, ok. But if it's like Naryu's, a limited time thing costing 2K crowns, that's a no-no for me.

Jhalin

Eh, I like the in-game version quite a bit more than the trailer image, but that may just be because his face is all... well

Highlor3

Tyrobag

Highlor3 wrote: »

In that picture it seriously reminds me of clothing from the Shivering Isles...

Rohamad_Ali

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I'll just leave this here.

ArchMikem

I don't like either. I just can't stand the Beast Races wearing too Human clothing. Khajiit and Argonians are physiologically different enough from Men and Mer that their clothing and armor should show for it, so when I saw Raz's head sticking out of an otherwise very Human looking pair of coat and boots, just doesn't sit right.

Aliyavana

ArchMikem wrote: »

I don't like either. I just can't stand the Beast Races wearing too Human clothing. Khajiit and Argonians are physiologically different enough from Men and Mer that their clothing and armor should show for it, so when I saw Raz's head sticking out of an otherwise very Human looking pair of coat and boots, just doesn't sit right.

raz is an agent of the queen, not an agent of elsweyr, it makes sense he is wearing more regal scout type clothing

ArchMikem

aliyavana wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I don't like either. I just can't stand the Beast Races wearing too Human clothing. Khajiit and Argonians are physiologically different enough from Men and Mer that their clothing and armor should show for it, so when I saw Raz's head sticking out of an otherwise very Human looking pair of coat and boots, just doesn't sit right.

raz is an agent of the queen, not an agent of elsweyr, it makes sense he is wearing more regal scout type clothing

My point can still stand. The Eagle Banner can still fly it's colors even if it's form is different. And I would assume Raz would be in such a high position near the Queen that he'd have specially designed leathers made for his "exotic" physique.

Highlor3

ArchMikem wrote: »

I don't like either. I just can't stand the Beast Races wearing too Human clothing. Khajiit and Argonians are physiologically different enough from Men and Mer that their clothing and armor should show for it, so when I saw Raz's head sticking out of an otherwise very Human looking pair of coat and boots, just doesn't sit right.

I remember that in TES3 Morrowind beast races couldn't use helmets and boots, due to their physical diferences to men and mer. In ESO some helmets have different appearance if equipped by one of the beast folk. Boots don't have that same treatment because the khajiit and argornian feet are portrayed as humanoids, like in Oblivion and Skyrim.

Highlor3

Last Friday Devs showcased Summerset at PAX East, their character was using Raz's new costume (at 2:01:23 of the video):
https://youtu.be/HuDrrJLPm0A?t=7283

EDIT: I hope it dyes well. They will probably sell as a pack (as they did with Naryu's), containing a hood.

Violynne

My first reaction when seeing the new outfit: Even Razum-dar knows how ridiculous overly large arm cops are.

Vanthras79

Highlor3 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I'll just leave this here.

I was just thinking about this one while writing my last response to dovakiin5574.

Is the whole Beton Hero costume problem all over again.

#bloatedcostume

Vanthras79

Love Raz by the way. Simply adore him.